Why won’t Americans get vaccinated?

[CpnCrunch]

https://today.yougov.com/topics/politic ... -poll-data

Half think the vaccine causes autism, and half think there is a microchip in it. I wonder if we did a poll on avcanada would it be the same?

[altiplano]

I'm not sure how much accuracy I'd attribute to invitation only paid internet surveys. That's a demographic in itself...

[dialdriver]

Half of any population is of below average intelligence or education.

[digits_]

Half of any population is of below average intelligence or education.

Likely, but not necessarily true.

Half of any population is of below median intelligence though

[CpnCrunch]

Those ideas aren't just below average. They're pure batshit.

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

The US is polarized politically. They have been on the verge of a potential civil unrest for a few years now.

Unfortunately, public health is something that was taken advantage of to polarize people even further. Once the democrats said agreed with doctors, and scientists, the Republicans (more specifically, Trumpies) felt the need to oppose it on the basis of "DEMS ARE BAD!"

Many Canadians have the same polarizing views, but there are (IMO) more Canadians who are level headed and able to ignore the political polarization and trust the people who have been saving people's lives for their entire professional careers.

[montado]

I actually find it more surprising how many Canadians got the vaccines. Americans didn’t surprise me at all with where they are at.

The perceived risk of covid is very low (and the actual risk is very low for most). And Americans believe in freedoms and liberties, and make decisions based on the individual (huge generalization, but it’s part of it).

One take I have from the whole covid thing is when you are told a garden hose of information, even if 5 percent of that is not true you might discount all the information and call it all lies. The government did its best to scare people, they told many lies, they made lots of illogical decisions without good explanation. People begin to tune out. Once you are caught telling lies, for example politicians caught on vacations, people begin to ignore what the experts say. If experts act against their own guidelines, where does credibility go? So doesn’t surprise me many Americans attitude to the government is “@#$! off, I’ll do what I want”.

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

The perceived risk of covid is very low (and the actual risk is very low for most). And Americans believe in freedoms and liberties, and make decisions based on the individual (huge generalization, but it’s part of it).

Incorrect. The risk was very high. We (Canadians and Americans alike) got very lucky.

Without lockdowns and other tough measures, we would have been in a worse position than New York near the beginning of the pandemic.

Let me remind you about the reefer trucks that were storing dead bodies behind the hospitals because they couldn't handle the number of dead.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/07/us/new-y ... index.html

There's a point where the capacity of our hospitals is dwarfed by the number of sick coming in. Look no further than New York City, Italy, India, and China to see what happens when that limit is reached. It's like a dam... everything appears fine to the average person until the water goes over the top, erodes the dam's base, and the entire dam collapses.

[montado]

The perceived risk of covid is very low (and the actual risk is very low for most). And Americans believe in freedoms and liberties, and make decisions based on the individual (huge generalization, but it’s part of it).

Incorrect. The risk was very high. We (Canadians and Americans alike) got very lucky.

Without lockdowns and other tough measures, we would have been in a worse position than New York near the beginning of the pandemic.

Let me remind you about the reefer trucks that were storing dead bodies behind the hospitals because they couldn't handle the number of dead.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/07/us/new-y ... index.html

There's a point where the capacity of our hospitals is dwarfed by the number of sick coming in. Look no further than New York City, Italy, India, and China to see what happens when that limit is reached. It's like a dam... everything appears fine to the average person until the water goes over the top, erodes the dam's base, and the entire dam collapses.

Tough measures . Did we even really lockdown? We wore masks and closed small businesses while most things kept on trucking. From what I remember there has been no tough measure, just mental gymnastics of doing idiotic things that didn’t always make any sense.

I don’t know what you think is risky. But I’ll bet your average 703 pilot would be at more risk going to work than the risk of death from covid.

https://www.cbsnews.com/media/10-of-the ... rous-jobs/
Anyone have a way to quantify what is more risky? Going to work or getting covid? I think calling covid very high risk is not a good way to define it when we have other diseases like Ebola that have a CFR 100x higher. I would say Ebola is very high risk. Covid, not so much… it’s the flus big brother with larger biceps and a harder punch.

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

I would say Ebola is very high risk. Covid, not so much…

Ebola kills it's host rather quick and therefore does not spread quietly. The risk to those who get it is great, but the risk of getting it is low.

COVID on the other hand has a high rate of transmission and still has an unacceptably high risk of long-term effects.

[montado]

I would say Ebola is very high risk. Covid, not so much…

Ebola kills it's host rather quick and therefore does not spread quietly. The risk to those who get it is great, but the risk of getting it is low.

COVID on the other hand has a high rate of transmission and still has an unacceptably high risk of long-term effects.

I realize how dumb my Ebola comment is. Of course, covid is of more risk to us than Ebola for exactly the reasons you say.

But as for why Americans won’t get the vaccine, must be the perception is that the risk is low. And the more people who get vaccinated the lower the risk becomes. So IMO the real threat is also low for someone my age. Covid could have been much worse, but I’m thankful for the access to vaccines. I’m still not surprised people don’t want it. The perception of risk needs to increase to change their minds, however the perceived risk continues to nose dive. People are over it. It will now be endemic and people not vaccinated who end up in the hospital can live with that regret when it happens.

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

I would say Ebola is very high risk. Covid, not so much…

Ebola kills it's host rather quick and therefore does not spread quietly. The risk to those who get it is great, but the risk of getting it is low.

COVID on the other hand has a high rate of transmission and still has an unacceptably high risk of long-term effects.

I realize how dumb my Ebola comment is. Of course, covid is of more risk to us than Ebola for exactly the reasons you say.

But as for why Americans won’t get the vaccine, must be the perception is that the risk is low. And the more people who get vaccinated the lower the risk becomes. So IMO the real threat is also low for someone my age. Covid could have been much worse, but I’m thankful for the access to vaccines. I’m still not surprised people don’t want it. The perception of risk needs to increase to change their minds, however the perceived risk continues to nose dive. People are over it. It will now be endemic and people not vaccinated who end up in the hospital can live with that regret when it happens.

I was advocating strongly to follow public health restrictions and implement lockdowns.

Now that the majority of us are vaccinated, we should be allowing those who are vaccinated more freedoms while retaining mask mandates for indoor shopping and services where distancing is unreasonable.

As gross as it sounds, the thing that I will be taking away from this pandemic is an increased desire to wash my hands whenever I touch things.

[acpaleaks]

https://today.yougov.com/topics/politic ... -poll-data

Half think the vaccine causes autism, and half think there is a microchip in it. I wonder if we did a poll on avcanada would it be the same?

Too bad you can't see the dumpster fire that is the threads about vaccines on the AC pilot forum.

['97 Tercel]

I can only assume probably 90% of vaccine-hesitant people obviously don't believe there's a microchip in the shot - they believe that there is not enough data to show in which tissue(s) the RNA expresses itself to produce. If it ends up anywhere else but the Lymph system or liver then possible cytotoxic effects could create a host of issues in years to come.

We'll know if increase cases of MS and ALS arise in the long term - and drug companies will never be liable.

Do your own research and turn off your news feed...IMO we'll never see herd immunity so anyone under 30 shouldn't touch this vaccine, over 70 should, and in between make your own assessment.

[montado]

I can only assume probably 90% of vaccine-hesitant people obviously don't believe there's a microchip in the shot - they believe that there is not enough data to show in which tissue(s) the RNA expresses itself to produce. If it ends up anywhere else but the Lymph system or liver then possible cytotoxic effects could create a host of issues in years to come.

We'll know if increase cases of MS and ALS arise in the long term - and drug companies will never be liable.

Do your own research and turn off your news feed...IMO we'll never see herd immunity so anyone under 30 shouldn't touch this vaccine, over 70 should, and in between make your own assessment.

Yeah but MS and ALS are not contagious and covid is, so it’s different. And there is longhaul covid! LONGHAUL COVID! DONT YOU READ THE NEWS! Only covid deaths matter!

Sorry I couldn’t help myself

On a serious note looks like Canadians and Americans are about the same… neither of us are likely to vaccinate more than 80 percent of the population fully. This means we all probably have friends and family who refuse the vaccines.

[CpnCrunch]

I can only assume probably 90% of vaccine-hesitant people obviously don't believe there's a microchip in the shot - they believe that there is not enough data to show in which tissue(s) the RNA expresses itself to produce. If it ends up anywhere else but the Lymph system or liver then possible cytotoxic effects could create a host of issues in years to come.

We'll know if increase cases of MS and ALS arise in the long term - and drug companies will never be liable.

Do your own research and turn off your news feed...IMO we'll never see herd immunity so anyone under 30 shouldn't touch this vaccine, over 70 should, and in between make your own assessment.

It just generates a protein, so why would it cause MS or ALS? The mRNA degrades in a few days, and the spike proteins last a few weeks.

https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/where ... roteins-go

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

I can only assume probably 90% of vaccine-hesitant people obviously don't believe there's a microchip in the shot - they believe that there is not enough data to show in which tissue(s) the RNA expresses itself to produce. If it ends up anywhere else but the Lymph system or liver then possible cytotoxic effects could create a host of issues in years to come.

We'll know if increase cases of MS and ALS arise in the long term - and drug companies will never be liable.

Do your own research and turn off your news feed...IMO we'll never see herd immunity so anyone under 30 shouldn't touch this vaccine, over 70 should, and in between make your own assessment.

It just generates a protein, so why would it cause MS or ALS? The mRNA degrades in a few days, and the spike proteins last a few weeks.

https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/where ... roteins-go

It's too complicated of an idea for some to grasp. They're more afraid of what they don't know than the killer in their closet.

[montado]

The Elementary Teachers Federation of Ontario (ETFO) called the Ford government's plan "incomplete and inadequate." In a statement reacting to the strategy, the teachers' union said the plan "loosens safety precautions" and will likely lead to more outbreaks and disruptions to in-person learning. "It's clear that Premier Ford and Minister Lecce are relying on vaccinations alone to provide a safe school reopening and a return to extracurriculars. What they seem to have forgotten is that Ontarians remain at risk of contracting and spreading COVID-19, and most elementary children are ineligible for vaccines," said ETFO president Sam Hammond.

Ontario teachers jumped the line for vaccines last school year so we could keep schools open. Now they are vaccinated and vaccines are not good enough. Who didn’t see this one coming? Anything to get out for work and teach an hour on google classroom 5 days a week.

Forget what the Americans are doing, why are we vaccinated and still have to put up with this ^

[palebird]

It is painfully obvious that most people here drank the coolaid. Difference in the USA is simple. Ever spend any time there? They are far more critical of government and group think. Canadians simply do what they are told. Government says jump and population says how high. And they are all advocates for the government (who would never steer you wrong)uh huh. Pretty sad all these airchair experts who spout nonsense all day about a subject they know nothing about. Keep it simple. If it smells bad, looks bad, tastes bad, sounds bad it is probably rotten. Sounds like the great Covid.

[rookiepilot]

It is painfully obvious that most people here drank the coolaid. Difference in the USA is simple. Ever spend any time there? They are far more critical of government and group think.

Please.

Expand your thinking beyond Covid for a second —- Americans are just as likely to be the sheeple and go in on groupthink as anyone.

In my world I’m watching hordes of them get ripped off on scams….they keep coming back for more. Of course so are the Canadians…..it’s the golden age of fraud, right now.

[Inverted2]

The Elementary Teachers Federation of Ontario (ETFO) called the Ford government's plan "incomplete and inadequate." In a statement reacting to the strategy, the teachers' union said the plan "loosens safety precautions" and will likely lead to more outbreaks and disruptions to in-person learning. "It's clear that Premier Ford and Minister Lecce are relying on vaccinations alone to provide a safe school reopening and a return to extracurriculars. What they seem to have forgotten is that Ontarians remain at risk of contracting and spreading COVID-19, and most elementary children are ineligible for vaccines," said ETFO president Sam Hammond.

Ontario teachers jumped the line for vaccines last school year so we could keep schools open. Now they are vaccinated and vaccines are not good enough. Who didn’t see this one coming? Anything to get out for work and teach an hour on google classroom 5 days a week.

Forget what the Americans are doing, why are we vaccinated and still have to put up with this ^

Teachers got used to the past 2 years and nothing the government says would make them want to go back to regular teaching.

['97 Tercel]

It just generates a protein, so why would it cause MS or ALS? The mRNA degrades in a few days, and the spike proteins last a few weeks.

https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/where ... roteins-go

Yes, once a cell dies and the spike protein floats free from surface it probably wouldn't last long, however It seems the initial lipid/mRNA delivery system could end up anywhere. This study result was from rats though, but food for thought nonetheless. If it can cross the BBB(though maybe in very small amounts) and internalized by cells in brain or even neurons, then it could cause a host of autoimmune issues.

"..Besides injection site [muscle] and lymph
nodes [proximal and distal], increased mRNA concentrations (compared to plasma levels) were found
in the spleen and eye. Both tissues were examined in the frame of the toxicological studies conducted
with mRNA-1273 final vaccine formulation. Low levels of mRNA could be detected in all examined
tissues except the kidney. This included heart, lung, testis and also brain tissues, indicating that the
mRNA/LNP platform crossed the blood/brain barrier, although to very low levels (2-4% of the plasma
level). Liver distribution of mRNA-1647 is also evident in this study, consistent with the literature
reports that liver is a common target organ of LNPs." https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/ ... ort_en.pdf

[CpnCrunch]

It just generates a protein, so why would it cause MS or ALS? The mRNA degrades in a few days, and the spike proteins last a few weeks.

https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/where ... roteins-go

Yes, once a cell dies and the spike protein floats free from surface it probably wouldn't last long, however It seems the initial lipid/mRNA delivery system could end up anywhere. This study result was from rats though, but food for thought nonetheless. If it can cross the BBB(though maybe in very small amounts) and internalized by cells in brain or even neurons, then it could cause a host of autoimmune issues.

That all seems very speculative. Why would it "cause a host of autoimmune issues"? I'd be more concerned about the effects of the virus itself.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7961671/