Hello
Currently working on my PPL FW,and am considering adding a instrument rating group 3 single engine when I'm finished that (have tons of cash saved), Next Sept I am training for my CPL Rotor, that being said, When I have my CPL Rotor, how do I add the instrument rating so there it also a helicopter instrument rating, so I would have PPL F/W, IR (Group 3) and CPL R/W, IR (Group 4)?
Thanks.
IFR rating question
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You'll be looking at another flight test, as the type of rating is based on type of aircraft during the ride.
As for additional training time? I believe you can only use half of your f/w time.
I'm sure one of the more experienced CARS crusing guys will post the exact requirements for your, but you'll definitely need a ride for the group 4.
- Isis
As for additional training time? I believe you can only use half of your f/w time.
I'm sure one of the more experienced CARS crusing guys will post the exact requirements for your, but you'll definitely need a ride for the group 4.
- Isis
Keep Flyin'!
All of the instrument training that you receive on the F/W side counts towards your R/W instrument rating. You will need to receive an additional 5 hours of intrument time on R/W aircraft in order to qualify for the Group 4 Instrument rating. I am not a R/W guy so I have no idea if the 5 hours would likely be sufficient to allow you to reach an adequate level of skill to pass a flight test but it is the minimum required from a legal standpoint.
To qualify for the two ratings you will need to do two flight tests -- one on a F/W aircraft for the Group 3 and one on a R/W aircraft for the Group 4. Similarly, to renew the Group 3 you will need to do another ride in a F/W aircraft and to renew the Group 4 you will need to do a flight test in a R/W aircraft.
CAR 421.46 -- Instrument Rating Requirements
2 (b) Experience
An applicant shall have completed a minimum of:
(i) 50 hours of cross-country flight as pilot-in-command in aeroplanes or helicopters of which 10 hours must be in the appropriate category; and
(ii) 40 hours of instrument time of which a maximum of 20 hours may be instrument ground time. The 40 hours instrument time shall include a minimum of:
(A) 5 hours of dual instrument flight time acquired from the holder of a flight instructor rating ,
(B) 5 hours in aeroplanes where the applicant is applying for a Group 1, 2 or 3 instrument rating or in helicopters where the applicant is applying for a Group 4 instrument rating,
(C) Fifteen (15) hours of dual instrument flight time provided by a qualified person as specified in section 425.21(9); and
(amended 1998/03/23; previous version)
(D) one dual cross-country flight under simulated or actual IMC conditions of a minimum of 100 nautical miles, the flight to be conducted in accordance with an IFR flight plan to include at, two different locations, an instrument approach to minima.
To qualify for the two ratings you will need to do two flight tests -- one on a F/W aircraft for the Group 3 and one on a R/W aircraft for the Group 4. Similarly, to renew the Group 3 you will need to do another ride in a F/W aircraft and to renew the Group 4 you will need to do a flight test in a R/W aircraft.
CAR 421.46 -- Instrument Rating Requirements
2 (b) Experience
An applicant shall have completed a minimum of:
(i) 50 hours of cross-country flight as pilot-in-command in aeroplanes or helicopters of which 10 hours must be in the appropriate category; and
(ii) 40 hours of instrument time of which a maximum of 20 hours may be instrument ground time. The 40 hours instrument time shall include a minimum of:
(A) 5 hours of dual instrument flight time acquired from the holder of a flight instructor rating ,
(B) 5 hours in aeroplanes where the applicant is applying for a Group 1, 2 or 3 instrument rating or in helicopters where the applicant is applying for a Group 4 instrument rating,
(C) Fifteen (15) hours of dual instrument flight time provided by a qualified person as specified in section 425.21(9); and
(amended 1998/03/23; previous version)
(D) one dual cross-country flight under simulated or actual IMC conditions of a minimum of 100 nautical miles, the flight to be conducted in accordance with an IFR flight plan to include at, two different locations, an instrument approach to minima.
I know several rotary guys who did the most of the required instrument time in a fixed wing aircraft even though they weren't even licensed on fixed wing aircraft. It's dual anyway.
Do you want to fly SEIFR? If not and your goal is the RW CPL & Group 4 I'd save the money on the extra flight test and flight time and roll right into that.
If you do want both ratings than I would consider starting your VFR RW and doing all your IFR training back to back. It will save you money and time in the end. Just make sure you don't fail your second ride because then you lose both.
Do you want to fly SEIFR? If not and your goal is the RW CPL & Group 4 I'd save the money on the extra flight test and flight time and roll right into that.
If you do want both ratings than I would consider starting your VFR RW and doing all your IFR training back to back. It will save you money and time in the end. Just make sure you don't fail your second ride because then you lose both.
