Air travel will suck this summer -blame airlines short sighted layoffs

[montado]

The flu is irrelevant. You've decided to use that as your reasoning as to why COVID vaccines should not be mandatory.

The fact is, an employer can mandate that their active employees are vaccinated. If you are unable to be vaccinated due to medical reasons, they must come up with an accommodation for you. There is no "I don't want it" excuse in the law... if you don't want it, don't get it, but know the risks of not getting it.

Well not exactly. Government can’t impose rules without some form of justification. So I used influenza as a baseline to help understand whether covid vaccines should be mandatory or not.

For example, the government can’t close churches indefinitely and say people can’t practice religion because it’s unsafe, meanwhile keep all other services open like schools etc. They would need to provide evidence that this is needed, and they need to continue to assess the situation to see what changes need to happen. Do you think the government could just stand up today and say “church is not important and because of covid all churches must close forever because covid will be around forever and by closing church we save lives”

So as with my church example, covid and its vaccine will be continually scrutinized and compared to other diseases and vaccines. If the most abundant variants turn out to be just like a cold and not so deadly, then inoculation should be held to the same standards as comparable diseases. Covid is closest to the flu, so don’t expect mandatory covid vaccine for kids specifically to school. If you believe covid vaccine should be mandatory for school kids, it would only be consistent and logical to also believe the flu vaccine should be mandatory.

[withthewesterlies]

Really good article that gives an excellent perspective on how airlines in the USA took advantage of the pandemic to cut staff and reshape their businesses in a ways that just were not possible before the pandemic. This included a lot of outsourcing to contractors that I am sure will save the airlines huge amounts of money in the long term at the expense of good paying stable jobs. Also that all these airlines were wrong about how long demand would be suppressed by the pandemic and therefore laid off to many employees not just pilots. We have to remember that pilots were very lucky during the pandemic and experienced a small fraction of the job losses that other employee groups did. Poor flight attendants. Because of these short sighted layoffs airlines are now struggling to meet demand as it quickly recovers. Even if you do not believe it now this will be the future in Canada very shortly.

knock on wood

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

The flu is irrelevant. You've decided to use that as your reasoning as to why COVID vaccines should not be mandatory.

The fact is, an employer can mandate that their active employees are vaccinated. If you are unable to be vaccinated due to medical reasons, they must come up with an accommodation for you. There is no "I don't want it" excuse in the law... if you don't want it, don't get it, but know the risks of not getting it.

Well not exactly. Government can’t impose rules without some form of justification. So I used influenza as a baseline to help understand whether covid vaccines should be mandatory or not.

For example, the government can’t close churches indefinitely and say people can’t practice religion because it’s unsafe, meanwhile keep all other services open like schools etc. They would need to provide evidence that this is needed, and they need to continue to assess the situation to see what changes need to happen. Do you think the government could just stand up today and say “church is not important and because of covid all churches must close forever because covid will be around forever and by closing church we save lives”

So as with my church example, covid and its vaccine will be continually scrutinized and compared to other diseases and vaccines. If the most abundant variants turn out to be just like a cold and not so deadly, then inoculation should be held to the same standards as comparable diseases. Covid is closest to the flu, so don’t expect mandatory covid vaccine for kids specifically to school. If you believe covid vaccine should be mandatory for school kids, it would only be consistent and logical to also believe the flu vaccine should be mandatory.

What do you mean the government can't do that stuff? Trudeau's government was just publicly defying the senate.

[tbaylx]

Won’t be a problem in Canada, only in America where life is going back to normal. I’m already preparing for closed schools come September because of delta variant and another slow year for travel.

I agree.

You aren't' paying attention to what's happening in Canada then. Forward bookings are going up at an exponential rate, loads have doubled in the last few weeks, wait lines at security, terminals busy. People aren't waiting till the government tells them, once they started to feel safe the first wave of travelers have already started.

We're several weeks behind the USA but its coming here too.

[telex]

Getting the covid vaccine yeah or nay is a matter of personal freedom guaranteed under the charter. HOWEVER since we have a publicly funded health care system and the availability of the vaccines will be a matter of routine by next year.

I would like to suggest that those that refuse to get the vaccine for anything other than legit medical reasons as of next april 01 2022(april fools day) and get sick from covid and need hospitalization and icu should also have private medical insurance to pay for their stay in hospital and icu .

The hard working tax payers of the country incomes has taken a sh..kicking thru this pandemic including many in the av biz. should not have to foot the tab huge million dollar hospital bill per individual when there is a scientifically recognized vaccines that prevent the extreme effects of covid. there for the small minority of intransigent. the provincial govt should instruct unvaccinated covid patients THAT THEY WILL NEED PRIVATE MEDICAL INSURANCE after april 1 NEXT YEAR. the ole story money talks bs walks this should drive those idealogical zealots to comply or pay up . then the vaccine rate will likely arrive at the 95percent the same as the effective ness of both doses . vaccinated folks that still get covid sick of course they should treated at no cost because they did all that was reasonably expected

Do these words mean anything to you?

Fundamental freedoms – section 2
2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:

freedom of conscience and religion;
freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;
freedom of peaceful assembly; and
freedom of association.

They come from the highest law in all of Canada.

They protect me from people like you.

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[goldeneagle]

Fundamental freedoms – section 2
2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:

When my parents took me to Europe in the late 60's, we had to provide proof of vaccination upon entry. When I went to Europe in the 80's, it was no longer required, because it was assumed that folks who grew up in Canada in the 60's and later got all the required vaccinations in school. If I want to go visit family in Europe next fall, almost certainly proof of a covid vaccination will be an entry requirement.

You can go on all you want, but for most in the aviation world it wont make any difference. Proof of vaccination will be an entry requirement for most countries in the world. If you want to work for an airline, you will be required to meet the entry requirements of the countries to which they send you. Proof of covid vaccination will be just another requirement, same as the ability to hold an RAIC. There really is no wiggle room for flight crew, if it's an entry requirement of the country you are flying into, nothing the airline can do to make an accomodation for somebody that doesn't want to be vaccinated.

[telex]

Fundamental freedoms – section 2
2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:

When my parents took me to Europe in the late 60's, we had to provide proof of vaccination upon entry. When I went to Europe in the 80's, it was no longer required, because it was assumed that folks who grew up in Canada in the 60's and later got all the required vaccinations in school. If I want to go visit family in Europe next fall, almost certainly proof of a covid vaccination will be an entry requirement.

You can go on all you want, but for most in the aviation world it wont make any difference. Proof of vaccination will be an entry requirement for most countries in the world. If you want to work for an airline, you will be required to meet the entry requirements of the countries to which they send you. Proof of covid vaccination will be just another requirement, same as the ability to hold an RAIC. There really is no wiggle room for flight crew, if it's an entry requirement of the country you are flying into, nothing the airline can do to make an accomodation for somebody that doesn't want to be vaccinated.

Nice story Dad, thanks for sharing.

What vaccinations did you have to provide proof of upon entry?

Was it an experimental substance that was not approved?

[Flight94]

I would like to suggest that those that refuse to get the vaccine for anything other than legit medical reasons as of next april 01 2022(april fools day) and get sick from covid and need hospitalization and icu should also have private medical insurance to pay for their stay in hospital and icu .

How about smokers, alcoholics, drug users, dangerous drivers, motorcyclists, the obese, fast food lovers etc?

Will only organically fed vegan marathon runners be eligible for public health? Where do you draw the line?

[montado]

I would like to suggest that those that refuse to get the vaccine for anything other than legit medical reasons as of next april 01 2022(april fools day) and get sick from covid and need hospitalization and icu should also have private medical insurance to pay for their stay in hospital and icu .

How about smokers, alcoholics, drug users, dangerous drivers, motorcyclists, the obese, fast food lovers etc?

Will only organically fed vegan marathon runners be eligible for public health? Where do you draw the line?

I also vote for complete anarchy. I’m sick of everyone’s idiotic opinions and ability to vote for politicians that make decisions on my behalf. Democracy is a joke. Not only should everyone taking an ICU bed with covid have to pay their own way… I say all hospitalizations, education etc… everything should be privatized.

I completely get it. You are sick and tired of other people’s opinions and choices that don’t conform to your opinions and choices. So let’s break up this idiotic government! No more taxes, no more law, hunger games here we come! Why even ask where they draw the line? @#$! their opinions, they draw the line at what’s convenient for them… take everything away from them and fend for yourselves! Obesity costs our tax payers WAY more than covid. First thing we should do is put all the obese people on private healthcare. Watch the premiums soar with all the heart disease.

I’m on board… oldncold didn’t make me flinch… he thought we would all shake in our boots if we lost our “free healthcare”

[valleyboy]

"without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion;"

And their lies the problem - I have heard this argument when the no smoking revolution took place.

It's not about human rights and most on this band wagon are simply just shit scared from bullshit social media and internet trolls.

[Julian.B]

Whoa whoa! Easy there comrade!

The Democratic People's Republic of Kanadistan first needs to open up the country to its citizens. Dear Leader, the provincial politburo and their puppets have no intention letting go of this power and spotlight. This is something straight out of an Orwellian novel (1984), but we're too distracted to to see it. Good thing we all have Netflix...

[altiplano]

I would like to suggest that those that refuse to get the vaccine for anything other than legit medical reasons as of next april 01 2022(april fools day) and get sick from covid and need hospitalization and icu should also have private medical insurance to pay for their stay in hospital and icu .

How about smokers, alcoholics, drug users, dangerous drivers, motorcyclists, the obese, fast food lovers etc?

Will only organically fed vegan marathon runners be eligible for public health? Where do you draw the line?

I also vote for complete anarchy. I’m sick of everyone’s idiotic opinions and ability to vote for politicians that make decisions on my behalf. Democracy is a joke. Not only should everyone taking an ICU bed with covid have to pay their own way… I say all hospitalizations, education etc… everything should be privatized.

I completely get it. You are sick and tired of other people’s opinions and choices that don’t conform to your opinions and choices. So let’s break up this idiotic government! No more taxes, no more law, hunger games here we come! Why even ask where they draw the line? @#$! their opinions, they draw the line at what’s convenient for them… take everything away from them and fend for yourselves! Obesity costs our tax payers WAY more than covid. First thing we should do is put all the obese people on private healthcare. Watch the premiums soar with all the heart disease.

I’m on board… oldncold didn’t make me flinch… he thought we would all shake in our boots if we lost our “free healthcare”

Not anarchy. Libertarian.

$20K a year or so for private health insurance will be a great bargain versus what I get for my money now - nothing.

I'll actually be able to see a doctor when I'm sick, get a test without a wait, or see a specialist when it's needed. As is I pay 6 figures plus in mixed taxes for no healthcare service.

I had to bring my kid in for something recently, family doctor won't see us, went to the emergency and spent 10 hours waiting to see someone... in the end we saw the doctor for about 7 or 8 minutes...

Not to mention our crumbling education system... the waste in the public service... misdirected policing resources... inefficient procurement on everything from public contracts to military equipment... billions after billions in failed indigenous programs and policies of with no end in sight... the government waste of our money and the money of future generations is staggering. Million dollar study after million dollar study to do nothing, achieve no benefit.

The levels of government and their skyrocketing debts, failed and failing policies, and continued entrenchment need to be beat back.

[Julian.B]

I agree with everything altiplano said. Yup. and Yup!

[Inverted2]

Yep he nailed it. And here’s another gift from the Lieberals:

https://www.cp24.com/news/liberals-say- ... -1.5490475

Forced electric vehicles for everyone. Or at least those elites who will be able to afford them. I’m sure our electric grid can support this.

China will loving all those lithium battery sales.

[montado]

When you have zero choice but to pay for a service you end up with garbage. My last hospital experience was taking my son to urgent care because we were after hours to go see the family doctor. Sitting in triage just completely ignored by staff for half hour. You could see they were not very busy, they would talk loud enough you could hear them chat about who gets to go for lunch when etc… they don’t even look at you or offer a “I’ll be with you after…” zero customer service. Bare minimum. Because no one holds them accountable and they don’t have to fight for your business. This is all paid for by the low price of half our money going to taxes.

100 percent would prefer to have choice. The moment you have choice that means people need accountability. The amount of waste is insane. I find it hilarious when people bring up “if you do “x”, you should not get health care”… bring it on! I’m ready for it, abolish our system so we can all make our own choices.

[RightPlaceWrongTime]

I would like to suggest that those that refuse to get the vaccine for anything other than legit medical reasons as of next april 01 2022(april fools day) and get sick from covid and need hospitalization and icu should also have private medical insurance to pay for their stay in hospital and icu .

How about smokers, alcoholics, drug users, dangerous drivers, motorcyclists, the obese, fast food lovers etc?

Will only organically fed vegan marathon runners be eligible for public health? Where do you draw the line?

I also vote for complete anarchy. I’m sick of everyone’s idiotic opinions and ability to vote for politicians that make decisions on my behalf. Democracy is a joke. Not only should everyone taking an ICU bed with covid have to pay their own way… I say all hospitalizations, education etc… everything should be privatized.

I completely get it. You are sick and tired of other people’s opinions and choices that don’t conform to your opinions and choices. So let’s break up this idiotic government! No more taxes, no more law, hunger games here we come! Why even ask where they draw the line? @#$! their opinions, they draw the line at what’s convenient for them… take everything away from them and fend for yourselves! Obesity costs our tax payers WAY more than covid. First thing we should do is put all the obese people on private healthcare. Watch the premiums soar with all the heart disease.

I’m on board… oldncold didn’t make me flinch… he thought we would all shake in our boots if we lost our “free healthcare”

+1.

Agreed. When 85% of hospitalizations, deaths and severe COVID cases have been obese/overweight its very clear COVID was not our real problem but simply rocket fuel being sprayed on the dumpster fire. CBC's nightly fear pieces are still being followed by Coca-Cola, Doritos, and Oreo flavour of the month commercials. Yet they say "We're doing everything we can." What a joke. When are they going to have a $1 million dollar lottery for healthy diet, exercise and proper sleep? At the very least we could have been filling those commercial slots with reminders that obesity kills. Maybe some healthy meal ideas and at home exercises instead. But that doesn't create shareholder value for Big Food/Pharma. But looking at our politicians its pretty clear they are completely clueless about real health. Doug Ford and Nenshi are looking a little "At Risk" these days.

The body positivity movement is a scam, BIG is NOT beautiful, it is a hazard to your health. The obesity epidemic is a food addiction problem that we're treating with positive reinforcement. Imagine if we told alcoholics and smokers that their dangerous behaviour was "beautiful" and they should be proud of their impending deterioration. People have to take some responsibility for their own health otherwise Mother Nature will find you.

Society is delusional.

[kgb531]

Getting the covid vaccine yeah or nay is a matter of personal freedom guaranteed under the charter. HOWEVER since we have a publicly funded health care system and the availability of the vaccines will be a matter of routine by next year.

I would like to suggest that those that refuse to get the vaccine for anything other than legit medical reasons as of next april 01 2022(april fools day) and get sick from covid and need hospitalization and icu should also have private medical insurance to pay for their stay in hospital and icu .

The hard working tax payers of the country incomes has taken a sh..kicking thru this pandemic including many in the av biz. should not have to foot the tab huge million dollar hospital bill per individual when there is a scientifically recognized vaccines that prevent the extreme effects of covid. there for the small minority of intransigent. the provincial govt should instruct unvaccinated covid patients THAT THEY WILL NEED PRIVATE MEDICAL INSURANCE after april 1 NEXT YEAR. the ole story money talks bs walks this should drive those idealogical zealots to comply or pay up . then the vaccine rate will likely arrive at the 95percent the same as the effective ness of both doses . vaccinated folks that still get covid sick of course they should treated at no cost because they did all that was reasonably expected

Do these words mean anything to you?

Fundamental freedoms – section 2
2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:

freedom of conscience and religion;
freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;
freedom of peaceful assembly; and
freedom of association.

They come from the highest law in all of Canada.

They protect me from people like you.

stalin.jpeg

Maybe read and then re-read Section 1. There's a reason you're not a lawyer and it's not the reason you think it is.

[kgb531]

How about smokers, alcoholics, drug users, dangerous drivers, motorcyclists, the obese, fast food lovers etc?

Will only organically fed vegan marathon runners be eligible for public health? Where do you draw the line?

I also vote for complete anarchy. I’m sick of everyone’s idiotic opinions and ability to vote for politicians that make decisions on my behalf. Democracy is a joke. Not only should everyone taking an ICU bed with covid have to pay their own way… I say all hospitalizations, education etc… everything should be privatized.

I completely get it. You are sick and tired of other people’s opinions and choices that don’t conform to your opinions and choices. So let’s break up this idiotic government! No more taxes, no more law, hunger games here we come! Why even ask where they draw the line? @#$! their opinions, they draw the line at what’s convenient for them… take everything away from them and fend for yourselves! Obesity costs our tax payers WAY more than covid. First thing we should do is put all the obese people on private healthcare. Watch the premiums soar with all the heart disease.

I’m on board… oldncold didn’t make me flinch… he thought we would all shake in our boots if we lost our “free healthcare”

Not anarchy. Libertarian.

$20K a year or so for private health insurance will be a great bargain versus what I get for my money now - nothing.

I'll actually be able to see a doctor when I'm sick, get a test without a wait, or see a specialist when it's needed. As is I pay 6 figures plus in mixed taxes for no healthcare service.

I had to bring my kid in for something recently, family doctor won't see us, went to the emergency and spent 10 hours waiting to see someone... in the end we saw the doctor for about 7 or 8 minutes...

Not to mention our crumbling education system... the waste in the public service... misdirected policing resources... inefficient procurement on everything from public contracts to military equipment... billions after billions in failed indigenous programs and policies of with no end in sight... the government waste of our money and the money of future generations is staggering. Million dollar study after million dollar study to do nothing, achieve no benefit.

The levels of government and their skyrocketing debts, failed and failing policies, and continued entrenchment need to be beat back.

Lol. Pays "6 digits in taxes". If that was true you wouldn't be on a forum whining constantly.
You work in a service industry, like a server or taxi driver. You are at the mercy of the industry's market conditions. Canadians aren't flying because they are waiting for an official ok to do so, they are waiting until they are comfortable to fly and also whether they are comfortable flying to either continental or intercontinental destinations. The ones who don't care have been flying throughout the last 16 months. The rest will be back soon enough. And on the health care side, there's a reason no other large economy nation has emulated the US model of healthcare.

[altiplano]

I also vote for complete anarchy. I’m sick of everyone’s idiotic opinions and ability to vote for politicians that make decisions on my behalf. Democracy is a joke. Not only should everyone taking an ICU bed with covid have to pay their own way… I say all hospitalizations, education etc… everything should be privatized.

I completely get it. You are sick and tired of other people’s opinions and choices that don’t conform to your opinions and choices. So let’s break up this idiotic government! No more taxes, no more law, hunger games here we come! Why even ask where they draw the line? @#$! their opinions, they draw the line at what’s convenient for them… take everything away from them and fend for yourselves! Obesity costs our tax payers WAY more than covid. First thing we should do is put all the obese people on private healthcare. Watch the premiums soar with all the heart disease.

I’m on board… oldncold didn’t make me flinch… he thought we would all shake in our boots if we lost our “free healthcare”

Not anarchy. Libertarian.

$20K a year or so for private health insurance will be a great bargain versus what I get for my money now - nothing.

I'll actually be able to see a doctor when I'm sick, get a test without a wait, or see a specialist when it's needed. As is I pay 6 figures plus in mixed taxes for no healthcare service.

I had to bring my kid in for something recently, family doctor won't see us, went to the emergency and spent 10 hours waiting to see someone... in the end we saw the doctor for about 7 or 8 minutes...

Not to mention our crumbling education system... the waste in the public service... misdirected policing resources... inefficient procurement on everything from public contracts to military equipment... billions after billions in failed indigenous programs and policies of with no end in sight... the government waste of our money and the money of future generations is staggering. Million dollar study after million dollar study to do nothing, achieve no benefit.

The levels of government and their skyrocketing debts, failed and failing policies, and continued entrenchment need to be beat back.

Lol. Pays "6 digits in taxes". If that was true you wouldn't be on a forum whining constantly.
You work in a service industry, like a server or taxi driver. You are at the mercy of the industry's market conditions. Canadians aren't flying because they are waiting for an official ok to do so, they are waiting until they are comfortable to fly and also whether they are comfortable flying to either continental or intercontinental destinations. The ones who don't care have been flying throughout the last 16 months. The rest will be back soon enough. And on the health care side, there's a reason no other large economy nation has emulated the US model of healthcare.

Hahaha..

You must be poor. Piss off Commie.

Taxes? Yeah.

"Market conditions?" No, that's not "market" when Trudeau and what's her name are porking it.

The US is the most successful national model in the history of Earth. I'd take guaranteed high level healthcare for $15-20k/an in a minute over our wait in line high tax welfare state.

[oldncold]

FIRST to all on the forum HAPPY Canada day !!! this DAY is to celebrate the history good And not good TO RESPECT OUR ELDERS AND VETERAN S WHO FOUGHT AND DIED SO WE CAN> debate /argue And PONTIFICATE ABOUT THE FUTURE. to those that say cancel my country day of independence GO @#$! YOUR SELF , thou we live in a country of left wing nanny state cancel culture, with creeping communist overtones. WE STILL LIVE , BORN AND or IMMIGRATED TO A COUNTRY OF OPPORTUNITY . you my be broke but never poor in Canada . Scoff at that ? look around you can always find a meal or a helping hand here in Canada > poor is Chad, Sudan or a host of other failed nation states. .being poor is lack of opportunity to improve

NEXT thank you you to those whom read my post. and had the intelligence to understand that my suggestion for those intransigent zealots %(religious,ideological or other) refusing to get the covid vaccine should be required to have private healthcare insurance .. it was about the dichotomy of having a free society juxtaposed against a middle-class taxpayer funded publicly funded heath care system. whos incomes have been crushed during this pandemic. OF course within our society the individual has the right to refuse . HOWEVER the taxpayer should also have the same right to refuse payment for that individuals moronic ideological refusal to get the covid vaccine. not to tell anyone how to live.
,
STAY COOL, FLY SAFE, GET VACCINATED . MOVE FORWARD // REGARDS OLDN COLD

[montado]

NEXT thank you you to those whom read my post. and had the intelligence to understand that my suggestion for those intransigent zealots %(religious,ideological or other) refusing to get the covid vaccine should be required to have private healthcare insurance .. it was about the dichotomy of having a free society juxtaposed against a middle-class taxpayer funded publicly funded heath care system. whos incomes have been crushed during this pandemic. OF course within our society the individual has the right to refuse . HOWEVER the taxpayer should also have the same right to refuse payment for that individuals moronic ideological refusal to get the covid vaccine. not to tell anyone how to live.
STAY COOL, FLY SAFE, GET VACCINATED . MOVE FORWARD // REGARDS OLDN COLD

The religious thinkers can’t even see it. Like a pastor Anthony Fauci said things like “wear masks for 6 weeks to stop the curve”. Listen to all the policy that has been talked about this past year and it sounds just like a pastor reading a verse from the bible. People follow this blindly. “Follow the experts” is just like “have faith and hope”

Does anyone how how to continue to challenge and update their understandings? You think I was anti mask when this first started? Of course not, I bought a bunch of masks because I didn’t know any better and I wanted to be safe. Didn’t take long at all to see how this became political religion.

It takes religious thinking to be inconsistent and completely illogical. For example the “political left” are pro choice. Abortion is okay. Abortion is not something I could do, but I respect that people should have freedoms and liberties. If you want an abortion, and you can find a doctor to complete the procedure, then why should I have any opinion or say in that? Yet the same people who are pro choice, don’t think you should have the choice to decide whether you wear a mask or not. Why the inconsistency? It take religious thinkers for this. It’s not logical, they just listen to the pastor to decide for everyone and we are asked to trust and have faith.

Why do you think you as the tax payer have any choice? Have you never been to church? You give your 10 percent and you have faith that your contribution is being used for the right things. This is where we are at, we are all blindly giving our tax dollars away to fund the political religious covid policies. Trudope scandal PM will blow all your money like a pastor who buys private jets. If you are in Ontario, buck a beer ford will keep you locked down because politically he think this will score him the most political points to win another election. Funny to watch the political left try to mix their socialist communist views with freedoms and liberties. They are all inconsistent and brainwashed religious thinkers, but they claim “science” and “miss information”. Well trained by the media.

[valleyboy]

Clearly the health care system is broken and when you need additional 3rd party insurance for full coverage if you are out of your home province in canada, that says it all.

It might have been the liberals but health care, same as transportation should be federal not provincial.

I'm a federalist and the provinces simply have too much power in canada.

I'm sure the rest of the now and then rotational pilot group you become very aware it's actually illegal to own and drive a personal vehicle in more than one province as a private citizen.

[Old fella]

Clearly the health care system is broken and when you need additional 3rd party insurance for full coverage if you are out of your home province in canada, that says it all.

It might have been the liberals but health care, same as transportation should be federal not provincial.

I'm a federalist and the provinces simply have too much power in canada.

I'm sure the rest of the now and then rotational pilot group you become very aware it's actually illegal to own and drive a personal vehicle in more than one province as a private citizen.

Quite right on Provincial powers, make no wonder a National Medicare system is so fucked up, imagine Trudeau Jr trying to get that through in 2021 in lieu of Mike Pearson ‘65/66. I can’t have a six pack of excellent Angel’s Gate Viognier from Niagara on the Lake sent directly to my home address due Provincial inter trade restrictions. That says it all.