Supervising Hood Time

[Benm11]

Hello,

I have my CPL IFR,Instructor Class 4 and a friend of mine bought a plane so his kid could finish his CPL. There are no schools here and he needs to build some Hood time towards his IFR. I don't have 500 hrs PIC but I'm current in IFR from my current job.

I am trying to find references in the CAR's that clarify if I can supervise his hood time without being class 3 and under what conditions / how to log.

CAR 425.21 Subsection 9

(9) A person who conducts flight training toward the issuance of an instrument rating shall be the holder of a Commercial Pilot Licence or an Airline Transport Pilot Licence, have an instrument rating and:
(amended 2006/12/14; previous version)

(a) have a flight instructor rating; or
(amended 2006/12/14; previous version)

(b) have experience of not less than 500 hours pilot-in-command flight time, of which:
(amended 2006/12/14; previous version)

(i) not less than 100 hours shall be on the applicable aircraft group, and
(amended 1998/03/23; previous version)

(ii) in the case of Group I aircraft, not less than 10 hours shall be on the type of multi-engine aeroplane used for the training.
(amended 1998/03/23; previous version)

Thanks for your help,

[Cessna 180]

just sit in the other seat with him, let him wear foggles, and he logs pic and instruments.

[FL_CH]

If you act as a “safety pilot” then you don’t really need a y qualifications particularly, but you don’t log anything and your friend logs PIC as mentioned before.

It might make more sense for you to provide the dual instruction in which case you log PIC and your friend logs dual. You will need to advise the minister in writing as per CAR 406.03 (3)

[Pilotdaddy]

It might make more sense for you to provide the dual instruction in which case you log PIC and your friend logs dual. You will need to advise the minister in writing as per CAR 406.03 (3)

As a Class 4, I don't think he can log anything, otherwise it's considered freelance work, no?

[FL_CH]

CAR 401.62 stipulates that Class 4s need to be supervised when exercising privileges of the instructor rating. Interestingly, 401.69 lists those privileges and training towards an instument rating isn’t one of them!

You basically need to be supervised for PPL, CPL, night ratings etc

[Scuderia]

Interesting gap, I see what you mean FL_CH. Had never looked at it that way.

I have my CPL IFR,Instructor Class 4 and a friend of mine bought a plane so his kid could finish his CPL. There are no schools here and he needs to build some Hood time towards his IFR. I don't have 500 hrs PIC but I'm current in IFR from my current job.

Just remember he can't count the time with you towards the CPL dual requirements. For CPL, instrument flight time towards the 20 hour instrument requirement needs to be with a flight instructor and in the case of a Class 4 you would have to be supervised.

[FL_CH]

Unless he gets the IR prior to CPL in which case that 20 hour requirement is considered to be met, reducing the total dual requirement for CPL to 15 hrs

[Scuderia]

Unless he gets the IR prior to CPL in which case that 20 hour requirement is considered to be met, reducing the total dual requirement for CPL to 15 hrs

By my reading, the 35 hour dual requirement still stands for somebody with an instrument rating. Similar to how doing 10 of the 20 instrument hours in a simulator doesn't reduce the dual requirement to 25 hours.

[FL_CH]

Well that’s how I did it back when I was doing my CPL and it was fine. Had a CPL student who also went this route with no issues.

I love how clear TC regs are, eh.

[Turboprops]

It doesn’t “reduce” the requirement to 15 hours, but you can log your dual received during IR in your CPL PTR, hence you already have 20 hours of dual towards CPL, only need an additional 15 hours.

[Heavy Rayn]

If you act as a “safety pilot” then you don’t really need a y qualifications particularly, but you don’t log anything and your friend logs PIC as mentioned before.

It might make more sense for you to provide the dual instruction in which case you log PIC and your friend logs dual. You will need to advise the minister in writing as per CAR 406.03 (3)

Not to digress too far from the topic at hand, but I’m under the impression that the minister must only be notified if freelance training is being provided on an aircraft with reference to CARs 406.03 (2) (iii) as seen here:

“(iii) using an aircraft that has been obtained from a person who is at arm’s length from the flight instructor, and the training is other than toward obtaining a pilot permit — recreational or a private pilot licence.

(3) In the case of flight training conducted under subparagraph (2)(b)(iii), the flight instructor shall

(a) notify the Minister in writing of…” etc etc

So in this case, because the subject in question owns the aircraft OP would not have to notify the minister if they deem themselves legal to complete the training since 406.03 (2) (iii) is not applicable. The much less confusing route for OP would be to upgrade as quick as possible to class 3. Easier said than done!

[FL_CH]

Ah I think you’re right indeed