Implicit bias

[photofly]

We had a long thread recently that covered this, which got locked. Not wanting to repeat the fulsome discussion that was had there, I came across this article today:
https://www.theguardian.com/science/202 ... -to-fix-it

It links to a Harvard University webpage where you can take a test for implict biases (of various kinds). Here's the website if you can't be bothered to read the article:
https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/takeatest.html

The test is really interesting.

[rookiepilot]

Here's another thought. (Just as one part of this discussion)

How many of your close friends are of another race / ethnic background?

Implicit bias, might show up in the answer.

[photofly]

What if you don't have any close friends?

[Bede]

I did that test a few years ago. According to it I have a preference for Blacks so now I can be smug about my implicit anti racist mind....

That test BTW has been widely criticized. First, it primes the test taker to answer a certain way by present questions in a certain order and kot randomizing. Second, there has never been a follow up study demonstrating a correlation between implicit bias and explicit actions & views. Lastly, Blacks tend to show an anti black bias too which supports criticism #1 above. Alas the CRT/SJW crowd just shift the goal posts and claims "internalized racism".

I believe racism exists and have seen numerous situations first hand that I cannot explain with any other explanation. However, when I apply a critical view to the data that the CRT folks present (alternative hypothesis, Occam's razor, etc), it appears that systemic discrimination accounts for far less of the effect as claimed.

[photofly]

I did that test a few years ago. According to it I have a preference for Blacks so now I can be smug about my implicit anti racist mind....

That test BTW has been widely criticized. First, it primes the test taker to answer a certain way by present questions in a certain order and kot randomizing..

Can you elaborate?

[Bede]

The "priming" part? (Or me being smug?:)

[photofly]

No no, you're welcome to be smug. I mean can you elaborate on (or link to) the criticisms of the test.

[ReserveTank]

More trash pop psychology that has infected the once great American educational institutions. If you care about you family, keep them away from these tools of indoctrination and the lunatics that push them.

[‘Bob’]

The easiest way to get rid of biases is to sanitize differences, not point them out.

And I mean in terms of things like hiring, lending, &ct.

Resumes should be inputted to a system that only gives qualifications to HR. No names or addresses which could give clues as to a persons sex, race, age, religion, political beliefs, class, wealth, or any number of other things.

Make interviews through Zoom with voice and appearance altering filters too.

While it may not hide syntax, perhaps that is something that everyone should focus on?

It’s amazing how just being well-spoken... something that’s attainable to practically anyone... can give the impression of “privilege”.

https://youtu.be/SbPG73F3Cck

[Bede]

Its been a few years since I looked at it in any depth. I'm not a psychologist, but know enough to know that a good chunk (~50%) of psychology research is bunk (Google psychology replication crisis).

Anyways, here's a small sample of academic and non academic criticism of IAT's:
https://www.thecut.com/2017/01/psycholo ... e-job.html
https://www.apa.org/monitor/2008/07-08/psychometric

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10. ... pli1504_01

https://psycnet.apa.org/getdoi.cfm?doi=10.1037/a0014665

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... 9464147413

BTW, I didn't read these articles recently. Its been years since I read up on this subject and once the test told me that I like blacks better than whites and Obama better than McCain, I walked away satisfied with my superior racial understanding

[montado]

The easiest way to get rid of biases is to sanitize differences, not point them out.

And I mean in terms of things like hiring, lending, &ct.

Resumes should be inputted to a system that only gives qualifications to HR. No names or addresses which could give clues as to a persons sex, race, age, religion, political beliefs, class, wealth, or any number of other things.

Make interviews through Zoom with voice and appearance altering filters too.

While it may not hide syntax, perhaps that is something that everyone should focus on?

It’s amazing how just being well-spoken... something that’s attainable to practically anyone... can give the impression of “privilege”.

https://youtu.be/SbPG73F3Cck

In today's world of hiring its all the skills you cant list on a resume that you are judged by. At your last job interview were you asked a technical question about your job, or were you asked about the last time a manager made a decision you did not like and how did you deal with it?

Could you imagine owning a business where your only metric to hire was based on the technical skills and education of each candidate? Bias is fortunately (and unfortunately) a very important part of hiring. Its impossible to separate the biases we should be allowed to discriminate against (such as people skills) vs the ones we should not (such as gender).

[‘Bob’]

Did you not read the part I wrote about having a Zoom interview where you can ask all of those questions, but that the voice and picture would be altered to prevent you from identifying the demographic of the person?

[tsgarp]

About as reliable as this...

[YouTube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFR2-oa7Q1U[/YouTube]

[AirFrame]

Resumes should be inputted to a system that only gives qualifications to HR.

This one sentence comprises the largest problems with job hunting today.

First, almost all resumes go through a "system" before they get to the person who needs to see them. A lot of the time, it's computer-based, and automated. The forms that you have to fill out online where you basically regurgitate your resume into their format? Yeah, that's being filtered by software to pick out the keywords in the job posting and match them up. Even a PDF resume will get stripped of the embedded text and that gets run through a filter (tip: Copy and paste the body of the job posting into the "Comments" field of the PDF properties... it won't display unless you go looking for it, but text filters will parse it.).

Second, resumes don't go to the person who needs to see them. They go to an HR department first, that has scant little knowledge of what would make a good employee for a given role. Getting a resume to the actual department manager in charge has become a game of cat and mouse with receptionists and voicemail systems, and even then they frequently tell you to send the resume to the HR department instead.

[FL030]

https://www.hamilton.ca/government-info ... rioritizes
Hamilton opening up vaccines for 18+. As long as you aren't white.

[Pilotdaddy]

https://www.hamilton.ca/government-info ... rioritizes
Hamilton opening up vaccines for 18+. As long as you aren't white.

"From social and demographic data collected by Hamilton Public Health Services, nearly half of all COVID-19 cases in Hamilton (47%) self-identify as a member of a racialized community but racialized people make up less than a quarter (19%) of Hamilton’s total population."

[tsgarp]

https://www.hamilton.ca/government-info ... rioritizes
Hamilton opening up vaccines for 18+. As long as you aren't white.

"From social and demographic data collected by Hamilton Public Health Services, nearly half of all COVID-19 cases in Hamilton (47%) self-identify as a member of a racialized community but racialized people make up less than a quarter (19%) of Hamilton’s total population."

Oh my fucking God. We are 80% of the way to imploding like the former Yugoslavia.

[‘Bob’]

Resumes should be inputted to a system that only gives qualifications to HR.

This one sentence comprises the largest problems with job hunting today.

First, almost all resumes go through a "system" before they get to the person who needs to see them. A lot of the time, it's computer-based, and automated. The forms that you have to fill out online where you basically regurgitate your resume into their format? Yeah, that's being filtered by software to pick out the keywords in the job posting and match them up. Even a PDF resume will get stripped of the embedded text and that gets run through a filter (tip: Copy and paste the body of the job posting into the "Comments" field of the PDF properties... it won't display unless you go looking for it, but text filters will parse it.).

Second, resumes don't go to the person who needs to see them. They go to an HR department first, that has scant little knowledge of what would make a good employee for a given role. Getting a resume to the actual department manager in charge has become a game of cat and mouse with receptionists and voicemail systems, and even then they frequently tell you to send the resume to the HR department instead.

You might have a point... if there were a lack of qualified applicants due to them not being able to navigate an automated system.

But there isn’t. Usually people who really want the job and who have the skills figure it out.

This isn’t for mom and pop operations where you look the CP dead in the eye and give him a firm handshake. There are hundreds of pilots and thousands of applicants and to even have HR wade through them all physically is a gross misappropriation of resources—never mind the CP or anyone in flight operations.

They set their qualifications, the algorithm makes them a list of suitable candidates, they peruse them to make a short list, then they go to the CP or person in operations who is in charge of hiring to see who is the most suitable to bring in for interviews.

But that’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about using the same type of system to get rid of any information which could give a clue as to what demographic this person belongs to.

So that when the black guy says he wasn’t hired because he was black.. they can say that they didn’t know what race he was but his qualifications weren’t the best of the candidates. When a white guy says he wasn’t hired because of affirmative action, they can say the same thing.

But really.. nobody would do this anyways. You don’t get points for virtue signalling if you keep the playing field level.

[AirFrame]

This isn’t for mom and pop operations where you look the CP dead in the eye and give him a firm handshake. There are hundreds of pilots and thousands of applicants and to even have HR wade through them all physically is a gross misappropriation of resources—never mind the CP or anyone in flight operations.

Sorry, you're right, in the specific market of pilot jobs, I agree. That's somewhere that comparing applicants based on metrics alone might be an effective filter. Aviation wasn't mentioned in the comment I replied to, just "interviews." Not everyone here is a commercial pilot looking for their first job.

But that’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about using the same type of system to get rid of any information which could give a clue as to what demographic this person belongs to.

That I agree with. Don't forget to filter out based on age at the same time.

[2R]

Divide et Impera

[Tiberius]

I'm a visible minority / ethnic person / gentlemen of darker hue.

I can say without a doubt that the whole implicit bias, critical race theory, etc is exactly what is is and sounds like: HORSESHITE.

But more importantly, what a lot of ethnic people don't understand is that the days of someone saying "I'm not hiring you / promoting you because you are this or that" are long gone. A racist is more likely to give you a job than they are to deny you one.

It's counterintuitive indeed, but these progressive types who go out of their way to tell everyone how they are "not racist" , and how other people are racist, and how they believe in equity and diversity and such, are the actual racists themselves, and they'll jump at the chance to hire you if you are a person of color. Why? Because in their mind, you now owe them. In their mind, you could have never succeeded on your own without their help, so now that they've hired you, you owe them a favor.

And this will usually bear out when they come to ask you to do something unethical, like falsify quarterly earnings. And guess who takes the fall if they get caught? This was the case with our PM, who is the biggest racist of them all, and that MP from Whitby.

I'll never work for a company that embraces this sort of nonsense. Meritocracy and character are far better barometers for hiring someone.

[montado]

What are your thoughts on the health units who are posting how we need to vaccinate black people first. This is posted in Hamilton where they say black communities are being the most impacted by covid.

To increase vaccine accessibility to those who are disproportionately impacted by COVID-19, Hamilton Public Health Services is prioritizing Black and other racialized populations/people of colour beginning with serving those ages 18+ and live in postal codes L9C, L8W, L8L, L8N and L9K for COVID-19 vaccination

This is racism of the worst kind, but not as it presents itself in the header. This is an example of how people who are left wing (better defined as far left or “WOKE”) are inherently racist, and oddly enough project their intrinsic racism onto others. At a first glance it looks just like a little “Virtue Signalling,” saying, “Hey look how great we are, we are vaccinating black & minority people first to save their lives because they are important!” But in reality, it’s left wing racist garbage called “the bigotry of low expectations (based on race alone)”. Once you understand what is happening its pretty easy to recognize, as its done plain sight. This is a very small example of the bigger picture.

How? Look at the false lies & connections they make

Low income neighbourhoods are disproportionately effected, therefore…

Black & minority ppl = poor
Black & minority ppl = high risk, almost like saying “stay away from them”
Black & minority ppl = more government support and help than the average person, basically saying they are not capable people.

Of course, none of these things are true, but the left wants ppl to believe that these things are true, especially black and minorities so they can exploit them as a voter base. They perpetuate these lies, feeding peoples minds with garbage about the reality of their existence. The narrative that the left perpetuates with extreme force is that black ppl are helpless and need help every step of the way or they simply can’t make it though life without handouts and help. It’s a lie, it’s a form mental slavery, and it’s racism of the worst kind.

Why do they add a race narrative to a vaccination schedule? It has zero relevance, zero. It’s as relevant as eye color, shoe size, or the color of shirt you are wearing that given day. But when you make everything about someones race, you make it a centre point without justification perpetuating lies about minority communities. This sort of narrative has no place in our society, it needs to stop.

[CruiserNU]

I'm a visible minority / ethnic person / gentlemen of darker hue.

I can say without a doubt that the whole implicit bias, critical race theory, etc is exactly what is is and sounds like: HORSESHITE.

But more importantly, what a lot of ethnic people don't understand is that the days of someone saying "I'm not hiring you / promoting you because you are this or that" are long gone. A racist is more likely to give you a job than they are to deny you one.

It's counterintuitive indeed, but these progressive types who go out of their way to everyone how they are "not racist" and believe in equity and diversity and such, are the actual racists, and they'll jump at the chance to hire you if you are a person of color. Why? Because in their mind, you now owe them. In their mind, you could have never succeeded on your own without their help, so now that they've hired you, you owe them a favor.

And this will usually bear out when they come to ask you to do something unethical, like falsify quarterly earnings. And guess who takes the fall if they get caught? This was the case with our PM, who is the biggest racist of them all, and that MP from Whitby.

I'll never work for a company that embraces this sort of nonsense. Meritocracy and character are far better barometers for hiring someone.

We need a "LIKE" button on this website!

[Tiberius]

Racism in vaccination is also horshite. It's all just a sideshow and smokescreen to deflect from how EVERYONE is being disenfranchised bit by bit by woke, leftist nonsense.

[ReserveTank]

...so they can exploit them as a voter base.

This is the very heart of the problem. What the leftist apparatchiks fail to realize is that once they have exploited enough "minority" voters, ALL white people will be severely disenfranchised. Wearing thick-framed glasses and fighting other whites on FB isn't going to save you in the purge.
You see, we're having our own little Russian Revolution right here, and as usual they pit the whites against the whites. But make no mistake, they all get gulag'ed.

The consequences of not knowing history and never reading proper books.