Air Canada pilot refuses to get vaccinated, in peril of losing job

[PostmasterGeneral]

I don’t believe it only affects fat and lazy people, it just doesn’t affect me. We’re all double vaxxed, and some of us, myself included, have already had the virus. I’ve had colds worse than when I had covid. Not worried in the slightest.

You're thinking about this too narrowly. As someone double vaccinated too, I'm not overly concerned by Covid during my day-to-day life. That said, the current restrictions in place are meant to prevent our healthcare system from being overwhelmed. A removal of mask restrictions, as you previously alluded to, would result in an Alberta-esque situation. I bring up the example again of a loved one needing ICU care due to a car accident. Can you not see the societal implications of there being insufficient beds to help those who require treatment? What the effects would be on your family? You might think you're immune to this situation, but you're not.

Again, the fastest way to being able to remove that mask restriction is to get more people vaccinated.

Why do you keep mentioning that Alberta is going through some sort of crisis right now? I live in Alberta, and my wife works in healthcare. It's mostly business as usual out here, ICU's are certainly busy, but not at capacity. I know the media has made it into some big deal, especially the media out east, (geez I flicked on the news in Toronto the other day and you'd swear Albertans are dropping like flies.) I get that it's their job to make things seem newsworthy that really aren't, but I found it to be a littl excessive.

Anyways, I'm not too concerned with this whole thing, I think most of us are pretty sick of it and want to get back to normal. I disagree that the fastest way to do so is to get everyone vaccinated, because the data just doesn't support it. The more we get vaccinated, the more we're locked down, the more apparent cases go up, the more people allegedly die from covid, it just does not add up.

[imjustlurking]

I don’t believe it only affects fat and lazy people, it just doesn’t affect me. We’re all double vaxxed, and some of us, myself included, have already had the virus. I’ve had colds worse than when I had covid. Not worried in the slightest.

You're thinking about this too narrowly. As someone double vaccinated too, I'm not overly concerned by Covid during my day-to-day life. That said, the current restrictions in place are meant to prevent our healthcare system from being overwhelmed. A removal of mask restrictions, as you previously alluded to, would result in an Alberta-esque situation. I bring up the example again of a loved one needing ICU care due to a car accident. Can you not see the societal implications of there being insufficient beds to help those who require treatment? What the effects would be on your family? You might think you're immune to this situation, but you're not.

Again, the fastest way to being able to remove that mask restriction is to get more people vaccinated.

Why do you keep mentioning that Alberta is going through some sort of crisis right now? I live in Alberta, and my wife works in healthcare. It's mostly business as usual out here, ICU's are certainly busy, but not at capacity. I know the media has made it into some big deal, especially the media out east, (geez I flicked on the news in Toronto the other day and you'd swear Albertans are dropping like flies.) I get that it's their job to make things seem newsworthy that really aren't, but I found it to be a littl excessive.

Anyways, I'm not too concerned with this whole thing, I think most of us are pretty sick of it and want to get back to normal. I disagree that the fastest way to do so is to get everyone vaccinated, because the data just doesn't support it. The more we get vaccinated, the more we're locked down, the more apparent cases go up, the more people allegedly die from covid, it just does not add up.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton ... -1.6194435

They clearly state that ICU bed counts have been increased due to COVID and that they are at more than 100% capacity.

But sure, your wife who "works in healthcare" knows everything that's going on. Just like how that employee throwing bags into my airplane knows what's going on at my airline.

[palebird]

Dude you are quoting CBC??!! Are you serious? Do you know what Pravda was/is in the USSR? That is exactly what CBC is in Canada. A mechanism of the state. It is like quoting CNN which is an outlet for the Democratic party. What a joke.

[imjustlurking]

Dude you are quoting CBC??!! Are you serious? Do you know what Pravda was/is in the USSR? That is exactly what CBC is in Canada. A mechanism of the state. It is like quoting CNN which is an outlet for the Democratic party. What a joke.

You know what... I'll let the next guy tell you how stupid you sound.

[porcsord]

Dude you are quoting CBC??!! Are you serious? Do you know what Pravda was/is in the USSR? That is exactly what CBC is in Canada. A mechanism of the state. It is like quoting CNN which is an outlet for the Democratic party. What a joke.

You know what... I'll let the next guy tell you how stupid you sound.

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I don't think this is a case of merely "sounding stupid", this is a case of full blown conspiracy theorists nutjob. Go back to your Fox "News" hole and let the adults talk.

[imjustlurking]

Dude you are quoting CBC??!! Are you serious? Do you know what Pravda was/is in the USSR? That is exactly what CBC is in Canada. A mechanism of the state. It is like quoting CNN which is an outlet for the Democratic party. What a joke.

You know what... I'll let the next guy tell you how stupid you sound.

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I don't think this is a case of merely "sounding stupid", this is a case of full blown conspiracy theorists nutjob. Go back to your Fox "News" hole and let the adults talk.

I think you wanted to quote palebird in that comment.

[porcsord]

I think you wanted to quote palebird in that comment

I wanted to quote both of you, him for being stupid and you for giving me the idea to call him stupid. I stand by my quote, but in no means meant you were the stupid one in this dumpster fire of a debate.

[palebird]

Anybody who relies on CBC for anything is clearly out of it.

[imjustlurking]

Anybody who relies on CBC for anything is clearly out of it.

I'm sorry that I offended you with the CBC.

ICUs are operating at 179 per cent of their baseline capacity.

[Source]

I'm obviously out of it.

without those additional surge spaces, provincial ICU capacity would sit at 155 per cent.

[Source]

How could I ever think that CBC would be a reliable source on anything other than Trudeau's socks?

The head of Alberta’s health system says the COVID-19 hospital crisis has become so dire, a key reason the system hasn’t collapsed is because patients are dying.

[Source]

[737Maximilian]

Why do you keep mentioning that Alberta is going through some sort of crisis right now? I live in Alberta, and my wife works in healthcare. It's mostly business as usual out here, ICU's are certainly busy, but not at capacity.

Both the heads of Alberta's Emergency Medicine and their nursing union have been unequivocally vocal about the crisis occurring there. Patients are having to be airlifted out due to ICU shortages. All elective surgeries are being cancelled. The cancer treatment of children is being delayed. Does this sound like business as usual to you?

The more we get vaccinated, the more we're locked down, the more apparent cases go up, the more people allegedly die from covid, it just does not add up.

Correlation does not imply causation. Again, you keep discounting the fact that we're now dealing with a significantly more transmissible and deadly strain of the virus. The other reason Alberta has had to increase restrictions was due to their overly quick return to no restrictions during the summer, and their delay in reacting to an increasing number of cases this fall. Other provinces have done a better job of keeping the virus in check - it is possible.

Ultimately, we want to ease restrictions without overwhelming our healthcare systems. It's a balancing act of giving as much leeway as possible, while ensuring the unvaccinated don't inundate our hospitals and ICUs. As more people get vaccinated, the risk of the latter decreases, meaning more restrictions can be lifted.

[737Maximilian]

Do you know what Pravda was/is in the USSR? That is exactly what CBC is in Canada.

You're delusional.

[palebird]

Here is what is truly disturbing. And by the way I could care less what you think of me. Means nothing. So the Canadian media has gone on record as saying that Ivermectin is NOT to be used by humans and is a horse medicine. Tell that to the billions of people worldwide who use it safely. What is it with Canada? When you cross the border into this country do you somehow become different than the rest of the world? CNN has been called out and will have to walk back their untruths on Ivermectin. Not a mistake but a blatant lie. Why does the Canadian establishment not want anything to do with an established treatment? I have mentioned before that Ivermectin was strongly advised against for a family member. But when pushed on the issue the doctors did a 180 and procured the treatment. What is with that? Glad to see so many good Canadians on here blindly swallow whatever is fed to them. You will reap the rewards.

[737Maximilian]

There's not a single study that supports the use of Ivermectin.

Again, you're delusional.

[imjustlurking]

Here is what is truly disturbing. And by the way I could care less what you think of me. Means nothing. So the Canadian media has gone on record as saying that Ivermectin is NOT to be used by humans and is a horse medicine. Tell that to the billions of people worldwide who use it safely. What is it with Canada? When you cross the border into this country do you somehow become different than the rest of the world? CNN has been called out and will have to walk back their untruths on Ivermectin. Not a mistake but a blatant lie. Why does the Canadian establishment not want anything to do with an established treatment? I have mentioned before that Ivermectin was strongly advised against for a family member. But when pushed on the issue the doctors did a 180 and procured the treatment. What is with that? Glad to see so many good Canadians on here blindly swallow whatever is fed to them. You will reap the rewards.

If you want to use horse de-wormer as a reactive treatment for COVID-19, please feel free. It is only approved for use in humans as a de-wormer.

I have taken the COVID vaccine as a preventative treatment so that I don't end up in that situation.

[mmm..bacon]

“Plandemic”, “natural immunity”, “ivermectin”….you people are absofuckinglutely deluded

I think this - about ivermectin - was posted earlier in the thread: https://www.theguardian.com/science/ ... -concerns

Meyerowitz-Katz told the Guardian that “this is one of the biggest ivermectin studies out there”, and it appeared to him the data was “just totally faked”.

If you remove this one study from the scientific literature, suddenly there are very few positive randomised control trials of ivermectin for Covid-19. Indeed, if you get rid of just this research, most meta-analyses that have found positive results would have their conclusions entirely reversed.”

[imjustlurking]

“Plandemic”, “natural immunity”, “ivermectin”….you people are absofuckinglutely deluded

I think this - about ivermectin - was posted earlier in the thread: https://www.theguardian.com/science/ ... -concerns

Meyerowitz-Katz told the Guardian that “this is one of the biggest ivermectin studies out there”, and it appeared to him the data was “just totally faked”.

If you remove this one study from the scientific literature, suddenly there are very few positive randomised control trials of ivermectin for Covid-19. Indeed, if you get rid of just this research, most meta-analyses that have found positive results would have their conclusions entirely reversed.”

It's funny that you bring that up. I'm doing outbound calls for the Government of Ontario targeting people who have health cards but no vaccine doses on file. Some of the responses I got today include:

• Covid was manufactured in Manitoba
• It is a plan of Satan to, um, destroy and kill
• This is not a pandemic, it's a plandemic
• Why would I inject myself with a poison that is killing more than COVID
• I don't believe in it [COVID-19[

[pecessix]

There's not a single study that supports the use of Ivermectin.

Again, you're delusional.

Here is one here:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8088823/

It says:

Meta-analyses based on 18 randomized controlled treatment trials of ivermectin in COVID-19 have found large, statistically significant reductions in mortality, time to clinical recovery, and time to viral clearance. Furthermore, results from numerous controlled prophylaxis trials report significantly reduced risks of contracting COVID-19 with the regular use of ivermectin. Finally, the many examples of ivermectin distribution campaigns leading to rapid population-wide decreases in morbidity and mortality indicate that an oral agent effective in all phases of COVID-19 has been identified.


There are many studies about the efficacy of ivermectin, it's in use in various countries.
But this drug costs nothing and it will not bring any big economic profits so Big Pharma doesn’t want to deal with it and the mainstream medias won't talk about it except to call it a horse dewormer only...

In Canada, we are different and we can only trust the government and the CBC (any other newspaper or person talking is not a reliable source). And a mandatory vaccine is the only solution to stop the crisis in this country.

[geodoc]

There's not a single study that supports the use of Ivermectin.

Again, you're delusional.

Here is one here:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8088823/

It says:

Meta-analyses based on 18 randomized controlled treatment trials of ivermectin in COVID-19 have found large, statistically significant reductions in mortality, time to clinical recovery, and time to viral clearance. Furthermore, results from numerous controlled prophylaxis trials report significantly reduced risks of contracting COVID-19 with the regular use of ivermectin. Finally, the many examples of ivermectin distribution campaigns leading to rapid population-wide decreases in morbidity and mortality indicate that an oral agent effective in all phases of COVID-19 has been identified.


There are many studies about the efficacy of ivermectin, it's in use in various countries.
But this drug costs nothing and it will not bring any big economic profits so Big Pharma doesn’t want to deal with it and the mainstream medias won't talk about it except to call it a horse dewormer only...

In Canada, we are different and we can only trust the government and the CBC (any other newspaper or person talking is not a reliable source). And a mandatory vaccine is the only solution to stop the crisis in this country.

The first study cited in that paper is from the discredited one that was withdrawn by Elgazzar at Benha University in Egypt.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02081-w

https://www.politifact.com/article/2021 ... dy-toutin/

Makes one wonder why it would still be posted on that site.


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[mmm..bacon]

The first study cited in that paper is from the discredited one that was withdrawn by Elgazzar at Benha University in Egypt.

Dang! Beat me to it!

[737Maximilian]

As the user above has already stated, the article you linked to has been withdrawn from publication for possible data fraud. Interestingly, the authors promoted their own ivermectin treatment within the paper, which is pretty inappropriate for a review article.

For a group of people who don't seem to have much confidence in our institutions, you sure put a lot of trust in data coming out of Bangladesh and Iraq. I hope you can see the irony.

As for India's use of ivermectin as a saviour, it's bizarre they've suddenly turned about-face. It's almost as if ivermectin doesn't actually work: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58170809

Too bad we don't have a much safer and infinitely more effective alternative

[TG]

There are many studies about the efficacy of ivermectin, it's in use in various countries.
But this drug costs nothing and it will not bring any big economic profits so Big Pharma doesn’t want to deal with it and the mainstream medias won't talk about it except to call it a horse dewormer only...

Oh my....
How about Hydroxychloroquine!? Ah yes! Out of fashion

You should stick to aviation when you talk about something.

[‘Bob’]

It's funny that you bring that up. I'm doing outbound calls for the Government of Ontario targeting people who have health cards but no vaccine doses on file. Some of the responses I got today include:

• Covid was manufactured in Manitoba
• It is a plan of Satan to, um, destroy and kill
• This is not a pandemic, it's a plandemic
• Why would I inject myself with a poison that is killing more than COVID
• I don't believe in it [COVID-19[

Most people miss the real purpose of the COVID-19 pandemic.

To satisfy the lust of a secret worldwide organization of Piqurists.

Sick individuals who take perverse pleasure in impaling others with hypodermic needles.

They needed a way to get the public to agree to it willingly, and a fake vaccine to cure a fake disease was the answer.

And now they are expanding it to include children.

Pizzagate and Qanon have absolutely nothing on this.

[Inverted2]

It's those damn un-vaccinated mannequins that are clogging up the ICQs. They only care about themselves.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/er ... ews-report

[737Maximilian]

It's those damn un-vaccinated mannequins that are clogging up the ICQs. They only care about themselves.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/er ... ews-report

Did you actually bother to read this article, or do you consume your news simply by reading the title from a Facebook post?

The very first two paragraphs literally state this is stock footage from an ICU training facility taken from a prior story. It's not proof of anything, except the CBC's error in not foreseeing the potential blowback of using this footage from the group of people too dense to think critically about anything.

['97 Tercel]

Some of the responses I got today include:
Covid was manufactured in Manitoba
It is a plan of Satan to, um, destroy and kill
This is not a pandemic, it's a plandemic
Why would I inject myself with a poison that is killing more than COVID
I don't believe in it [COVID-19[

Were you able to find some tissues and a quiet space to collect yourself after experiencing that?