Air travel will suck this summer -blame airlines short sighted layoffs

[McKinley]

https://www.vox.com/the-goods/22550623/ ... id-layoffs

[montado]

Won’t be a problem in Canada, only in America where life is going back to normal. I’m already preparing for closed schools come September because of delta variant and another slow year for travel.

[Mach1]

I prefer to blame the government for short sighted policies that are not based on science. Policies that are based on public opinion polls in 3 cities don't make for proactive management of emergencies.

[RRJetPilot]

Not applicable to Canada in any way. Canada does not believe in science or vaccines. Trudeau and Tam said it themselves last week. Vaccines are not 100% so expect restrictions for the foreseeable future. I think most pilots in Canada should have a backup career plan.

[Inverted2]

Won’t be a problem in Canada, only in America where life is going back to normal. I’m already preparing for closed schools come September because of delta variant and another slow year for travel.

I agree.

[47north]

Won’t be a problem in Canada, only in America where life is going back to normal. I’m already preparing for closed schools come September because of delta variant and another slow year for travel.

Schools were never closed in BC. Majority will be double vaccinated and that will dampen the effect of the variants.

Things will be largely back to normal by September.

[‘Bob’]

Schools were never closed in BC.

[boeingboy]

Whats so funny?

Schools were not closed this school year. We have been able to get a haircut since last summer and masks are coming off in a few weeks. We have only mid double digit cases.

The vast majority of cases are from those who are not vaccinated. I think there will be some good flying this winter.

[montado]

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Delta variant is surging in the UK.

People need to decide if they want lockdowns and masks forever, or are they ready to live with the risk of covid. The vaccine is not a cure. 50 percent of delta variant cases are people fully vaccinated according to one article I read.

Wouldn’t be the least surprised if Ontario schools close again. No way the teachers and their union will allow it if what’s happening in the UK happens here in the fall.

New title for this thread, air travel will suck forever. Once a decade an event takes place that will forever be the basis for creating new idiotic policies that take all the joy away from our jobs. 9/11, German wings, sars, covid etc. The industry will constantly be shaped by these events and it will always be for the worse. Expect mandatory vaccine, temperature checks and masks to all possibly become permanent, just like 9/11 brought many changes to the industry.

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

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Delta variant is surging in the UK.

People need to decide if they want lockdowns and masks forever, or are they ready to live with the risk of covid. The vaccine is not a cure. 50 percent of delta variant cases are people fully vaccinated according to one article I read.

Wouldn’t be the least surprised if Ontario schools close again. No way the teachers and their union will allow it if what’s happening in the UK happens here in the fall.

New title for this thread, air travel will suck forever. Once a decade an event takes place that will forever be the basis for creating new idiotic policies that take all the joy away from our jobs. 9/11, German wings, sars, covid etc. The industry will constantly be shaped by these events and it will always be for the worse. Expect mandatory vaccine, temperature checks and masks to all possibly become permanent, just like 9/11 brought many changes to the industry.

Look at the death rate in the UK. New cases are spiking, but after a month, death rates haven't started to rise that much.

That's the effect of the vaccine... it won't prevent you from getting sick (no vaccine does), but it will reduce your symptoms and severity.

['97 Tercel]

Expect mandatory vaccine, temperature checks and masks to all possibly become permanent, just like 9/11 brought many changes to the industry.

Unfortunately that's exactly what's coming

[JoeShithe]

https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/sing ... e1658f6901

[Heliian]

https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/sing ... e1658f6901

What does this have to do with the post topic?

Move this garbage into the covid pile for all the idiots to argue about.

[valleyboy]

Welcome to the world of airlines. It's simple all companies are run by short sighted bean counters. Nothing will change, even when they are proved wrong more often than not when it comes to layoffs.

I think all people be required to vaccinate and if people choose not to they can't travel or send their kids to school. People need to accept the consequence of their choices.

[telex]

Welcome to the world of airlines. It's simple all companies are run by short sighted bean counters. Nothing will change, even when they are proved wrong more often than not when it comes to layoffs.

I think all people be required to vaccinate and if people choose not to they can't travel or send their kids to school. People need to accept the consequence of their choices.

One more time...

1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.
This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so
situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of
force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and
should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter
involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element
requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there
should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method
and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be
expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his
participation in the experiment.
The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual
who initiates, directs or engages in the

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

Welcome to the world of airlines. It's simple all companies are run by short sighted bean counters. Nothing will change, even when they are proved wrong more often than not when it comes to layoffs.

I think all people be required to vaccinate and if people choose not to they can't travel or send their kids to school. People need to accept the consequence of their choices.

One more time...

1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.
This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so
situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of
force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and
should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter
involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element
requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there
should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method
and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be
expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his
participation in the experiment.
The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual
who initiates, directs or engages in the

Vaccinations are required for children to go to school. This is no different.

If a company requires you be vaccinated and you don't want to be, you can find another company.

[telex]

One more time...

"without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion;"

[montado]

Welcome to the world of airlines. It's simple all companies are run by short sighted bean counters. Nothing will change, even when they are proved wrong more often than not when it comes to layoffs.

I think all people be required to vaccinate and if people choose not to they can't travel or send their kids to school. People need to accept the consequence of their choices.

One more time...

1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.
This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so
situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of
force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and
should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter
involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element
requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there
should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method
and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be
expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his
participation in the experiment.
The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual
who initiates, directs or engages in the

Vaccinations are required for children to go to school. This is no different.

If a company requires you be vaccinated and you don't want to be, you can find another company.

No this is not correct. Not all vaccines are required. The flu vaccine is not.

So if you want the covid vaccine to be mandatory, we should ask why is the flu shot not? Is the flu more or less deadly to a school age kid?

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

One more time...

1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.
This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so
situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of
force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and
should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter
involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element
requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there
should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method
and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be
expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his
participation in the experiment.
The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual
who initiates, directs or engages in the

Vaccinations are required for children to go to school. This is no different.

If a company requires you be vaccinated and you don't want to be, you can find another company.

No this is not correct. Not all vaccines are required. The flu vaccine is not.

So if you want the covid vaccine to be mandatory, we should ask why is the flu shot not? Is the flu more or less deadly to a school age kid?

The flu shot changes every year to target the most likely strains. The other vaccines are more of a one and done.

[telex]

Vaccinations are required for children to go to school.

Name the vaccinations which are required for children to go to school.

[CpnCrunch]

Vaccinations are required for children to go to school.

Name the vaccinations which are required for children to go to school.

MMR for one, but it depends on the province:

https://healthydebate.ca/2014/05/topic/ ... cinations/

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

Vaccinations are required for children to go to school.

Name the vaccinations which are required for children to go to school.

@#$!, I didn't study for this. I'm sorry... I'm cheating on this one.

Children and adolescents attending primary or secondary school in Ontario must have proof of immunization against the following designated diseases:

Diphtheria
Tetanus
Polio
Measles
Mumps
Rubella
Meningococcal Disease
Pertussis (whooping cough)
Varicella (chickenpox) – for children born in 2010 or later

https://www.health.gov.on.ca/en/pro/pro ... /ispa.aspx

[montado]

The flu shot changes every year to target the most likely strains. The other vaccines are more of a one and done.

What does that have to do with anything? I don’t care if it’s one dose or five. I don’t care if it changes every year. What I’m asking is if the flu is deadly, and covid is deadly, on what basis would one be mandatory and the other not? If covid was 10x more deadly maybe you have an argument, but this is not the case. Why is it my child would be required to take a covid vaccine to protect everyone, yet you would think it’s okay to not make the flu vaccine mandatory when my child is just as likely to have fatal consequences from getting the flu? This would be like making it law that sedans must have air bags, but pickup trucks are exempt. Completely illogical if you ask me, but maybe you have a reason?

I talked the an employment lawyer who said employer’s can make a covid vaccine mandatory… I asked why the flu vaccine is not mandatory also… you know what is dumb answer was? He said covid caused the world to shut down, therefore it can be mandatory…. I let him know that was pretty ridiculous… politicians decided the world should shut down, covid didn’t decide that. Politicians could just as easily say masks are mandatory during flu season and they could just as easily close schools for flu season.

The only logical way I see this is what is the chance of fatality? If covid and flu are pretty much the same for some age demographics, then policy should be equal.

If people want mandatory covid vaccine I think we need to look at flu deaths and determine if flu deaths matter, and then maybe the flu vaccine should be held to the same terms as covid.

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

The flu shot changes every year to target the most likely strains. The other vaccines are more of a one and done.

What does that have to do with anything? I don’t care if it’s one dose or five. I don’t care if it changes every year. What I’m asking is if the flu is deadly, and covid is deadly, on what basis would one be mandatory and the other not? If covid was 10x more deadly maybe you have an argument, but this is not the case. Why is it my child would be required to take a covid vaccine to protect everyone, yet you would think it’s okay to not make the flu vaccine mandatory when my child is just as likely to have fatal consequences from getting the flu? This would be like making it law that sedans must have air bags, but pickup trucks are exempt. Completely illogical if you ask me, but maybe you have a reason?

I talked the an employment lawyer who said employer’s can make a covid vaccine mandatory… I asked why the flu vaccine is not mandatory also… you know what is dumb answer was? He said covid caused the world to shut down, therefore it can be mandatory…. I let him know that was pretty ridiculous… politicians decided the world should shut down, covid didn’t decide that. Politicians could just as easily say masks are mandatory during flu season and they could just as easily close schools for flu season.

The only logical way I see this is what is the chance of fatality? If covid and flu are pretty much the same for some age demographics, then policy should be equal.

If people want mandatory covid vaccine I think we need to look at flu deaths and determine if flu deaths matter, and then maybe the flu vaccine should be held to the same terms as covid.

The flu is irrelevant. You've decided to use that as your reasoning as to why COVID vaccines should not be mandatory.

The fact is, an employer can mandate that their active employees are vaccinated. If you are unable to be vaccinated due to medical reasons, they must come up with an accommodation for you. There is no "I don't want it" excuse in the law... if you don't want it, don't get it, but know the risks of not getting it.

[oldncold]

Getting the covid vaccine yeah or nay is a matter of personal freedom guaranteed under the charter. HOWEVER since we have a [b]publicly funded health care system and the availability of the vaccines will be a matter of routine by next year.

I would like to suggest that those that refuse to get the vaccine for anything other than legit medical reasons as of next april 01 2022(april fools day) and get sick from covid and need hospitalization and icu should also have private medical insurance to pay for their stay in hospital and icu .

The hard working tax payers of the country incomes has taken a sh..kicking thru this pandemic including many in the av biz. should not have to foot the tab huge million dollar hospital bill per individual when there is a scientifically recognized vaccines that prevent the extreme effects of covid. there for the small minority of intransigent. the provincial govt should instruct unvaccinated covid patients THAT THEY WILL NEED PRIVATE MEDICAL INSURANCE after april 1 NEXT YEAR. the ole story money talks bs walks this should drive those idealogical zealots to comply or pay up . then the vaccine rate will likely arrive at the 95percent the same as the effective ness of both doses . vaccinated folks that still get covid sick of course they should treated at no cost because they did all that was reasonably expected