Airplane stuck in the states

[Gino Under]

You get the last word.
Gino Under

[Gino Under]

digits_

The only definition of crew that matters is contained in the Customs Act with regard to entering Canada but, nice try.

Gino

[JohnnyHotRocks]

Just relating my personal experiences. As I said before, customs officers seem to interpret the rules differently in many cases.

[digits_]

digits_

The only definition of crew that matters is contained in the Customs Act with regard to entering Canada but, nice try.

Gino

Why? This has nothing to do with paying duty and taxes.

The CBSA is normally tasked with enforcing customs and immigration regulations (90 acts in total apparently). Nowadays enforcing the quarantine act and the COVID rules in particular is added to those tasks: https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/menu-eng.html

Why would they use customs act definitions to apply quarantine regulations? They don't use immigration definitions to apply customs regulations.

[Gino Under]

digits_

Your knowledge of Customs enforcement is obviously lacking.

[anofly]

know a fella,
He drove to border
explained annual situation,to US border type.
said needed plane for work
said canadian govt gave him an extension on annual and showed the "copa type article"
have a safe trip sir.
coming back, 14 days in quarantine, and they phoned him a few times to make sure he was....

[photofly]

How did he get the car home?

[tuqi]

The Public Health Agency of Canada will return email enquiries requesting assistance interpreting emergency Orders in Council made under the Quarantine Act. The invitation to make enquiries together with the email address can be found at:

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/ ... #emergency

[JasonE]

You can fly commercial into the USA without any issue. I did it this week to pickup a vehicle.

[flyingwithpecos]

I have a plane I just bought that is in Minneapolis and I want to fly it back rather than put it in a container. I read the previous topic chats. So has anyone else got a provisional c of r in the last year to get plane back? If so can you send me the process for doing so. Thanks.

[Cessna 180]

I don't know why there is a question on whether or not a pilot on any plane is exempt, it's pretty clear they are.

OIC 2021-0174 under the Quarantine Act says:

crew member means

(a) a crew member as defined in subsection 101.01‍(1) of the Canadian Aviation Regulations or a person who enters Canada only to become such a crew member;

(b) a member of a crew as defined in subsection 3‍(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations or a person who enters Canada only to become such a member of a crew; or

(c) a person who is re-entering Canada after having left to participate in mandatory training in relation to the operation of a conveyance and who is required by their employer to return to work as a crew member on a conveyance within the 14-day period that begins on the day on which they return to Canada. (membre d’équipage)

crew member means a person who is assigned to duty in an aircraft during flight time, or assigned to duty related to the operation of a remotely piloted aircraft system during flight time; (membre d’équipage)

If they really wanted to ban private pilots from flying across the border, they could have, but they didn't. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it law, and just because one CBSA agent says you have to quarantine, doesn't make him correct. They specifically mention the CARs definition of crew, which is anyone flying a plane, a flight attendant, loadmaster, mechanic, etc..

[geneticistx]

A couple things:
I just heard of a GA pilot getting sent to the Trudeau Hilton after arriving back in Canada on a GA flight to the US. Ugly and expensive story.

I suggest you connect with Cardinal Aviation to solve your problem. https://www.cardinalaviation.ca/. RVH will appropriately guide you. I think he has still patriated planes during the pandemic.

It can be done. Without too much issue.

m

[digits_]

A couple things:
I just heard of a GA pilot getting sent to the Trudeau Hilton after arriving back in Canada on a GA flight to the US. Ugly and expensive story.

m

Do you have some more details about that? Did they give the pilot a reason why he couldn't qualify for the crew exemption?

[JasonE]

Lots of people are refusing quarantine and paying the fine ($750) rather than the $2500 hotel bill I hear.

[geneticistx]

A couple things:
I just heard of a GA pilot getting sent to the Trudeau Hilton after arriving back in Canada on a GA flight to the US. Ugly and expensive story.

m

Do you have some more details about that? Did they give the pilot a reason why he couldn't qualify for the crew exemption?

GA, non-commercial, non-training, simply a non-essential trip over the border is why he got sent to the clink.. The GA NOTAM does not remove the hotel requirement. It simply states that GA are not restricted to the major airports.

[digits_]

A couple things:
I just heard of a GA pilot getting sent to the Trudeau Hilton after arriving back in Canada on a GA flight to the US. Ugly and expensive story.

m

Do you have some more details about that? Did they give the pilot a reason why he couldn't qualify for the crew exemption?

GA, non-commercial, non-training, simply a non-essential trip over the border is why he got sent to the clink.. The GA NOTAM does not remove the hotel requirement. It simply states that GA are not restricted to the major airports.

I'm not talking about the notam. Every quarantine order or guideline I've read soo far has always had flight crew exempt. No difference is made there on commercial vs non commercial. So I'm wondering which rule they used to send him to a hotel.