notwhoyouthinkIam wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 6:18 am
For those who are still commenting support for Tony, his bullying tactics, and overall toxicity, I would like to point out that his account appears to have been removed from this website.
It's so messed up that you guys reached that point (Tony vs ACPA) and for taking this fight on a crap forum such as AVCANADA, where everyone is venting their frustrations anonymously, me included. I believe he was bullied, 100%, but I also think he should not have brought this into the public forum. It should have been dealt in private (internal union, company, etc).
I have no stake in his battle with ACPA. I pointed out to him that while he is claiming that people are defaming him, he had posted at least two videos of himself being an asshole while on video chat with the union.
When he proceeded to tell me that I was defaming him and posted veiled threats of a lawsuit, I stood up to him.
I have no idea whether he has a legitimate case or not against ACPA, but based on his comments and the judgement from the arbitrator in November 2020 (https://www.canlii.org/en/ca/cala/doc/2 ... 96909.html), I have come to my own conclusion that he is a toxic person who is bullying others to try to get his way.
notwhoyouthinkIam wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 6:18 am
For those who are still commenting support for Tony, his bullying tactics, and overall toxicity, I would like to point out that his account appears to have been removed from this website.
It's so messed up that you guys reached that point (Tony vs ACPA) and for taking this fight on a crap forum such as AVCANADA, where everyone is venting their frustrations anonymously, me included. I believe he was bullied, 100%, but I also think he should not have brought this into the public forum. It should have been dealt in private (internal union, company, etc).
I have no stake in his battle with ACPA. I pointed out to him that while he is claiming that people are defaming him, he had posted at least two videos of himself being an asshole while on video chat with the union.
When he proceeded to tell me that I was defaming him and posted veiled threats of a lawsuit, I stood up to him.
I have no idea whether he has a legitimate case or not against ACPA, but based on his comments and the judgement from the arbitrator in November 2020 (https://www.canlii.org/en/ca/cala/doc/2 ... 96909.html), I have come to my own conclusion that he is a toxic person who is bullying others to try to get his way.
Neither do I. I don't work for AC, nor do I have any plan to. I agree with you. It was not dealt with it properly.
It's so messed up that you guys reached that point (Tony vs ACPA) and for taking this fight on a crap forum such as AVCANADA, where everyone is venting their frustrations anonymously, me included. I believe he was bullied, 100%, but I also think he should not have brought this into the public forum. It should have been dealt in private (internal union, company, etc).
I have no stake in his battle with ACPA. I pointed out to him that while he is claiming that people are defaming him, he had posted at least two videos of himself being an asshole while on video chat with the union.
When he proceeded to tell me that I was defaming him and posted veiled threats of a lawsuit, I stood up to him.
I have no idea whether he has a legitimate case or not against ACPA, but based on his comments and the judgement from the arbitrator in November 2020 (https://www.canlii.org/en/ca/cala/doc/2 ... 96909.html), I have come to my own conclusion that he is a toxic person who is bullying others to try to get his way.
Neither do I. I don't work for AC, nor do I have any plan to. I agree with you. It was not dealt with it properly.
I'm sorry, I had interpreted your comment in a different way than it seems you intended it.
Lt. Daniel Kaffee wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 4:13 pm
I guess you guys better move on and find a better job and a better union since you have figured out the next 15 years.
Lt. Dan - haven't you been promoted yet as the official Baghdad Bob of ACPA?
Even the real Baghdad Bob eventually got out of Iraq
Lt. Daniel Kaffee wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 4:13 pm
I guess you guys better move on and find a better job and a better union since you have figured out the next 15 years.
Lt. Dan - haven't you been promoted yet as the official Baghdad Bob of ACPA?
Even the real Baghdad Bob eventually got out of Iraq
Hahahaha! I literally spilled my beer over my keyboard reading that!
"My information was correct, but my interpretations were not," he explained.
But in retrospect, the opposite seems truer. Sahaf had bad information, sure, but several of his more ludicrous predictions have since come true--some in the ways he meant, and, more chillingly, some in ways no one (else) could have foreseen.
notwhoyouthinkIam wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:53 am
The unfortunate thing about this for Tony is that, had he not been so proud of his actions and broadcast it to the world, his career might not be in jeopardy. I cannot imagine anyone would hire him after a reference check with Air Canada.
It's comments like this that make me even more concerned. "notwhoyouthinkIam" is obviously very invested in this case - possibly someone from the union... I don't know. But, only a person with less-than-good intentions would post something so unprofessional.
I won't be able to convince you otherwise, and honestly, it doesn't matter to me.
But for the record, I have no association with Air Canada or ACPA.
My investment in this situation is that I pointed out a flaw in Tony's logic and he then began to tell me that I was defaming him. I don't appreciate people who bully others.
IF you have NO association with Air Canada or ACPA then you have exposed yourself as an armchair participant. Your virtue signals have failed to attract a rescue team to support you ! Why are you even trying to sell snow?
You don't know Tony and the likes of you cower behind your smug assumptions while stealing food from the fridge.In other words you are smart ass who has no place on this thread. I've known Tony for years and he is a damn good human being and excellent pilot with more knowledge and ethics than you present.
Sadly the old school man / woman who cared about their team is no longer viable in the world of me first. Pilots have been reduced and crushed down to button pushing robots who only say yes and accept the most ridiculous demeaning contracts just to get to play with a joystick. Tony fought for us and fought for the pilots. He is a legend. Now cancel out culture and get your woke ass outs here.
Cappo1 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:56 am
IF you have NO association with Air Canada or ACPA then you have exposed yourself as an armchair participant. Your virtue signals have failed to attract a rescue team to support you ! Why are you even trying to sell snow?
You don't know Tony and the likes of you cower behind your smug assumptions while stealing food from the fridge.In other words you are smart ass who has no place on this thread. I've known Tony for years and he is a damn good human being and excellent pilot with more knowledge and ethics than you present.
Sadly the old school man / woman who cared about their team is no longer viable in the world of me first. Pilots have been reduced and crushed down to button pushing robots who only say yes and accept the most ridiculous demeaning contracts just to get to play with a joystick. Tony fought for us and fought for the pilots. He is a legend. Now cancel out culture and get your woke ass outs here.
It's comments like this that make me even more concerned. "notwhoyouthinkIam" is obviously very invested in this case - possibly someone from the union... I don't know. But, only a person with less-than-good intentions would post something so unprofessional.
I won't be able to convince you otherwise, and honestly, it doesn't matter to me.
But for the record, I have no association with Air Canada or ACPA.
My investment in this situation is that I pointed out a flaw in Tony's logic and he then began to tell me that I was defaming him. I don't appreciate people who bully others.
IF you have NO association with Air Canada or ACPA then you have exposed yourself as an armchair participant. Your virtue signals have failed to attract a rescue team to support you ! Why are you even trying to sell snow?
You don't know Tony and the likes of you cower behind your smug assumptions while stealing food from the fridge.In other words you are smart ass who has no place on this thread. I've known Tony for years and he is a damn good human being and excellent pilot with more knowledge and ethics than you present.
Sadly the old school man / woman who cared about their team is no longer viable in the world of me first. Pilots have been reduced and crushed down to button pushing robots who only say yes and accept the most ridiculous demeaning contracts just to get to play with a joystick. Tony fought for us and fought for the pilots. He is a legend. Now cancel out culture and get your woke ass outs here.
It may be true what you're saying about Tony being a good man and good pilot. We don't know know him, however because he made this public, on AVCANADA, I don't see why we can't comment. It's tough sometimes to understand a problem that we know very little about. We can only go by what we're seeing, and personally, I'm seeing "dirty laundry washed in public", or how does that saying go?
I have never met the gentleman, spoke on the phone with him once over a Company/Pilot issue and he was fantastic. Friends that know him well describe him as incredibly smart and capable, good enough for me.
I do know he did have a life altering health event and wish him nothing but the best.
It's comments like this that make me even more concerned. "notwhoyouthinkIam" is obviously very invested in this case - possibly someone from the union... I don't know. But, only a person with less-than-good intentions would post something so unprofessional.
I won't be able to convince you otherwise, and honestly, it doesn't matter to me.
But for the record, I have no association with Air Canada or ACPA.
My investment in this situation is that I pointed out a flaw in Tony's logic and he then began to tell me that I was defaming him. I don't appreciate people who bully others.
Your virtue signals have failed to attract a rescue team to support you !
Ok so the guy is( and has been) on medical leave(GDIP) for several years and is close to retirement. He will just medical out at age 65. Why on earth is he stirring the pot like this when his golden years are within reach? Like take the golden handshake and enjoy retirement?
hithere wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 8:20 pm
Ok so the guy is( and has been) on medical leave(GDIP) for several years and is close to retirement. He will just medical out at age 65. Why on earth is he stirring the pot like this when his golden years are within reach? Like take the golden handshake and enjoy retirement?
He hasn’t read the book “the art of not giving a @#$!” yet maybe? He cares?
I would say this battle has cost him friends and family. No job is worth losing that or your sanity over, especially when the new generation at “The NHL of aviation”(ie AC) don’t share his outrage. They just want to post pictures on Instagram of them on a heavy living their “best life”. It’s lost on them. He needs to take care himself and just walk away from this train wreck of litigation
Dry Guy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 1:03 pm
Attacking new hire pilots because they are not also having public meltdowns accomplishes nothing except further division.
Oh c'mon. It's not just new hire pilots that are this lame.
hithere wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 8:57 pm
I would say this battle has cost him friends and family. No job is worth losing that or your sanity over, especially when the new generation at “The NHL of aviation”(ie AC) don’t share his outrage. They just want to post pictures on Instagram of them on a heavy living their “best life”. It’s lost on them. He needs to take care himself and just walk away from this train wreck of litigation
You have no idea what the new generation want.
You obviously don't actully talk to new hire pilots.
Jimmy_Hoffa wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:23 amSimon Ledsham - 1st year associate at Stikeman Elliott in Montreal.
McGill University (B.C.L. and LL.B., 2018), McGill University (B.A. Political Science, First Class Honours with Distinction, 2015), Admitted to the Quebec Bar in 2020. He also wrote for and edited a hockey stick manufacturer's official blog from 2016 to 2019, publishing technical articles and managing online community relations.
What would a judge do if his son acted the way Tony did in those videos.
Hope those videos don’t find their way to Stikeman....they may have a different opinion of their new hire associate! Personally, if I ever saw a video of my dad acting like that...I’d be embarrassed.
Montroyal wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:24 am
I would expect that any person who saw a shell of someone’s former self would show some empathy
If your WWII Ace pilot Grandpa crapped himself at a war memorial – would you be embarrassed?
People age, we change. Poking a stick at an injured bear is as pathetic of a move as I can think of.
The problem is Tony isn't your grandpa at a WW2 Memorial. He's an Air Canada pilot who is arguably still in their prime years, and was an elected union representative. He has a bit of a standard to uphold. And for the record I have it under good authority that many people have reached out to him and tried to help, encouraged him to get help etc. only to be lambasted by Tony, called a traitor and harassed. Tony needs help, everyone knows it except him. Don't think people haven't tried to help.
It must be tough when people are lying right to your face, the fix in in, and there's nothing you can do about. The full resources of your own association that you have contributed so much to are being brought against you.
It's difficult to sit and take that, I think a lot of people would be boiling over.
Not the best tactic, boiling over, but that's the way it goes sometimes.
Montroyal wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:24 am
I would expect that any person who saw a shell of someone’s former self would show some empathy
If your WWII Ace pilot Grandpa crapped himself at a war memorial – would you be embarrassed?
People age, we change. Poking a stick at an injured bear is as pathetic of a move as I can think of.
The problem is Tony isn't your grandpa at a WW2 Memorial. He's an Air Canada pilot who is arguably still in their prime years, and was an elected union representative. He has a bit of a standard to uphold. And for the record I have it under good authority that many people have reached out to him and tried to help, encouraged him to get help etc. only to be lambasted by Tony, called a traitor and harassed. Tony needs help, everyone knows it except him. Don't think people haven't tried to help.
Don't forget the constant "you are defaming me" any time he disagreed with somebody's opinion on him.
Smart enough to operate complex machines with so many switches that it would overwhelm a swinger on Jeff Epstein's Sex Island yet clueless enough not to understand some basic emotional intelligence.
Pilots quite literally have fireside debates about the appropriate length time to press a fire test button but yet some barely comprehend what it means to be empathetic.
Empathy is the ability to put yourself in someone else's shoes.
Flying OT while your constituents are furloughed would demonstrate a lack of empathy but so would poking a man that has literally been fighting his entire life including while wearing the Maple Leaf on his military uniform.
Let that sink in for a moment - this aviator has literally reached the pinnacle of what can be asked of a Canadian pilot - to carry our flag over a declared enemy and do so risking his life for his fellow citizens.
When someone has literally been at full throttle their whole life it is no wonder a few bearings have come loose.
And loose as they may have come, the association invested more resources in defending itself from itself than it ever has for itself. It has been as productive as a deadhead both ways on a 2 leg pairing.
Tony is now free. Free of this regime and yet still employed. ACPA still has an obligation to him while he has no obligation to them. If there was a ballot today for such a deal, members would be ejecting faster than a Cuban baseball team at an American tournament. I could only imagine the carnage as the association watched as members seeked asylum from the asylum. Acpa could try their own "Bay of Pigs" but the pigs probably wouldn't get past the Overtime trough.
The 70% of Members who actually pay attention to this band which could appropriately be named "The Shillers" or "3 more concessions down" or "Panic! At the terminal" or "Sell Out Boy" or for the YVR band in July - "Green Back Day" - there is some good news:
ACPA is walking away from the administration of life insurance and probably for good reason. This would be the last organization one should trust overlooking post humous affairs. Predictably 30% didn't even bother to ensure that their beneficiaries were identified. I guess it is hard to kill the habit of ignoring acpa propoganda. Old habits die hard.
It is hard to watch the news of aviation down south. US Airlines are deeply concerned about getting back to normal wait times for customers. That's right - while we wait for the official start flag to get travel back to "normal" - they are pleading for mercy from the hordes of customers who want normal levels of service. The dichotomy couldn't be anymore extreme.
Hopefully soon our very own Transport Minister will "Choo Choo" choose us again as he is busy pushing for a high speed monorail like something out of a Simpsons episode. At this point Krusty could be in charge because well how could it get any worse than the current clowns running the show
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