Potential Airline Bailout

[gtappl]

Right up there with "budgets balance themselves".

What a tool.

In all honesty were you expecting a different result from hiring an ex frat boy part time drama teacher from a private school?

So now that we established Canada was the 1st and 4th country to strike agreements with the major producers, what do you have to say?

[altiplano]

Of course the political statements are that. That's what Canadians want to hear.

With sealed contracts the truth can't come out in black and white and bite them, but with the past timeline clearly in view we can see what they are saying is not true.

Not to mention the stats on world vaccination rates and where the deliveries are going is available and anyone can see Canada is the worst of the G7 and well down the list on the vaccination effort.

Liberal apologists pushing a revisionist history.

[gtappl]

Of course the political statements are that. That's what Canadians want to hear.

With sealed contracts the truth can't come out in black and white and bite them, but with the past timeline clearly in view we can see what they are saying is not true.

Not to mention the stats on world vaccination rates and where the deliveries are going is available and anyone can see Canada is the worst of the G7 and well down the list on the vaccination effort.

Liberal apologists pushing a revisionist history.

LMAO so I'm supposed to trust YOU over what the moderna chairman says?

[BTD]

Of course the political statements are that. That's what Canadians want to hear.

With sealed contracts the truth can't come out in black and white and bite them, but with the past timeline clearly in view we can see what they are saying is not true.

Not to mention the stats on world vaccination rates and where the deliveries are going is available and anyone can see Canada is the worst of the G7 and well down the list on the vaccination effort.

Liberal apologists pushing a revisionist history.

LMAO so I'm supposed to trust YOU over what the moderna chairman says?

Don’t trust either. Look at the data. The proof is in results.

[gtappl]

Of course the political statements are that. That's what Canadians want to hear.

With sealed contracts the truth can't come out in black and white and bite them, but with the past timeline clearly in view we can see what they are saying is not true.

Not to mention the stats on world vaccination rates and where the deliveries are going is available and anyone can see Canada is the worst of the G7 and well down the list on the vaccination effort.

Liberal apologists pushing a revisionist history.

LMAO so I'm supposed to trust YOU over what the moderna chairman says?

Don’t trust either. Look at the data. The proof is in results.

Fair point. My goal was basically to show all the critics here were full of shit (what else is now) and they can criticize all day but have no actual suggestions to have done things better. (sounds like the conservative party)

I'm sad we are behind where we planned to be but the statistics do ignore how our size vs population are an issue and that other countries paid to skip ahead in line.

[Fanblade]

https://nationalpost.com/news/how-ottaw ... cquisition

How Ottawa utterly botched Canada’s Covid vaccine acquisition

[2112]

Fair point. My goal was basically to show all the critics here were full of shit (what else is now) and they can criticize all day but have no actual suggestions to have done things better. (sounds like the conservative party)

I am hearing this smokescreen more and more by the day from the likes of CBC and their apologistic pundits. The fact is JT is the captain of the ship and the success or failure of the nations vaccine rollout lay squarely at his feet. In a perfect world the Opposition would tell us how they would do things better but that is not their main responsibility. O-Toole's job is to hold the Liberal's to account and ensure the government is acting as efficiently and effectively as possible with regards to getting needles in arms and paychecks in bank accounts again. The Jan unemployment stat's were awful and vaccine supplies are critically low with nothing but empty promises, the same verbal diarehha and a massive deficit to show for it. The conservative party is not the problem here stop trying to make it sound like they are.

[gtappl]

Fair point. My goal was basically to show all the critics here were full of shit (what else is now) and they can criticize all day but have no actual suggestions to have done things better. (sounds like the conservative party)

I am hearing this smokescreen more and more by the day from the likes of CBC and their apologistic pundits. The fact is JT is the captain of the ship and the success or failure of the nations vaccine rollout lay squarely at his feet. In a perfect world the Opposition would tell us how they would do things better but that is not their main responsibility. O-Toole's job is to hold the Liberal's to account and ensure the government is acting as efficiently and effectively as possible with regards to getting needles in arms and paychecks in bank accounts again. The Jan unemployment stat's were awful and vaccine supplies are critically low with nothing but empty promises, the same verbal diarehha and a massive deficit to show for it. The conservative party is not the problem here stop trying to make it sound like they are.

They are absolutely a problem. I have 0 faith they would have done a better job. Look at doug ford sitting on $10 billion in federal aid? Look at o'toole promising he'll decimate the industry by letting in foreign carriers have a free for all. The only difference the conservatives seem to have suggested they'd do is not do lockdowns and just end up with more sick people.

Everyone here says we took too long to make an order yet the official sources say we're 1st and 4th....

There are a lot of factors we're unaware of so even if o'toole wasn't full of shit I'm sure he's missing a lot of critical info.

[Ruddervator]

I'm no Liberal apologist, but I'd pay close attention to what O'Toole has said in plain sight, right in his leadership platform. Including opening up the airline industry to foreign competition, and using the Competition Bureau to "break up companies that abuse their dominant market positions".

If you don't want to listen to the Liberals, I don't blame you, and I won't be voting for JT either. But you better listen to what the Conservatives have to say, too. Keep your eyes and ears open on the next official party platform, if they decide to publish one. Pay attention.

[altiplano]

Of course the political statements are that. That's what Canadians want to hear.

With sealed contracts the truth can't come out in black and white and bite them, but with the past timeline clearly in view we can see what they are saying is not true.

Not to mention the stats on world vaccination rates and where the deliveries are going is available and anyone can see Canada is the worst of the G7 and well down the list on the vaccination effort.

Liberal apologists pushing a revisionist history.

LMAO so I'm supposed to trust YOU over what the moderna chairman says?

Learn to think critically. It doesn't add up.

The proof is in the results.

Among the highest unemployment of all advanced economies, lowest economic growth in the G7, lowest vaccination rate in the G7... but somehow we spent the most money to achieve that.

What fairy world was Trudeau living in when he made a deal with Chinese on developing a vaccine?

1st and 4th? Riggght.... We certainly aren't 1st or 4th by any metric on vaccine distribution... and I doubt what life long academic, Minister Anand, says is the complete truth. Otherwise, where is the vaccine in this country?

[2112]

Everyone here says we took too long to make an order yet the official sources say we're 1st and 4th....

Again with the smokscreening, just because we were 1st and 4th to PLACE an order means nothing when it comes to RECEIVING that order. When asked by all other ferderal parties and the media to release redacted contracts the Liberals have refused multiple times. We see this deflection tactic over and over again with this government except this time people are dying due to their ineptitude. As far as the airlines are concerned they are acting like lambs being lead to slaughter and many good people will lose their livlihoods as a result of the ineffectual managment dealings with the government. The way we've handled this second wave is an embarassment to say the least.

[Localizer]

If a politicians mouth is moving you can guarantee he’s lying.

I believe that .. and really I hate our political system because there is no accountability or consequence (other then losing an election) to a politician. If they had penalties applied for ethics violations or misleading the public you might see real change in how we are governed, but until then a politicians view is nothing more then the next election.

Personally the documents on procurement should be accessible, then all the cards are on the table and Canadians can make their decisions based on facts. Hiding that information under the guise of security is bullshit and only being done because the truth would turn our collective stomachs is my guess.

[Dh8Classic]

LMAO so I'm supposed to trust YOU over what the moderna chairman says?

Don’t trust either. Look at the data. The proof is in results.

Fair point. My goal was basically to show all the critics here were full of shit (what else is now) and they can criticize all day but have no actual suggestions to have done things better. (sounds like the conservative party)

That is because you refuse to let your partisan politics allow you to think clearly. One need only ask themselves a few honest question.

If Harper were still PM, would we have this issue with China over the daughter of Huawei? Answer: Propably yes as it was normal government protocol to have her arrested when an Interpol warrant was put out. So we would almost certainly still have two hostages being held by China and China threatening us for the last couple of years.

Would Harper have been stupid enough to throw any of our vaccine eggs in the basket of Chins? Answer: I highly doubt it. But Trudeau did. Who would be stupid enough to do that? And how many stupid things does this government have to do before people realize how incompetent they are. They still vote for them because they want their taxpayer subsidy. And now we are all going to pay big time fore it.

Is anybody at all surprised that China screwed us over intentionally. Yes, the Trudeau group.

From an article this summer:

https://globalnews.ca/news/7302194/cana ... eal-china/

"As China races to develop a COVID-19 vaccine, a multimillion-dollar collaboration between Canada and China has failed, likely because of Beijing’s geopolitical concerns, say scientists with direct knowledge of the project.

This week Canada’s National Research Council (NRC) announced it has abandoned its partnership with Chinese company CanSino Biologics, because China’s government continues to block shipments of vaccine materials to Canada."

"Margaret McCuaig-Johnston — a former Canadian assistant-deputy minister responsible for vaccine collaborations with China — said she believes senior Chinese officials have blocked the CanSino shipments in order to retaliate against Canada for the Meng Wanzhou extradition case, or simply to pursue their geopolitical objectives of becoming a world-leading vaccine provider."

[Dh8Classic]

Now the majority finally learn:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c86-9HitWg0

[Dh8Classic]

How true those words were:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH_lVBY-ymU

Who would negotiate our lives and economy with a superpower country determined to punish us?

['97 Tercel]

[gtappl]

What have you accomplished by posting this? He apologized and everyone has moved on. Nobody cares, it reminds me of the NDP moaning and screaming when he nudged someone who was totally ok and understood it was an accident.

There are so many legitimate things to criticize him for, and i feel like whining about that a year later is childish.

[Ruddervator]

So vote for O'Toole. Just don't be surprised when he destroys our industry by ripping Air Canada apart, and selling out our whole industry to foreign interests. It's right in his platform.

[Dh8Classic]

So vote for O'Toole. Just don't be surprised when he destroys our industry by ripping Air Canada apart, and selling out our whole industry to foreign interests. It's right in his platform.

Why would I vote for O'Toole. All the Liberal supporters have convinced me that his actions and words prove that he is a racist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZZJJo2kTRA

[Ruddervator]

So we agree then! Both the Liberal party and Conservatives are bad for this country. I look forward for your support for the NDP or Green party in the next federal election.

[2112]

How about 338 independant's elected to the HOC, call it our version of the great reset while the party system is on forced time out.

['97 Tercel]

[Dh8Classic]

So we agree then! Both the Liberal party and Conservatives are bad for this country. I look forward for your support for the NDP or Green party in the next federal election.

According to you, the Cons want to break up airlines. The Liberals apparently want them to come as close as possible to ceasing to exist at all(except perhaps for truly essential purposes).

Don't worry, you'll vote for Greta's friend again, no doubt for other reasons.

[Ruddervator]

So we agree then! Both the Liberal party and Conservatives are bad for this country. I look forward for your support for the NDP or Green party in the next federal election.

According to you, the Cons want to break up airlines. The Liberals apparently want them to come as close as possible to ceasing to exist at all(except perhaps for truly essential purposes).

Don't worry, you'll vote for Greta's friend again, no doubt for other reasons.

Don't believe me? Read this excerpt from O'Toole's platform:

Increasing competition: The best way to ensure that people are getting good quality at a fair price is to ensure that there is competition. Far too often in Canada, though, this is not the case. Our laws all too often protect big businesses and their highly paid executives at the expense of Canadian consumers. An O’Toole government will take steps to end this to make life more affordable:

A: Making big corporations compete. Canadians pay too much because too many of our big corporations are coddled and protected by a government that serves them more than it serves the people.

B: I will open airline and wireless services to foreign competition. Giving the Competition Bureau more teeth to go after anti-competitive behaviour, block mergers that reduce competition and have turned too many industries into oligopolies and break up companies that abuse their dominant market positions.

[gtappl]