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[ant_321]

i get why some are doing ot, the simple fact is most of us would to, for various reasons. i know when i get recalled i'll pick up as much as i can to make up for what i've lost. all is fair in love an war.

I’m not at AC but I am furloughed. I would lose my house before I would take overtime while my colleagues are laid off. It’s called solidarity.

[redbusdriver]

i get why some are doing ot, the simple fact is most of us would to, for various reasons. i know when i get recalled i'll pick up as much as i can to make up for what i've lost. all is fair in love an war.

I’m not at AC but I am furloughed. I would lose my house before I would take overtime while my colleagues are laid off. It’s called solidarity.

if you choose to loose your house then thats you, i wont. and as mentioned above, if i dont take it someone else will. i wish that wasn't the case, but end of the day c.y.o.a, so im not alone in this.

[thrust set]

Dude, you’re at the wrong airline for solidarity! This place has always had pilots thinking about themselves rather than for the collective whole. Pilots doing outrageous amounts of OT, union leaders spending Mon - Thur while being displaced to finish law degrees and MBA’s. Pilots jumping the cue to get that left seat at Rouge. Last week go look on the other forum to see the selfish “ mama drama “ from a captain that wouldn’t give up a leg to his F/O that needed it for currency. It was cringeworthy and I hope that clown spends the remaining time here eating alone on overnights.
So if someone said they need a trip to pay the bank, I say have at it.

[simply_no_one]

Last week go look on the other forum to see the selfish “ mama drama “ from a captain that wouldn’t give up a leg to his F/O that needed it for currency. It was cringeworthy and I hope that clown spends the remaining time here eating alone on overnights.
So if someone said they need a trip to pay the bank, I say have at it.

Cryin Ryan

[Stu Pidasso]

Although C.R.is a legendary whiner, the point was there is only one person who decides who flys and that is the Pilot in Command.

Not crewsked or some other clerk.

[altiplano]

100%. PIC makes the call, not crewsked or company clipboard manager.

While I disagree with the VO, I know the above mentioned has stood up for his crew and contract and eaten a suspension for his trouble.

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

The company is in it for themselves.
The union is in it for the pilot group.
You should be in it for yourself.

With that said, don't be an ass and take 25 hours of OT, but to pick up a pairing here and there is fine.

[metalbusdriver]

The company is in it for themselves.
The union is in it for the pilot group.
You should be in it for yourself.

With that said, don't be an ass and take 25 hours of OT, but to pick up a pairing here and there is fine.

The union is in it for the pilot group? Missed that as we are the only pilots on furlough without support from the CEWS and MEC won't go to bat for us and is fine with " thats the companies decision".

We stand together, unless you're furloughed then you are not allowed to be included in the MEC emails or voting or discussions because none of these have a direct implication in your current status or future career path.

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

The company is in it for themselves.
The union is in it for the pilot group.
You should be in it for yourself.

With that said, don't be an ass and take 25 hours of OT, but to pick up a pairing here and there is fine.

The union is in it for the pilot group? Missed that as we are the only pilots on furlough without support from the CEWS and MEC won't go to bat for us and is fine with " thats the companies decision".

We stand together, unless you're furloughed then you are not allowed to be included in the MEC emails or voting or discussions because none of these have a direct implication in your current status or future career path.

Sorry, I should be more clear. The union is in it for the active pilot group who are still paying in to the union.

[ALPApolicy]

Solidarity. You guys crack me up. You all became pilots in your late teens or early 20’s because you wanted solidarity with a bunch of other pilots? You guys are weird.

Solidarity...ROFL...I see Lech Walensa leading a bunch of miners through the streets of Warsaw in 1980. Not a bunch of whiney pilots.

Solidarity...that’s a good one...

[simply_no_one]

The company is in it for themselves.
The union is in it for the pilot group.
You should be in it for yourself.

With that said, don't be an ass and take 25 hours of OT, but to pick up a pairing here and there is fine.

The union is in it for the pilot group? Missed that as we are the only pilots on furlough without support from the CEWS and MEC won't go to bat for us and is fine with " thats the companies decision".

We stand together, unless you're furloughed then you are not allowed to be included in the MEC emails or voting or discussions because none of these have a direct implication in your current status or future career path.

Sorry, I should be more clear. The union is in it for the active pilot group who are still paying in to the union.

And if the 600 furloughs were on CEWS they'd still be paying dues.

Also I completely disagree with your post anyways. We are still members of ACPA and have the longest time left in this job over pretty much every active pilot. They should be protecting our futures and the future of the job in general. The old adage "we don't negotiate for people not hired yet" is an old way of thinking and it's how we ended up where we are now with horrible 4 year flat pay and a garbage pension.

[simply_no_one]

Solidarity. You guys crack me up. You all became pilots in your late teens or early 20’s because you wanted solidarity with a bunch of other pilots? You guys are weird.

Solidarity...ROFL...I see Lech Walensa leading a bunch of miners through the streets of Warsaw in 1980. Not a bunch of whiney pilots.

Solidarity...that’s a good one...

Not everyone started flying when they were 20. I saw more solidarity in my old warehousing jobs, which got me though flight school than I've ever seen at any airline. Pretty sad, to be honest.

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

The union is in it for the pilot group? Missed that as we are the only pilots on furlough without support from the CEWS and MEC won't go to bat for us and is fine with " thats the companies decision".

We stand together, unless you're furloughed then you are not allowed to be included in the MEC emails or voting or discussions because none of these have a direct implication in your current status or future career path.

Sorry, I should be more clear. The union is in it for the active pilot group who are still paying in to the union.

And if the 600 furloughs were on CEWS they'd still be paying dues.

Also I completely disagree with your post anyways. We are still members of ACPA and have the longest time left in this job over pretty much every active pilot. They should be protecting our futures and the future of the job in general. The old adage "we don't negotiate for people not hired yet" is an old way of thinking and it's how we ended up where we are now with horrible 4 year flat pay and a garbage pension.

I'm sorry that you're having such a bad time with ALPA.

I can tell you for a fact that not every ALPA pilot group feels the way the AC pilot group seems to feel. I can give you some more specifics over PM if you'd like, but my bargaining group is doing an absolutely amazing job! [coming from another furloughed pilot]

[simply_no_one]

Sorry, I should be more clear. The union is in it for the active pilot group who are still paying in to the union.

And if the 600 furloughs were on CEWS they'd still be paying dues.

Also I completely disagree with your post anyways. We are still members of ACPA and have the longest time left in this job over pretty much every active pilot. They should be protecting our futures and the future of the job in general. The old adage "we don't negotiate for people not hired yet" is an old way of thinking and it's how we ended up where we are now with horrible 4 year flat pay and a garbage pension.

I'm sorry that you're having such a bad time with ALPA.

I can tell you for a fact that not every ALPA pilot group feels the way the AC pilot group seems to feel. I can give you some more specifics over PM if you'd like, but my bargaining group is doing an absolutely amazing job! [coming from another furloughed pilot]

Thanks man I come from an ALPA carrier, and miss it. ACPA is a dumpster fire run by an old boys club who only care about their flight release and maintaining "power"...

I know ALPA has been doing pretty good for other groups including Jazz.

My dream is the pilots here wake up and kick ACPA to the curb. Enough of giving away the farm to "capture" flying... If the same people are in charge come next major contract renewal I'm very very worried of what bullshit they will try to sell us.

[redbusdriver]

acpa is doing fine imo and will continue to get my support, and im furloughed!

[altiplano]

And if the 600 furloughs were on CEWS they'd still be paying dues.

Also I completely disagree with your post anyways. We are still members of ACPA and have the longest time left in this job over pretty much every active pilot. They should be protecting our futures and the future of the job in general. The old adage "we don't negotiate for people not hired yet" is an old way of thinking and it's how we ended up where we are now with horrible 4 year flat pay and a garbage pension.

I'm sorry that you're having such a bad time with ALPA.

I can tell you for a fact that not every ALPA pilot group feels the way the AC pilot group seems to feel. I can give you some more specifics over PM if you'd like, but my bargaining group is doing an absolutely amazing job! [coming from another furloughed pilot]

Thanks man I come from an ALPA carrier, and miss it. ACPA is a dumpster fire run by an old boys club who only care about their flight release and maintaining "power"...

I know ALPA has been doing pretty good for other groups including Jazz.

My dream is the pilots here wake up and kick ACPA to the curb. Enough of giving away the farm to "capture" flying... If the same people are in charge come next major contract renewal I'm very very worried of what bullshit they will try to sell us.

2 years to the opener.

3 until the framework MOA is done and it's restrictions and protections lifted.

Unless ACPA decides to declare the benchmarks not met in 2023, which it is very likely they won't be.
Might not be a strategically sound move though depending on the rate of recovery between now and then.

Either way it's likely MR will try to lock us down again for another 10 in 2023 with the pandemic crisis fresh in our minds - no crisis wasted.

They'll probably promise to bring all the furloughs back on the property in exchange for a long term deal.

An apathetic and uniformed membership will fall for it... this time we'll probably get 1% raises, and 1% lump sums... and another B pass.

The corp will come out with surprise profits beating analysts through '24, '25, '26. Just like we did '14, '15, '16 right after we signed up for the current 10...

The time is now for the association to prepare the membership for the opener and a new contract which is imminent then, or the following year. Let's get some recovery targets and stop looking at our feet mid pandemic. Let's start hearing where the US traffic recovery is, where the US majors are reporting expected profits... let get a look at where we're heading on the upswing out of this.

If we go in beat down, we're going to get the contract beat down we deserve.

And if I hear another guy at work tell me that we're just lucky to have jobs... I'm flying the whole pairing.

[Hangry]

I don’t think they’d mind.

[altiplano]

I don’t think they’d mind.

LOL... I couldn't think of anything else... but I'm just tired of it.

[Julian.B]

Say what you will people, but when it comes to taking care of your family, paying the bills, etc. morality is out the door. If my spouse lost her job and I had to be "immoral" to make it to next month, I'll take all the overtime I can get. I could care less about who's offended and who is not. It's not up to me to recall people. That's the company's business. If they think they need more crews, they should call them back.

With all that being said, if I don't need to take the overtime, I will not... and have not.

We're not in a position to judge anyone in this matter. Unfortunately, it's every man for himself (or woman, to be PC). Times are tough.

[RippleRock]

There should be a very valuable lesson learned from signing the last 10 year contract.

1) They are designed to protect the Membership from economic downturns by providing stability. EPIC FAIL.
2) They absolutely protect the Company from the Membership acquiring --any gains-- during times of prosperity. EPIC WIN for the Company.

Long term deals (5 years+) are a LOSE- LOSE proposition for the Membership, and should be BANNED permanently.

ACPA should learn the meaning of the term --SNAP-BACK CLAUSE-- before negotiating anything, ever again. Jeeezus, I don't mind taking a hit and helping out but PLEEEZE don't enshrine permanent lets (10% cargo) into the contract. We --should-- be able to recover when the Shareholder do.

We have gone nowhere but nowhere with ACPA and their negotiating prowess. I cringe whenever I hear "approved by the MEC".

[simply_no_one]

Scope chair doing almost 100 hours this month. Nice to see leadership by example. Be part of the choir selling the 55 then 63 hour deal, giving away 30% scope and doing nothing for the furloughed members to protect their jobs, then have access to DSCs and STILL fly 97+ hours plus 2 days of sim. Do the math on what that equals after you factor the OT calculations... I'd love a $40,000 month paycheck.

NO ONE can tell me that anyone "needs" $40,000 in a month to stay afloat and pay bills.

[Julian.B]

Scope chair doing almost 100 hours this month. Nice to see leadership by example. Be part of the choir selling the 55 then 63 hour deal, giving away 30% scope and doing nothing for the furloughed members to protect their jobs, then have access to DSCs and STILL fly 97+ hours plus 2 days of sim. Do the math on what that equals after you factor the OT calculations... I'd love a $40,000 month paycheck.

NO ONE can tell me that anyone "needs" $40,000 in a month to stay afloat and pay bills.

That is correct. But in my case, doing 15 hours a month overtime allows me to pay off all my bills. But I have said it before, I was lucky enough to have a spouse that still has her job and I don't need, nor do I take, overtime. I wouldn't hesitate to do it if I was in trouble (financially)

[Hangry]

Scope chair doing almost 100 hours this month. Nice to see leadership by example. Be part of the choir selling the 55 then 63 hour deal, giving away 30% scope and doing nothing for the furloughed members to protect their jobs, then have access to DSCs and STILL fly 97+ hours plus 2 days of sim. Do the math on what that equals after you factor the OT calculations... I'd love a $40,000 month paycheck.

NO ONE can tell me that anyone "needs" $40,000 in a month to stay afloat and pay bills.

It’s really none of your business. Now you’re into doxing guys on a public forum?

I’ll let you in on a secret. Most guys don’t care. Like at all. We live our lives and forums are for fun, not a lifestyle like you seem to think.

[alkaseltzer]

Scope chair doing almost 100 hours this month. Nice to see leadership by example. Be part of the choir selling the 55 then 63 hour deal, giving away 30% scope and doing nothing for the furloughed members to protect their jobs, then have access to DSCs and STILL fly 97+ hours plus 2 days of sim. Do the math on what that equals after you factor the OT calculations... I'd love a $40,000 month paycheck.

NO ONE can tell me that anyone "needs" $40,000 in a month to stay afloat and pay bills.

Every man for himself.

[Captain Kirkk]

Scope chair doing almost 100 hours this month. Nice to see leadership by example. Be part of the choir selling the 55 then 63 hour deal, giving away 30% scope and doing nothing for the furloughed members to protect their jobs, then have access to DSCs and STILL fly 97+ hours plus 2 days of sim. Do the math on what that equals after you factor the OT calculations... I'd love a $40,000 month paycheck.

NO ONE can tell me that anyone "needs" $40,000 in a month to stay afloat and pay bills.

Every man for himself.

Again, I fly a 767 and you are probably laid off, lets be humble here.

KD