Ontario Stay Home Order coming in.

[rookiepilot]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ ... -1.5868797

The province says it is issuing a stay-at-home-order effective Thursday at 12:01 a.m., which will require everyone to remain at home with exceptions for essential purposes, like going to the grocery store or pharmacy, accessing health care services, for exercise or for essential work.

"Our province is in crisis," Premier Doug Ford said.

[DHC-1 Jockey]

And it's going to last a MINIMUM of 28 days.

[Heavy Rayn]

I wonder if this means that all the FTU's providing "career training" will finally shutdown, or if they'll continue to remain open. Not saying all of them are, but plenty of FTU's are still providing training in Ontario, while many more are not.

[DHC-1 Jockey]

I wonder if this means that all the FTU's providing "career training" will finally shutdown, or if they'll continue to remain open. Not saying all of them are, but plenty of FTU's are still providing training in Ontario, while many more are not.

From the press release:

https://news.ontario.ca/en/release/5992 ... save-lives

“ Effective Thursday, January 14, 2021at 12:01 a.m., the government is issuing a stay-at-home order requiring everyone to remain at home with exceptions for essential purposes, such as going to the grocery store or pharmacy, accessing health care services, for exercise or for essential work.”

I guess it comes down to determine if an FTU is “essential” even if it’s providing CPL/Career training. Even as an airline pilot myself, I wouldn’t call an FTU “essential.”

[photofly]

Press releases and statements from the Premier are not law.

Once again, this is not a matter of individual opinion or moralizing about "essential" or otherwise. The regulations have specific textual contents (I don't think the word "essential" even appears in them) and if a business falls into one of the permitted categories, it may open.

[DHC-1 Jockey]

Press releases and statements from the Premier are not law.

Once again, this is not a matter of individual opinion or moralizing about "essential" or otherwise. The regulations have specific textual contents (I don't think the word "essential" even appears in them) and if a business falls into one of the permitted categories, it may open.

This is what is permitted to be open during the Grey/Lockdown period:

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It looks like teaching for a trade is allowed, with restrictions. Does an FTU teaching CPL count as teaching a “trade?”

And would PPL instruction be allowed if it’s for someone pursuing a career as a pilot, as opposed to a PPL doing it for recreation?

[Heliian]

So 2 options here. As stated above, educational purposes. Second would be "transportation sector".

In my opinion, ppl related training would not qualify, cpl and any other commercial proficiency/upgrades would.

So, if you really want to continue your ppl training then you would need to sign up for the commercial package now and just drop down to ppl in a month or two.

[photofly]

"Post secondary institution" is a defined term in the legislation. Most FTU's do not meet the definition of a Post-secondary institution. I told you - you have to read the legislation. You can't look at summaries, press releases, slides, or other media piffle-paffle. Read the legislation. Each business will make its decision based on the legislation.

A more significant impediment, now that a state of emergency is in effect, is that travel restrictions may prevent students from travelling to an airport. However - as I said - it's necessary to read the text of the regulations, to see. At this point in time, these regulations have not been published.

[DadoBlade]

I've been monitoring Covid19 death stats since March, 2020. Percentage of people who contract Covid19 that die?.. 2% It is a statistical constant. Yes..steady, around 2%. Yup. 2% of humans who contract Covid19 die. 90% of those "victims" are 78-years of age and older. The Covid19 death-rate is no where near the death-rate of the "Spanish Flue Epidemic" of 1918, and not even close to the death-rate of the infamous "Black Plague" (The Black Death was a plague pandemic which devastated Europe from 1347 to 1352 CE, killing an estimated 25-30 million people. The disease, caused by a bacillus bacteria and carried by fleas on rodents, originated in central Asia and was taken from there to the Crimea by Mongol warriors and traders.)..

[Aviatard]

I've been monitoring Covid19 death stats since March, 2020. Percentage of people who contract Covid19 that die?.. 2% It is a statistical constant. Yes..steady, around 2%. Yup. 2% of humans who contract Covid19 die. 90% of those "victims" are 78-years of age and older. The Covid19 death-rate is no where near the death-rate of the "Spanish Flue Epidemic" of 1918, and not even close to the death-rate of the infamous "Black Plague" (The Black Death was a plague pandemic which devastated Europe from 1347 to 1352 CE, killing an estimated 25-30 million people. The disease, caused by a bacillus bacteria and carried by fleas on rodents, originated in central Asia and was taken from there to the Crimea by Mongol warriors and traders.)..

K. Cool.

[Rockie]

I've been monitoring Covid19 death stats since March, 2020. Percentage of people who contract Covid19 that die?.. 2% It is a statistical constant. Yes..steady, around 2%. Yup. 2% of humans who contract Covid19 die. 90% of those "victims" are 78-years of age and older. The Covid19 death-rate is no where near the death-rate of the "Spanish Flue Epidemic" of 1918, and not even close to the death-rate of the infamous "Black Plague" (The Black Death was a plague pandemic which devastated Europe from 1347 to 1352 CE, killing an estimated 25-30 million people. The disease, caused by a bacillus bacteria and carried by fleas on rodents, originated in central Asia and was taken from there to the Crimea by Mongol warriors and traders.)..

Thanks for that. Was there a point?

[Heavy Rayn]

I’m curious what everyone’s thoughts are regarding freelance instructing towards a PPL then. I assume no go? Even despite the stay at home order would freelance towards a PPL be a no go under the grey guidelines then?

[tsgarp]

I’m curious what everyone’s thoughts are regarding freelance instructing towards a PPL then. I assume no go? Even despite the stay at home order would freelance towards a PPL be a no go under the grey guidelines then?

If you have an intention to carry on to the CPL then you are good to go.

[tsgarp]

I've been monitoring Covid19 death stats since March, 2020. Percentage of people who contract Covid19 that die?.. 2% It is a statistical constant. Yes..steady, around 2%. Yup. 2% of humans who contract Covid19 die. 90% of those "victims" are 78-years of age and older. The Covid19 death-rate is no where near the death-rate of the "Spanish Flue Epidemic" of 1918, and not even close to the death-rate of the infamous "Black Plague" (The Black Death was a plague pandemic which devastated Europe from 1347 to 1352 CE, killing an estimated 25-30 million people. The disease, caused by a bacillus bacteria and carried by fleas on rodents, originated in central Asia and was taken from there to the Crimea by Mongol warriors and traders.)..

Someday, when someone gets around to writing an objective history of our times they are going to marvel at how a really bad cold could be exploited to cripple an economy and destroy the middle class.

[Heavy Rayn]

I’m curious what everyone’s thoughts are regarding freelance instructing towards a PPL then. I assume no go? Even despite the stay at home order would freelance towards a PPL be a no go under the grey guidelines then?

If you have an intention to carry on to the CPL then you are good to go.

My concern is freelancing wouldn’t fall under the “post secondary institution” on the chart provided in the comments above. I’m the one offering the instruction, I’m unsure of whether to continue or hold off for a few weeks based on these new restrictions.

[tsgarp]

I’m curious what everyone’s thoughts are regarding freelance instructing towards a PPL then. I assume no go? Even despite the stay at home order would freelance towards a PPL be a no go under the grey guidelines then?

If you have an intention to carry on to the CPL then you are good to go.

My concern is freelancing wouldn’t fall under the “post secondary institution” on the chart provided in the comments above. I’m the one offering the instruction, I’m unsure of whether to continue or hold off for a few weeks based on these new restrictions.

It does list "Trades" training which is what flying is.

[Zaibatsu]

Thanks Trudeau.

[Inverted2]

Won’t change any of my habits. I don’t go out and socialize much but if I do visit family there’s always a Walmart ahead somewhere and a pilot uniform in the back.

[Rockie]

I've been monitoring Covid19 death stats since March, 2020. Percentage of people who contract Covid19 that die?.. 2% It is a statistical constant. Yes..steady, around 2%. Yup. 2% of humans who contract Covid19 die. 90% of those "victims" are 78-years of age and older. The Covid19 death-rate is no where near the death-rate of the "Spanish Flue Epidemic" of 1918, and not even close to the death-rate of the infamous "Black Plague" (The Black Death was a plague pandemic which devastated Europe from 1347 to 1352 CE, killing an estimated 25-30 million people. The disease, caused by a bacillus bacteria and carried by fleas on rodents, originated in central Asia and was taken from there to the Crimea by Mongol warriors and traders.)..

Someday, when someone gets around to writing an objective history of our times they are going to marvel at how a really bad cold could be exploited to cripple an economy and destroy the middle class.

Someday? You and many others already think that. What you haven’t said, or obviously considered, is why anyone aside from an enemy would want to exploit anything to cripple our economy and destroy the middle class.

[tsgarp]

I've been monitoring Covid19 death stats since March, 2020. Percentage of people who contract Covid19 that die?.. 2% It is a statistical constant. Yes..steady, around 2%. Yup. 2% of humans who contract Covid19 die. 90% of those "victims" are 78-years of age and older. The Covid19 death-rate is no where near the death-rate of the "Spanish Flue Epidemic" of 1918, and not even close to the death-rate of the infamous "Black Plague" (The Black Death was a plague pandemic which devastated Europe from 1347 to 1352 CE, killing an estimated 25-30 million people. The disease, caused by a bacillus bacteria and carried by fleas on rodents, originated in central Asia and was taken from there to the Crimea by Mongol warriors and traders.)..

Someday, when someone gets around to writing an objective history of our times they are going to marvel at how a really bad cold could be exploited to cripple an economy and destroy the middle class.

Someday? You and many others already think that. What you haven’t said, or obviously considered, is why anyone aside from an enemy would want to exploit anything to cripple our economy and destroy the middle class.

Do you really think the political elite are your friends or are going to be hurt all that much by this?

[socsbrian]

I only need 2.1 more solo hours to fulfill my CPL requirement.... and my written exam is going to expire the end of this month

[AngelsSang]

I've been monitoring Covid19 death stats since March, 2020. Percentage of people who contract Covid19 that die?.. 2% It is a statistical constant. Yes..steady, around 2%. Yup. 2% of humans who contract Covid19 die. 90% of those "victims" are 78-years of age and older. The Covid19 death-rate is no where near the death-rate of the "Spanish Flue Epidemic" of 1918, and not even close to the death-rate of the infamous "Black Plague" (The Black Death was a plague pandemic which devastated Europe from 1347 to 1352 CE, killing an estimated 25-30 million people. The disease, caused by a bacillus bacteria and carried by fleas on rodents, originated in central Asia and was taken from there to the Crimea by Mongol warriors and traders.)..

Someday, when someone gets around to writing an objective history of our times they are going to marvel at how a really bad cold could be exploited to cripple an economy and destroy the middle class.

I've had it, because I have the antibodies. So mild, that didn't know I had it. Felt a little bit off for a few days in December 2019, maybe that was it, I'll never know.

[Rockie]

Someday, when someone gets around to writing an objective history of our times they are going to marvel at how a really bad cold could be exploited to cripple an economy and destroy the middle class.

Someday? You and many others already think that. What you haven’t said, or obviously considered, is why anyone aside from an enemy would want to exploit anything to cripple our economy and destroy the middle class.

Do you really think the political elite are your friends or are going to be hurt all that much by this?

Friends? No.
Hurt by this? Absolutely.

And that still doesn’t explain why they would exploit this to cripple our economy and destroy the middle class. Think real hard and tell me why they would want to do that.

[ReserveTank]

Thanks Trudeau.

Trudeau is only acting on the orders of (and incentives supplied by) his superiors.

And that still doesn’t explain why they would exploit this to cripple our economy and destroy the middle class. Think real hard and tell me why they would want to do that.

Because we are in the middle of an industrial revolution. Ownership of all means (production, finance, and otherwise) will be in the hands of far fewer oligarchs. People have been lamenting for years about the 1%-They've seen nothing. Try 0.01%. You can already see it in the media-Companies like Amazon can decide whether or not you speak and eat. Someone like Bezos can also decide what information you receive because he owns a major publication.

Small business owners have no place in the economy of the near future. They provide too much competition for online warehouses of Chinese junk.

To the point-The reason to use a common cold as the catalyst for economic destruction is simple-The public has a hard time pointing at any particular person as culpable. Everything is "because COVID." The tentacles of COVID are numerous and are easy to defend on the weakest of pretexts. It's also created a definite rift within the public, clearly polarizing us. That's a bonus for an oligarch-infighting of the peasantry.

Divided We Fall, as it were.

[Launchpad1]

Ok I'm in no way a conspiracy theorist but imagine this:

The worlds leaders are told by their scientists that unless something is done and done now to curb carbon emissions in a big way then the Earth is going to reach a tipping point of global warming that it wont come back from, permafrost is going to melt etc etc.

What is the one situation in which the worlds population would adhere to emissions restrictions that are large enough so that there would be a large and immediate reduction in global emissions?

A global pandemic.

Covid-19 is obviously a very serious virus and it should of course be treated as such. I'm not a doctor so I leave it upto the medical professionals to determine what is the best course of action (if someone on your aircraft was having a heart attack and there was a doctor onboard you wouldn't shove them out of the way and say stand back I've seen some stuff on youtube so I know more about saving you than this doctor).

So I'm not saying covid-19 isn't very serious but there is the chance that it's been seized on as an opportunity to limit carbon emissions for a few years.