Wow! Saddam trial getting off to a good start.

hazatude · Post by **hazatude** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 3:04 am

Seems the guy might be a bit of a nutjob. Whooda thunk?

desksgo · Post by **desksgo** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 7:25 am

Forget him, I can't sleep well at night knowing Castro is still out there.

TopperHarley · Post by **TopperHarley** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 5:14 pm

desksgo wrote:Forget him, I can't sleep well at night knowing Castro is still out there.

Don't worry about it too much- he's probably 2nd in line to Kim Jong Yil.

Cool Rythms! · Post by **Cool Rythms!** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 8:42 pm

For all his crimes against humanity, I hope they roast his ass over an open fire on a rotating scewer with an apple in his mouth.

swede · Post by **swede** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:30 pm

Yeah, the whack job on the left shaking hands with ol Saddam should be jailed for his crimes against humanity as well!! Takes a whack job to know one, and ingratiate himself, I spose.

PS - It's none other than good ole rummy, in case anyone is wondering...

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:09 pm

LOL

One of the co-defendant's lawyers was kidnapped, think the alqeada's got it backwards...

They're supposed to kidnap the prosecutors....

L382Medman · Post by **L382Medman** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 6:14 am

they just found the lawyer dead today, Sadam now looking for a new lawyer, their must be a huge line up for the job after this

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 6:46 am

Wish they would do it for some of our trial(defence) lawyers....

LH · Post by LH » Fri Oct 21, 2005 12:39 pm

Swede -------I'm no particular fan of Rumsfeld, but comparing the misdeeds of both men is idiotic.........or are you aware of any mass graves around the US with an estimated 300,000 US citizens that were tortured and murdered by Rumfeld?.....and there still digging up the graves in Iraq. God man, if you don't like Rumsfeld, Bush or Americans, that's your your Right and "have 'ater", but don't join the "idiot fringe" on the subject.

Driving Rain · Post by **Driving Rain** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 4:42 pm

LH wrote:Swede -------I'm no particular fan of Rumsfeld, but comparing the misdeeds of both men is idiotic.........or are you aware of any mass graves around the US with an estimated 300,000 US citizens that were tortured and murdered by Rumfeld?.....and there still digging up the graves in Iraq. God man, if you don't like Rumsfeld, Bush or Americans, that's your your Right and "have 'ater", but don't join the "idiot fringe" on the subject.

True LH, but Rummy facilitated the US arms shipments to Sadam and then sold him the maps to better target those guns. Under most western laws that would be enough to have him stand as a co-defendant. Only Sadam didn't kill his people with those guns (well maybe a few) he killed Iranians, and we all know they don't count in the USA's way of thinking.

SplitS · Post by **SplitS** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 6:49 pm

How many Iraqis are dead thanks to Rumsfeld pushing the war??? Gotta get Haliburton its piece of pie....

swede · Post by **swede** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 9:17 pm

Conservative estimates put that number at over 100,000 dead, non combatants. No wmd's have been found in Iraq nor was there any tie between Hussein and Al Quaida - I would like to hear Rumsfelds rationale for these deaths and the occupation?

hazatude · Post by **hazatude** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:43 pm

Swede...please go and try to talk sense to the Muslims. They will love you I''m sure...

. . · Post by **. .** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 11:09 pm

wow not a broad generalization there or anything eh hazatude? So now all muslims can't be reasoned with? Perhaps those unreasonable jews next, or is it blacks then jews?

Get a grip dude.

LH · Post by LH » Fri Oct 21, 2005 11:53 pm

Driving Rain -------if that's the guidelines that you are using, then my father and a whole mess of other people should also have been tried for war crimes as late as the 1970's. See, he helped fly a/c into Siberia, by way of Canada and Alasks, out of Helena, MT for the RCAF because they were being sent to help and support a valuable ally in a fight against a "monster". He and a long list of important folks helped support a man and his government and that man was responsible for many more murders and crimes than Hitler himself.......Joseph Stalin. Many lives were also lost crossing the Atlantic to Murmansk with supplies for this man and many of those people were Canadian. Scant years later he was our mortal enemy and a few years later we were helping to build the DEW line to protect us against his military. So we spent and contributed many lives and millions to support this mass murderer and years later we spent millions defending ourselves against him.

Eons later, they are our friends again and when their Ruble is floundering, they ask the US for a loan and receive $52B USD to prop up their currency and their economy. It took me many years to understand why my father continually shook his head over all this.

To the person that brought up the name Haliburton again, be advised that half of their work in Iraq is being done under contract by Canadian companies. The list is extremely long and Haliburton could not do that work because........and you're just going to love this.........THEY NEED our expertise. Without it, they are "screwed, blued and tattooed" and can't honour much of their work worldwide. Safety Boss, Red Deer, AB are the oilfield firefighting people they turn to because they are the BEST in the world. The vast majority of any trailers that they have to live in or call an office are supplied by ATTCO Trailers, Calgary, AB. As stated already, there are host of other Canadians and Canadian companies on that list......oh and by the way......NONE of them are American controlled or owned and they don't have to do "diddley" for Haliburton unless they want to. They want their services, then they pay Major League American dollars to get those services or are told to stick it where the sun doesn't shine.

Driving Rain · Post by **Driving Rain** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 7:10 am

LH. I had 2 uncles that were pilots in the Ferry Command too, I don't buy your comparison. The difference here is we'd declared war on Germany and Russia was allied against Germany. When did the US declare war IRAN? I must have missed it. Saddam waged a war of aggression on Iran and the world did nothing. When he tried the same thing in Kuwait we all moved.
The war in Iraq was never about removing Saddam although that had to be part of the plan. It's just a side show I'm afraid.
http://www.straight.com/content.cfm?id=7010

I enjoyed The Paul William Roberts book So would you. He's a Canadian and has just won Kidd prize for bravery in journalism.

LH · Post by LH » Sat Oct 22, 2005 11:44 pm

Driving Rain ---- firstly, I don't agree with America's actions in Iraq. Secondly, I don't agree with them standing by nor the world standing by doing nothing about the attack on Iran by Iraq. Thirdly, unless you forget tyhe Iran Hostage Affair, then you know that America wasn't going to help defend them, but would help to defend a friendly Kuwait.

Last of all, you missed my whole point. The reasons for "crawling into bed" with a mass murderer are many. Perhaps a war has been declared or perhaps it hasn't, perhaps it also makes sense at that moment in time, BUT that doesn't negate the fact that you are in that bed with a mass murderer. You can validate it by saying that a war has been declared, but that doesn't change what he is, bring back the people that he murdered or decide to call him "a mass murderer that is friendly to us" and has the same goals in mind that we do.....therefore it's okay. It was no more right for us to support a Russian mass murderer than it was for us to support an Iraqi mass murderer.......and "oh yes", Canada also supported Saddam Hussein to the tune of $50M CDN in aide before Desert Storm 1 and we supported him again during the UN Arms Embargo with helicopter parts shipped out of Ft. Erie, Ontario and broke UN rules in that regard, along with a host of other nations such as France and Germany.

Whatever you do, do not take the above as any validation for the US being in Iraq. We had Saddam "on his knees" during Desert Storm 1 and the UN and the US "choked". Well sorry folks, but you had your chance, so sit down and shut the hell up. At least you had one crack at it and that's more than you did in Rwanda while 800,000 people were being murdered.