JetBlue's coming North

[rookiepilot]

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/jetblue-exp ... -1.1593364

[palebird]

Some serious competition for our little bubble.

[Co-Joe Exotic]

Yikes. Gonna get interesting for sure.

[FlyingLion]

I like JetBlue, I always had great experiences with them unlike Big Red and EastJet.
Welcome to Canada Jet Blue !

[pacman007]

This is concerning, Canadian airlines can’t compete. We are to slow to react and if this starts the flood gates for southwest to come north we are in big trouble.

[Inverted2]

Southwest is nice too. Did the reciprocal JS on them and went to Florida out of Buffalo with the gf just before the Wuhan Flu hit and would definitely fly them again. The ticket wasn’t much more than using my passes.

[Cavalier44]

It will be interesting to see how Air Canada/WestJet react to this. JetBlue has a fantastic premium-class product on their A321s in their Mint class, with lie-flat seats and pods - nothing that either AC or WS currently offer on their narrow-body fleets are comparable. I'm predicting a bloodbath in the Canadian market over the next 1-2 years, as our domestic airlines will be on their back foot and struggling to pay off debt and return to profitability. Meanwhile, the American carriers, which have received substantial financial assistance from the US gov't, will be able to dump capacity into the Canadian market at a loss in order to capture market share.

With that being said, I've had great experiences jumpseating with JetBlue in the past - they really go out of their way to take care of you as a flight crew member. I wish them the best of success, if they expand their routes eastward I'll look forward to travelling with them again once the COVID pandemic is behind us.

[digits_]

Maybe it's time to propose to the US that Canada would drop cabbotage laws in exchange for green cards or work permits for Canadian pilots. Win-win

[Boreas]

Maybe it's time to propose to the US that Canada would drop cabbotage laws in exchange for green cards or work permits for Canadian pilots. Win-win

Ha, Canadian airlines would go tits up in a heartbeat without their endless supply of cheap labor. Eliminating cabotage would just be comic overkill.

I like it.

[Commonwealth]

Maybe it's time to propose to the US that Canada would drop cabbotage laws in exchange for green cards or work permits for Canadian pilots. Win-win

Yes please. I think a lot of Canadians would be onboard with this.

[altiplano]

Americans wouldn't want our raggedyass routes. Other than between YVR, YYZ, YYC, YUL, it's all too thin and too far. Our cost of operations is too high between AIFs, taxes, taxes, taxes, and the rest of the fees... they would just syphon a few cash cows and leave everything else to die. Every international flight would be out of a US hub... so careful what you wish for.

And for what? So you can ride the coat tails of successful pilot groups? So ee can depress US wages? Why don't we fight for our industry here?

Besides, unlike in Canada the Association's there have an ear in government and pilots there value themselves and fight for their profession.

[RippleRock]

They'll come north just as long as it takes them to realize the Government has its hand down the pocket of the industry so far you can see their Federal fingertips protruding from the bottom of the pant leg. Southwest has already done the math and passed. Good luck to them though.

Canadians have passed judgement on the Canadian industry. Their hate is strange, but soooo Canadian. Why be so distainful of an industry that connects most of us when we are so spread out from sea to sea? Most of the higher Canadian cost is tax or non airline related user fees, but instead of hating all the "fingers in the travellers pie", they just blame and hate the airline.

[ReserveTank]

Southwest is nice too. Did the reciprocal JS on them and went to Florida out of Buffalo with the gf just before the Wuhan Flu hit and would definitely fly them again. The ticket wasn’t much more than using my passes.

+1

WN is always friendly about JS and passriding, and very often let offline crews board first. Good experiences with B6 as well. Hard to beat for a cheap ride down to the sunny places.

[Cessna 180]

JetBlue can leverage their codeshare agreement with American Airlines, as well as their new routes across the pond from JFK and BOS. Plus the sunny destinations that are well served by B6, but have been decimated by our federal government. JetBlue isn't really a low-cost carrier anymore in the same way that WestJet isn't. YVR to BOS and JFK are rather underserved. I'm sure they can make this profitable.

It will be interesting if they expand to Toronto or Montreal, or to west coast destinations from YVR. That could be challenging for Canadian carriers.

[Hangry]

Canadians have passed judgement on the Canadian industry. Their hate is strange, but soooo Canadian. Why be so distainful of an industry that connects most of us when we are so spread out from sea to sea? Most of the higher Canadian cost is tax or non airline related user fees, but instead of hating all the "fingers in the travellers pie", they just blame and hate the airline.

Because Canadians are a jealous jealous bunch. Look no farther than your own industry colleagues to see glee bubble up in their eyes at the thought of AC taking another hit.

God forbid there are good high paying Canadian jobs. If Joe Blow six pack can save $20 on his trip screw the Canadian pilots and industry.

Lobster pot mentality at its finest.

[FlyingLion]

Americans wouldn't want our raggedyass routes. Other than between YVR, YYZ, YYC, YUL, it's all too thin and too far. Our cost of operations is too high between AIFs, taxes, taxes, taxes, and the rest of the fees... they would just syphon a few cash cows and leave everything else to die. Every international flight would be out of a US hub... so careful what you wish for.

And for what? So you can ride the coat tails of successful pilot groups? So ee can depress US wages? Why don't we fight for our industry here?

Besides, unlike in Canada the Association's there have an ear in government and pilots there value themselves and fight for their profession.

As an occasionnal costumer who flies sometimes out of those places, I always pick an U.S. carrier if I can (Delta is my favorite so far). When I don't have passes, it costs me less and the service is far better than what I have witnessed with Canadian Airlines. So far except Porter Airlines, I have had poor experiences in Canada. Even if I have to drive from North Bay to YYZ just to fly with JetBlue, I would do it. I flew with them before and quality of service is very important to me.
As far as our industry goes... If we (Pilots) continue to accept this slavery mentality with our employers and our gouvernment, things will stay as they are or just get worse. We have made the choice to work in a cut throat industry, let's not be mad when in other countries they figured how to do better. In the meantime, the costumer should have the choice to fly with whoever they want to fly with.

[altiplano]

Americans wouldn't want our raggedyass routes. Other than between YVR, YYZ, YYC, YUL, it's all too thin and too far. Our cost of operations is too high between AIFs, taxes, taxes, taxes, and the rest of the fees... they would just syphon a few cash cows and leave everything else to die. Every international flight would be out of a US hub... so careful what you wish for.

And for what? So you can ride the coat tails of successful pilot groups? So ee can depress US wages? Why don't we fight for our industry here?

Besides, unlike in Canada the Association's there have an ear in government and pilots there value themselves and fight for their profession.

As an occasionnal costumer who flies sometimes out of those places, I always pick an U.S. carrier if I can (Delta is my favorite so far). When I don't have passes, it costs me less and the service is far better than what I have witnessed with Canadian Airlines. So far except Porter Airlines, I have had poor experiences in Canada. Even if I have to drive from North Bay to YYZ just to fly with JetBlue, I would do it. I flew with them before and quality of service is very important to me.
As far as our industry goes... If we (Pilots) continue to accept this slavery mentality with our employers and our gouvernment, things will stay as they are or just get worse. We have made the choice to work in a cut throat industry, let's not be mad when in other countries they figured how to do better. In the meantime, the costumer should have the choice to fly with whoever they want to fly with.

Are you replying to my comment? I'm not sure why are you quoting me? I was speaking in reference to the other comments about US cabotage in exchange for Canadian pilots working in the US (which is ridiculous for many reasons).

I'm glad you like Delta, you do you... enjoy your drive from North Bay.

[FlyingLion]

Americans wouldn't want our raggedyass routes. Other than between YVR, YYZ, YYC, YUL, it's all too thin and too far. Our cost of operations is too high between AIFs, taxes, taxes, taxes, and the rest of the fees... they would just syphon a few cash cows and leave everything else to die. Every international flight would be out of a US hub... so careful what you wish for.

And for what? So you can ride the coat tails of successful pilot groups? So ee can depress US wages? Why don't we fight for our industry here?

Besides, unlike in Canada the Association's there have an ear in government and pilots there value themselves and fight for their profession.

As an occasionnal costumer who flies sometimes out of those places, I always pick an U.S. carrier if I can (Delta is my favorite so far). When I don't have passes, it costs me less and the service is far better than what I have witnessed with Canadian Airlines. So far except Porter Airlines, I have had poor experiences in Canada. Even if I have to drive from North Bay to YYZ just to fly with JetBlue, I would do it. I flew with them before and quality of service is very important to me.
As far as our industry goes... If we (Pilots) continue to accept this slavery mentality with our employers and our gouvernment, things will stay as they are or just get worse. We have made the choice to work in a cut throat industry, let's not be mad when in other countries they figured how to do better. In the meantime, the costumer should have the choice to fly with whoever they want to fly with.

Are you replying to my comment? I'm not sure why are you quoting me? I was speaking in reference to the other comments about US cabotage in exchange for Canadian pilots working in the US (which is ridiculous for many reasons).

I'm glad you like Delta, you do you... enjoy your drive from North Bay.

My bad pal, I quoted you by accident. I find the cabotage ridiculous too, we are our own ennemies.

[altiplano]

No problem! Just making sure I'm not misunderstanding.

[47north]

Americans wouldn't want our raggedyass routes. Other than between YVR, YYZ, YYC, YUL, it's all too thin and too far. Our cost of operations is too high between AIFs, taxes, taxes, taxes, and the rest of the fees... they would just syphon a few cash cows and leave everything else to die. Every international flight would be out of a US hub... so careful what you wish for.

And for what? So you can ride the coat tails of successful pilot groups? So ee can depress US wages? Why don't we fight for our industry here?

Besides, unlike in Canada the Association's there have an ear in government and pilots there value themselves and fight for their profession.

As an occasionnal costumer who flies sometimes out of those places, I always pick an U.S. carrier if I can (Delta is my favorite so far). When I don't have passes, it costs me less and the service is far better than what I have witnessed with Canadian Airlines. So far except Porter Airlines, I have had poor experiences in Canada. Even if I have to drive from North Bay to YYZ just to fly with JetBlue, I would do it. I flew with them before and quality of service is very important to me.
As far as our industry goes... If we (Pilots) continue to accept this slavery mentality with our employers and our gouvernment, things will stay as they are or just get worse. We have made the choice to work in a cut throat industry, let's not be mad when in other countries they figured how to do better. In the meantime, the costumer should have the choice to fly with whoever they want to fly with.

Strange, but I have had the exact opposite experience. Service much better on AC, WS or Porter versus an American carrier and I would chose a CDN one anytime.

[DadoBlade]

Me too! I've been flying via TCA/AC since 1964 and I've never experienced bad in-flight passenger service. Westjet is pretty good too. Worldways,YYZ-HOG, Wapiti (Navajo YQU-YXD) Canada 3000,YVR-YEG. ..et al. NT Air Electra YEG-YZF, Love'm. Love'm all. Worst cabin service ever in
50 years of passenger flying? ? Back in 1971, pre-flight in-cabin Boeing 727 Western Airlines YVR-LAX, a stewardess accidentally poured hot coffee on my pants. She never said sorry. She never said anything. Worst post-flight experience in 50-years? Calgary airport waiting at the baggage carousel for over 30-minutes for baggage return on a Westjet flight from YVR to YYC. Twice. Yup. Twice. Learned my lesson. Worst thing about flying in Canada? Canadian passengers. Americans are nicer. In general. Yup..and I am a Canadian.

[alkaseltzer]

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/jetblue-exp ... -1.1593364

Wouldn’t it be nice if they started hiring Canadians (bond them on an FAA conversion ATPL)?

Why hasn’t ALPA USA lobbied for Canadian pilots (jet experience) to be granted H1B? Where are the dues going?

[digits_]

Why hasn’t ALPA USA lobbied for Canadian pilots (jet experience) to be granted H1B? Where are the dues going?

Why would they do that? They represent US pilots. Less pilots is better for their wages.

[DadoBlade]

Me too! I've been flying via TCA/AC since 1964 and I've never experienced bad in-flight passenger service. Westjet is pretty good too. Worldways,YYZ-HOG, Wapiti (Navajo YQU-YXD) Canada 3000,YVR-YEG. ..et al. NT Air Electra YEG-YZF, Love'm. Love'm all. Worst cabin service ever in
50 years of passenger flying? ? Back in 1971, pre-flight in-cabin Boeing 727 Western Airlines YVR-LAX, a stewardess accidentally poured hot coffee on my pants. She never said sorry. She never said anything. Worst post-flight experience in 50-years? Calgary airport waiting at the baggage carousel for over 30-minutes for baggage return on a Westjet flight from YVR to YYC. Twice. Yup. Twice. Learned my lesson. Worst thing about flying in Canada? Canadian passengers. Americans are nicer. In general. Yup..and I am a Canadian.

[DadoBlade]

Oh,... to put a finer point on it, I've found in my 50-years as a passenger and aviator, that passengers in YVR, YYZ and YUL are the most obnoxious. Otherwise, I've found Canadians are a kind, considerate and pleasant people.