Thunder Bay airport accident

[Brock_Landers]

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.tbnewsw ... rt-4227830

No details yet but the picture doesn’t look good.
Anyone have any info?

[2112]

Heard from someone at YQT currently it was an aero-commander, crashed on take-off. Fingers crossed they were able to egress.

[Bede]

Heard from someone at YQT currently it was an aero-commander, crashed on take-off. Fingers crossed they were able to egress.

1 fatality. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/thunder- ... -1.6143338



Aircraft took off 12 (towards the photographer). Left turn out. Fire is on runway 25.

https://archive.liveatc.net/cyqt/CYQT-G ... -0100Z.mp3 9:00

[tractor driver]

We worked with those guys this summer. Top notch crew.
RIP

[digits_]

The live atc recording has a Bearskin airplane on the frequency for a long time. How were they involved?

[Heliian]

The live atc recording has a Bearskin airplane on the frequency for a long time. How were they involved?

There isn't really much on the recording. The incident aircraft confirms 12 for takeoff and that's it. the rest is emergency response.

[bobcaygeon]

The live atc recording has a Bearskin airplane on the frequency for a long time. How were they involved?

Bearskin landed on RWY 25 just before Mag Aero Commander took off Rwy 12. Nothing more. It could have been AC/WJ. Knowing Thunder Bay the aircraft were likely pretty close to each other.If you listen earlier in the tape it sounds like the crews knew each other. Not surprising as NW Ontario is a very small pilot group.

[Rooster69]

Bearskin would have been taxing to terminal. Judging by the the photo, the accident was parallel to where the Bearskin flight was taxing. Probably close behind them. Ground did ask if they wanted to stop and help their buddy. Their response was, paraphrasing, huh? A few seconds later, you can tell they see what has happened.




Thoughts go out to all the families and friends.

[Bede]

Bearskin would have been only a couple hundred feet from the crash at most. Lucky they didn't get hit.

[Bede]

We worked with those guys this summer. Top notch crew.
RIP

My condolences.

[Localizer]

The pilot was on leave from Bearskin working with Mag for the summer. My condolences to our ALPA brothers and sisters at Bearskin and his Mag family. My heart is with you during this painful time.

[Lost in Saigon]

Aircraft took off 12 (towards the photographer). Left turn out. Fire is on runway 25.

I see TWO fires on Runway 25.

[bobcaygeon]

This will show why.....

https://saultonline.com/2021/08/fiery-p ... rson-dead/

[Bede]

This will show why.....

https://saultonline.com/2021/08/fiery-p ... rson-dead/

Sorry I still don't understand why.

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

This will show why.....

https://saultonline.com/2021/08/fiery-p ... rson-dead/

Sorry I still don't understand why.

Aircraft probably hit and rolled. The main fire is likely the aircraft burning whereas the smaller fire on the left is likely either spilled fuel or part of the aircraft left behind.

[bigsky]

Does MAG use the modified external rudder lock, the type that deflects the rudder when installed?

[digits_]

Does MAG use the modified external rudder lock, the type that deflects the rudder when installed?

Not sure about MAG, but those modified rudder locks typically deflect the rudder to the right. Unlikely that this would cause a crash to the left.

[pelmet]

A comment from an American pilot on a thread that I happened to read today about a different accident that I found interesting. I thought I would post it based on the last two posts on this thread.

"First flight at a new job in a 500 Aero Commander, I left the rudder lock (block of wood) in. Never had flown a Commander before. Missed it on the preflight, it sits up high above eye level (no excuse.) There was enough slop and bending that I thought the control check for that aircraft was normal. Nose steering in the Commander is controlled by light inputs to the toe brakes. It was not until we were airborne that we realized what was going on. Rudder trim was backwards, acting itself as a small rudder. Came around and landed without incident. No engine out training that flight."

[digits_]

A comment from an American pilot on a thread that I happened to read today about a different accident that I found interesting based on the last two posts here.

"First flight at a new job in a 500 Aero Commander, I left the rudder lock (block of wood) in. Never had flown a Commander before. Missed it on the preflight, it sits up high above eye level (no excuse.) There was enough slop and bending that I thought the control check for that aircraft was normal. Nose steering in the Commander is controlled by light inputs to the toe brakes. It was not until we were airborne that we realized what was going on. Rudder trim was backwards, acting itself as a small rudder. Came around and landed without incident. No engine out training that flight."

That would only be valid if the rudder was locked in the neutral position. With the 15 (?) degree offset on the other type, you would notice it before you are airborne. It's a lock at full rudder deflection. Which implies you would need to bring one engine to idle to counter its effect at rotation speed.

[enbt]

No flight control abnormalities according to this preliminary report.

https://www.timminstoday.com/local-news ... rt-4235497

[digits_]

From the quoted article:

The investigators found the plane in an inverted position on the runway, and destroyed by a post-impact fire.

The inverted position makes it sound like a VMC roll

[bobcaygeon]

From the quoted article:

The investigators found the plane in an inverted position on the runway, and destroyed by a post-impact fire.

The inverted position makes it sound like a VMC roll

Really?? That's a pretty big assumption considering airplanes don't really structured things in a crash. Catching a wingtip for whatever reason could flip it too. Airplanes are very good at ending up upside down after they hit the ground.

I would be shocked if there isn't video footage somewhere that recorded it.

The WX cameras should have caught it all in addition to all the security cameras at and around field.
https://www.metcam.navcanada.ca/hb/play ... &site=CYQT

[trey kule]

Lets not forget that someone lost their life here.

Are all these comments really necessary?

[digits_]

From the quoted article:

The investigators found the plane in an inverted position on the runway, and destroyed by a post-impact fire.

The inverted position makes it sound like a VMC roll

Really?? That's a pretty big assumption considering airplanes don't really structured things in a crash. Catching a wingtip for whatever reason could flip it too. Airplanes are very good at ending up upside down after they hit the ground.

Smaller single engine aircraft flip over easily, heavier twin turbine airplanes take a bit more effort to flip. Yes, of course there can be other reasons why the plane flipped. But assuming the info about the flight controls is correct, a VMC roll seems the most likely to me. I'd be happy to hear other possibilities.

[lownslow]

I would be shocked if there isn't video footage somewhere that recorded it.

It should be a certainty, there was another plane that clipped a windrow a couple winters back in almost exactly the accident site and the airport had footage from a camera pointed at that spot.

I’m curious too but the reality is neither you nor I need to see that footage and that’s probably for the better.