More WJ layoffs

[gswartz]

Just when I was starting to feel a little optimism about returning to work this year...FML...What's that name of that truck driving school again?

https://www.thestar.com/business/2021/0 ... egime.html

[gswartz]

Radio check? ....pretty quiet lately on the WJ section.
Wonder if it has to do with WJ firing anyone that posts online? Are guys afraid of posting or is it really that dead out there for stuff to talk about?

[Air.Field]

This is the AvAirCanada forums isn't it?

[FL030]

Speaking of which, you got to wonder if Air Canada isn't thinking about picking up West Jet too while their at it.

[Yycjetdriver]

Speaking of which, you got to wonder if Air Canada isn't thinking about picking up West Jet too while their at it.

Ummmm no.... WestJet’s owner has faired fairly well during this pandemic, so doubtful they would want to take a haircut this early into their ownership. Schwartz has been trying for a long time to buy an major airline and also has had many open disputes worth Air Canada upper management, he probably will eventually sell Westjet in pieces it just won’t be to air canada. There’s a better chance of Onex buying Air Canada than the other way around.

[neophyte]

Speaking of which, you got to wonder if Air Canada isn't thinking about picking up West Jet too while their at it.

AC couldn’t afford us LOL. You think Onex will let WJ go for pennies on the dollar?

[Freeport_Flyer]

I'm betting on layoffs or major concessions at the end of the current MOA. The 1000 non-pilot layoffs / pay cuts is an overture of what's to come.

"Hold on to your butts"

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[pacman007]

Well I’m thinking no more pilot layoffs. Vaccines will be fully rolled out by sept so how can you lay off a pilot in April and rehire some in sept? Especially with the PTA? The pilot won’t even be done line Indoc by the time recalls happen. Just my opinion.

[palebird]

What is quite interesting is that somebody here thinks the business is going back to "normal" once we are all vaccinated..or not. Do you pay any attention to the economics that are transpiring all around you? Not going back to "normal".

[AngelsSang]

What is quite interesting is that somebody here thinks the business is going back to "normal" once we are all vaccinated..or not. Do you pay any attention to the economics that are transpiring all around you? Not going back to "normal".

This is very true.

We are also heading quickly toward communism, thank Trudeau for that. So what we once knew to be our 'normal' will never happen again, or at best in 30 years from now people are tired of communism, start a civil war, and we fight for our freedom. Why do you think government wants all of your guns, and forces main stream media to lie constantly. Anyone who thinks the airline industry will ever get back to where it was, is going to be very disappointed.

[ahramin]

What is quite interesting is that somebody here thinks the business is going back to "normal" once we are all vaccinated..or not. Do you pay any attention to the economics that are transpiring all around you? Not going back to "normal".

This is very true.

We are also heading quickly toward communism, thank Trudeau for that. So what we once knew to be our 'normal' will never happen again, or at best in 30 years from now people are tired of communism, start a civil war, and we fight for our freedom. Why do you think government wants all of your guns, and forces main stream media to lie constantly. Anyone who thinks the airline industry will ever get back to where it was, is going to be very disappointed.

Oh NOOOOOOOO. Not the awful communism! ANYTHING BUT THAT. What should we do? Obviously democracy isn't working if it means a small minority of conspiracy theorists can't use their guns to prevent the scary communism. It's not like you could go vote and then accept the results until the next elections. No way!

[BTD]

What is quite interesting is that somebody here thinks the business is going back to "normal" once we are all vaccinated..or not. Do you pay any attention to the economics that are transpiring all around you? Not going back to "normal".

I don’t know about “normal”. But once this is behind us it will certainly be sustainable.

There are large segments of the population who have more “cash” on hand now then usual. Significant numbers of people (government employees, among others) have been getting full pay while being limited on their spending. Many of those will be looking to spend money on travel. Many of those that don’t make large incomes have actually come out ahead or even in cash flow, with CERB.

Right now there is an artificial lid being held on the economy and spending isn’t happening. No doubt it is hurting many companies and businesses, but once the lid is removed the money will begin to change hands again. It may take some time, but it will get there.

As for business travel, I’d suggest that it will return in due time to near “normal” levels. Anyone who thinks all business travel is boardroom meetings, isn’t using their imagination. There are thousands of jobs that require an individual to actually be in a specific place. Think, oil sand workers, actors, on-site experts, and thousands more that I haven’t mentioned and don’t even know about.

As for the “traditional” business travel, it will come back. Think of the company competing for a contract that actually sends someone out to the client/contractor vs a zoom meeting call. On average who is more likely to get that contract all other things being equal. It’s the company that does a face to face meeting. Businesses are going to want that competitive advantage.

It’s the same reason new pilots often do the road trip with a resume in hand. Mailed resumes and phone calls just don’t cut it most of the time.

[telex]

Oh NOOOOOOOO. Not the awful communism! ANYTHING BUT THAT. What should we do? Obviously democracy isn't working if it means a small minority of conspiracy theorists can't use their guns to prevent the scary communism. It's not like you could go vote and then accept the results until the next elections. No way!

Do you have avcommie.ca ready to roll out?

[Thumper45]

Oh NOOOOOOOO. Not the awful communism! ANYTHING BUT THAT. What should we do? Obviously democracy isn't working if it means a small minority of conspiracy theorists can't use their guns to prevent the scary communism. It's not like you could go vote and then accept the results until the next elections. No way!

D you have avcommie.ca ready to roll out?

LMAO.
However its only funny till its not and you have a cop standing out front of your house because you were out pas curfew......think it wont happen? Go take a look at Quebec right now.

As for returning to normal, it will NEVER be how it was before. There is 0% chance of that.
Will things move more back towards what they where? Sure. But the number of businesses that have found that they can operate from home or remote offices. Conduct meetings via Zoom/Skype has shot through the roof.
These same companies are now seeing that they are able to cut overhead by not having to have an office space or a much smaller one.

My wife works for a very large insurance company and 2020 was there biggest year, BY FAR, and they were all working from home. They have already said they will never return back to how it was before. There are thousands of other businesses that have switched to this same idea because at the end it saves them money, time and space.

So yes, there will be business travel returning, but it will never be to the levels it was at. Same with regular commercial travel. Not for a long long while will it.

[Schooner69A]

Canada slide into communism because of lockdowns and a few restrictions?

Sweet Jesus. Good thing you weren't around during WW I and WW II. You'd have blown a gasket.

[BTD]

Oh NOOOOOOOO. Not the awful communism! ANYTHING BUT THAT. What should we do? Obviously democracy isn't working if it means a small minority of conspiracy theorists can't use their guns to prevent the scary communism. It's not like you could go vote and then accept the results until the next elections. No way!

D you have avcommie.ca ready to roll out?

LMAO.
However its only funny till its not and you have a cop standing out front of your house because you were out pas curfew......think it wont happen? Go take a look at Quebec right now.

As for returning to normal, it will NEVER be how it was before. There is 0% chance of that.
Will things move more back towards what they where? Sure. But the number of businesses that have found that they can operate from home or remote offices. Conduct meetings via Zoom/Skype has shot through the roof.
These same companies are now seeing that they are able to cut overhead by not having to have an office space or a much smaller one.

My wife works for a very large insurance company and 2020 was there biggest year, BY FAR, and they were all working from home. They have already said they will never return back to how it was before. There are thousands of other businesses that have switched to this same idea because at the end it saves them money, time and space.

So yes, there will be business travel returning, but it will never be to the levels it was at. Same with regular commercial travel. Not for a long long while will it.

I would agree that business won’t be the same. But business travel will get close over time I think. That is different then talking about an office that has tonnes of overhead and requires significant capital investment.

If we are sharing anecdotes, my brother runs an engineering firm and they have projects all around North America that are waiting for installs because they need someone on site with the technical expertise. And for getting new customers and dealing with clients a zoom call may not cut it, when the other guy is willing to show up and go over the project in person.

Much smaller scale, but who is the average person going to hire to landscape their property. The guy that comes out looks at the property, has discussions, give tips and expert advice that can be shared onsite with the property owner. Or the guy who takes some photos over email, a shot from google earth and shares his plans over zoom. This type of thing is so much of what business travel is.

[Hot Wings]

What is quite interesting is that somebody here thinks the business is going back to "normal" once we are all vaccinated..or not. Do you pay any attention to the economics that are transpiring all around you? Not going back to "normal".

This is very true.

We are also heading quickly toward communism, thank Trudeau for that. So what we once knew to be our 'normal' will never happen again, or at best in 30 years from now people are tired of communism, start a civil war, and we fight for our freedom. Why do you think government wants all of your guns, and forces main stream media to lie constantly. Anyone who thinks the airline industry will ever get back to where it was, is going to be very disappointed.

[AngelsSang]

I hope all the doubters remember this thread, and come back to it in 5 years. When you do, share your updated thoughts with us then.

[Launchpad1]

My wife works for a very large insurance company and 2020 was there biggest year, BY FAR, and they were all working from home. They have already said they will never return back to how it was before. There are thousands of other businesses that have switched to this same idea because at the end it saves them money, time and space.

You can see this in the increase in house prices on the east coast. The prices are going up because of all the big city people now figuring they can work from home and get more for their money over here. Soon prices will be $10,000,000 for a used trailer

[EPR]

Too bad Trudeau dropped the ball..again...and didn't order enough vaccine for our Country! (of course you will never hear this from our mainstream media) This happened because he was counting on Chynnnaaa to come through for us, and they didn't! Now we are last in line for approved vaccines! To date, less than 1% of Canadians have been vaccinated! People have since died due to his incompetence!

[stabilizer]

Well I’m thinking no more pilot layoffs. Vaccines will be fully rolled out by sept so how can you lay off a pilot in April and rehire some in sept? Especially with the PTA? The pilot won’t even be done line Indoc by the time recalls happen. Just my opinion.

I agree. I'm not worried about further pilot layoffs at this point.

I am however, worried about the susceptibility of a portion of our pilot group, to management's fear mongering. Expect the onslaught very soon.

No concessions.

[Hot Wings]

Too bad Trudeau dropped the ball..again...and didn't order enough vaccine for our Country! (of course you will never hear this from our mainstream media) This happened because he was counting on Chynnnaaa to come through for us, and they didn't! Now we are last in line for approved vaccines! To date, less than 1% of Canadians have been vaccinated! People have since died due to his incompetence!

Huh? At 400 million ordered doses, we have one of the largest per capita vaccine procurements of any country in the world...

[Zaibatsu]

What is quite interesting is that somebody here thinks the business is going back to "normal" once we are all vaccinated..or not. Do you pay any attention to the economics that are transpiring all around you? Not going back to "normal".

I don’t know about “normal”. But once this is behind us it will certainly be sustainable.

There are large segments of the population who have more “cash” on hand now then usual. Significant numbers of people (government employees, among others) have been getting full pay while being limited on their spending. Many of those will be looking to spend money on travel. Many of those that don’t make large incomes have actually come out ahead or even in cash flow, with CERB.

Right now there is an artificial lid being held on the economy and spending isn’t happening. No doubt it is hurting many companies and businesses, but once the lid is removed the money will begin to change hands again. It may take some time, but it will get there.

As for business travel, I’d suggest that it will return in due time to near “normal” levels. Anyone who thinks all business travel is boardroom meetings, isn’t using their imagination. There are thousands of jobs that require an individual to actually be in a specific place. Think, oil sand workers, actors, on-site experts, and thousands more that I haven’t mentioned and don’t even know about.

As for the “traditional” business travel, it will come back. Think of the company competing for a contract that actually sends someone out to the client/contractor vs a zoom meeting call. On average who is more likely to get that contract all other things being equal. It’s the company that does a face to face meeting. Businesses are going to want that competitive advantage.

It’s the same reason new pilots often do the road trip with a resume in hand. Mailed resumes and phone calls just don’t cut it most of the time.

You’re forgetting one thing. All of those workers and execs didn’t stop travelling. They are flying corporate and charter as we speak.

Being competitive in 2021 means using technology to your advantage and not infecting on-site staff either through yourself or employees or by travelling with the unwashed masses.

Business travel on scheduled airlines will recover to a shadow of its former self.

[digits_]

You’re forgetting one thing. All of those workers and execs didn’t stop travelling. They are flying corporate and charter as we speak.

Being competitive in 2021 means using technology to your advantage and not infecting on-site staff either through yourself or employees or by travelling with the unwashed masses.

Business travel on scheduled airlines will recover to a shadow of its former self.

Not all of them. The high level people, sure, they are travelling on corporate planes. But I doubt companies will put mid level sales people on corporate jets for 10k/flight if an airline can do it for 1k.

[BTD]

What is quite interesting is that somebody here thinks the business is going back to "normal" once we are all vaccinated..or not. Do you pay any attention to the economics that are transpiring all around you? Not going back to "normal".

I don’t know about “normal”. But once this is behind us it will certainly be sustainable.

There are large segments of the population who have more “cash” on hand now then usual. Significant numbers of people (government employees, among others) have been getting full pay while being limited on their spending. Many of those will be looking to spend money on travel. Many of those that don’t make large incomes have actually come out ahead or even in cash flow, with CERB.

Right now there is an artificial lid being held on the economy and spending isn’t happening. No doubt it is hurting many companies and businesses, but once the lid is removed the money will begin to change hands again. It may take some time, but it will get there.

As for business travel, I’d suggest that it will return in due time to near “normal” levels. Anyone who thinks all business travel is boardroom meetings, isn’t using their imagination. There are thousands of jobs that require an individual to actually be in a specific place. Think, oil sand workers, actors, on-site experts, and thousands more that I haven’t mentioned and don’t even know about.

As for the “traditional” business travel, it will come back. Think of the company competing for a contract that actually sends someone out to the client/contractor vs a zoom meeting call. On average who is more likely to get that contract all other things being equal. It’s the company that does a face to face meeting. Businesses are going to want that competitive advantage.

It’s the same reason new pilots often do the road trip with a resume in hand. Mailed resumes and phone calls just don’t cut it most of the time.

You’re forgetting one thing. All of those workers and execs didn’t stop travelling. They are flying corporate and charter as we speak.

Being competitive in 2021 means using technology to your advantage and not infecting on-site staff either through yourself or employees or by travelling with the unwashed masses.

Business travel on scheduled airlines will recover to a shadow of its former self.

Yes I agree that for now being competitive with the current situation necessitates some of those things. I am talking about once infecting on-site staff is no longer a concern.

The majority of those workers and execs did stop travelling. Not all. The average business traveller from 2018/19 isn’t travelling on corporate or charter. Although some are. They are trying to make it work via the online methods. From the client/customer perspective face to face will always provide a competitive advantage once the rules of the pandemic are behind us.