ACPA MEC

[RightPlaceWrongTime]

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[Jimmy_Hoffa]

Your prayers have been answered… check the latest ACPA release on the website or Russian Owned App.

-Jimmy

[hithere]

For those not on the inside what was announced in the latest ACPA memo?

[RightPlaceWrongTime]

Good riddance. You did the right thing.

[altiplano]

It's about time.

Let's get this ship turned around.

[RippleRock]

I only wish the lousy MOU's he signed and his three henchmen went with him.

[airway]

Take a look around you. Something like 35 FEDEX guys broke $1,000,000USD during COVID. UPS guys? Not far behind. Meanwhile we cross the Atlantic every night with only 2 pilots while every US carrier has 3.

It's guys like you that keep driving our contract into the mud... but the sad part is - YOU'RE PROBABLY ON ACPA NEGOTIATIONS

Reference?

top scale wide body (15 year) at FedEx is $335 USD, which is $428 CAD.

About $400,000 CAD per year with no OT.



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[speedah]

Take a look around you. Something like 35 FEDEX guys broke $1,000,000USD during COVID. UPS guys? Not far behind. Meanwhile we cross the Atlantic every night with only 2 pilots while every US carrier has 3.

It's guys like you that keep driving our contract into the mud... but the sad part is - YOU'RE PROBABLY ON ACPA NEGOTIATIONS

Reference?

top scale wide body (15 year) at FedEx is $335 USD, which is $428 CAD.

About $400,000 CAD per year with no OT.



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They have a proper contract with the ability to make much more. For example, long range flights attract a premium for the ENTIRE pairing.

[rudder]

Take a look around you. Something like 35 FEDEX guys broke $1,000,000USD during COVID. UPS guys? Not far behind. Meanwhile we cross the Atlantic every night with only 2 pilots while every US carrier has 3.

It's guys like you that keep driving our contract into the mud... but the sad part is - YOU'RE PROBABLY ON ACPA NEGOTIATIONS

Reference?

top scale wide body (15 year) at FedEx is $335 USD, which is $428 CAD.

About $400,000 CAD per year with no OT.



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There are some very generous overtime systems out there. Notably DAL and SWA. US Cargo carriers probably the same (at least during COVID). Multiplying hourly rate x 1000 will give you base salary but some Pilot contracts can see that number doubled using overtime rules.

[Ratherbe]

Geez the fed ex pilots are capped at $130K in pension payments! That’s only 13% of their final average earnings FAE if they’re making $1M which I don’t doubt. The takeaway is that it pays big to work for a company that has its operating income go up by over 1,400% in one year.

Anyway major thread drift alert. May I suggest that the recent P4C survey just might have been the last straw for MM’s supporters?

[RippleRock]

Geez the fed ex pilots are capped at $130K in pension payments! That’s only 13% of their final average earnings FAE if they’re making $1M which I don’t doubt. The takeaway is that it pays big to work for a company that has its operating income go up by over 1,400% in one year.

Anyway major thread drift alert. May I suggest that the recent P4C survey just might have been the last straw for MM’s supporters?

Might have, though the respondants to the survey were rather few in the bigger scheme. Only about 530.

They have a --lot of work to do-- among the Membership yet.

[redbusdriver]

mm did what he could, in the end he wisely chose family. look forward to who will take up the reins of acpa.

[RippleRock]

Here we go. Vote for the most important union role happening today. No clue who's running. The will of the Membership is for more transparency, not collusion and back-room dealing. Let's see if it's more of the same, or real change will finally occur.

You have no say in which direction this goes. Good luck. It's all we have.

[Ratherbe]

Most important role? Hmm perhaps. However, the MEC itself makes the decisions not the Chair. He is the spokesman. Whoever they elect will have a difficult job bringing both the MEC and the membership together.

Sorry to say my predictions for MM were correct but I do have high hopes for the only candidate who has stepped forward so far. Hopefully everyone will rally behind him. If the MEC elects a “status quo” Chair then I suspect his tenure will be short.

[asleep_at_the_yoke]

Most important role? Hmm perhaps. However, the MEC itself makes the decisions not the Chair. He is the spokesman. Whoever they elect will have a difficult job bringing both the MEC and the membership together.

Sorry to say my predictions for MM were correct but I do have high hopes for the only candidate who has stepped forward so far. Hopefully everyone will rally behind him. If the MEC elects a “status quo” Chair then I suspect his tenure will be short.

Well in MM's case, when you have a MEC vote and when said MEC is split 5/5 on nearly everything and the Chair is the tie breaker the Chair very much makes decisions.

In a perfect world the MEC Chair should be a facilitator for the rest of the MEC to come to consensus and lead as one, instead of a toxic fractured group they currently are no thanks to YUL, YVR and YWG. I hope the one person I know you're talking about wins, as I also have high hopes. That said I think it will be a fight to the end with the three bases listed above. They want status quo, for what reason I don't know. Too many are buddy buddy with KOB and MS. RG needs to get turfed as well.

[Fanblade]

Most important role? Hmm perhaps. However, the MEC itself makes the decisions not the Chair. He is the spokesman. Whoever they elect will have a difficult job bringing both the MEC and the membership together.

Sorry to say my predictions for MM were correct but I do have high hopes for the only candidate who has stepped forward so far. Hopefully everyone will rally behind him. If the MEC elects a “status quo” Chair then I suspect his tenure will be short.

Ratherbe,

We have a long history of split MEC’s and the chair constantly breaking the tie. TA1 was this way. The last 3 years have been this way.

In fact the last three years have been so bad that MEC members have put lawyers into action against their opposition on the MEC. Not just the TL affair. There is more.

[RippleRock]

Thinking back over the last decade, I believe it would have been better for the pilot group to have had no representation at all, just a contract. That's saying something.

Our representatives have simply been a conduit for Management to lower our expectations and subvert/corrupt our collective agreement. There should be NO buddy-buddy relationship ever. The love-in with Ben Smith who joined our MEC onstage in Toronto at the Convention Center to sell the last contract was the last straw for me. He was given the floor longer than any union official. It was a rotten move that reeked of complicity. I walked out in disgust.

Those complicit during that sell job are still making decisions for the Membership. There are 4 that should be ousted, pronto. No doubt a few are running for the top job.

[asleep_at_the_yoke]

Most important role? Hmm perhaps. However, the MEC itself makes the decisions not the Chair. He is the spokesman. Whoever they elect will have a difficult job bringing both the MEC and the membership together.

Sorry to say my predictions for MM were correct but I do have high hopes for the only candidate who has stepped forward so far. Hopefully everyone will rally behind him. If the MEC elects a “status quo” Chair then I suspect his tenure will be short.

Ratherbe,

We have a long history of split MEC’s and the chair constantly breaking the tie. TA1 was this way. The last 3 years have been this way.

In fact the last three years have been so bad that MEC members have put lawyers into action against their opposition on the MEC. Not just the TL affair. There is more.

MM went hard after some MEC members with false claims that they leaked information. All the while Mr Montreal openly posts and shares in camera information on his Montreal Fan Page, and via untraceable phone calls. It's hypocrisy at it's finest.

[RippleRock]

Happy GR won.

Congrats. Let's see how this works out....or not.

[altiplano]

Now the YUL vice is gone... the tides are turning.

[asleep_at_the_yoke]

Now the YUL vice is gone... the tides are turning.

We'll see. YUL is a tough base for change. The ALPA fear is alive and well over there.

[Ratherbe]

Most important role? Hmm perhaps. However, the MEC itself makes the decisions not the Chair. He is the spokesman. Whoever they elect will have a difficult job bringing both the MEC and the membership together.

Sorry to say my predictions for MM were correct but I do have high hopes for the only candidate who has stepped forward so far. Hopefully everyone will rally behind him. If the MEC elects a “status quo” Chair then I suspect his tenure will be short.

Ratherbe,

We have a long history of split MEC’s and the chair constantly breaking the tie. TA1 was this way. The last 3 years have been this way.

In fact the last three years have been so bad that MEC members have put lawyers into action against their opposition on the MEC. Not just the TL affair. There is more.

We also have a long history of pilots with different opinions. Gary’s challenge will be to unite all of us, assuming we want to be. If it’s true that if there is a long history of “the chair constantly breaking the tie” it would be in the MEC Minutes. I don’t think this is true. Maybe this was new with MM? FYI, RRO has restrictions on how a Chair should vote to split a tie.

More lawyers? Oh great!

Hopefully things are changing for the better.

[Fanblade]

Most important role? Hmm perhaps. However, the MEC itself makes the decisions not the Chair. He is the spokesman. Whoever they elect will have a difficult job bringing both the MEC and the membership together.

Sorry to say my predictions for MM were correct but I do have high hopes for the only candidate who has stepped forward so far. Hopefully everyone will rally behind him. If the MEC elects a “status quo” Chair then I suspect his tenure will be short.

Ratherbe,

We have a long history of split MEC’s and the chair constantly breaking the tie. TA1 was this way. The last 3 years have been this way.

In fact the last three years have been so bad that MEC members have put lawyers into action against their opposition on the MEC. Not just the TL affair. There is more.

We also have a long history of pilots with different opinions. Gary’s challenge will be to unite all of us, assuming we want to be. If it’s true that if there is a long history of “the chair constantly breaking the tie” it would be in the MEC Minutes. I don’t think this is true. Maybe this was new with MM? FYI, RRO has restrictions on how a Chair should vote to split a tie.

More lawyers? Oh great!

Hopefully things are changing for the better.

ACPA doesn’t record votes. Even in the minutes. Crazy right?

The lead up to the TA1 fiasco also had a 50/50 split on the MEC with the chair breaking ties a lot.

But unless you start digging. You would never know.

[Ratherbe]

Ratherbe,

We have a long history of split MEC’s and the chair constantly breaking the tie. TA1 was this way. The last 3 years have been this way.

In fact the last three years have been so bad that MEC members have put lawyers into action against their opposition on the MEC. Not just the TL affair. There is more.

We also have a long history of pilots with different opinions. Gary’s challenge will be to unite all of us, assuming we want to be. If it’s true that if there is a long history of “the chair constantly breaking the tie” it would be in the MEC Minutes. I don’t think this is true. Maybe this was new with MM? FYI, RRO has restrictions on how a Chair should vote to split a tie.

More lawyers? Oh great!

Hopefully things are changing for the better.

ACPA doesn’t record votes. Even in the minutes. Crazy right?

The lead up to the TA1 fiasco also had a 50/50 split on the MEC with the chair breaking ties a lot.

But unless you start digging. You would never know.

Or I guess you could forget about actually digging and just make up “facts” to support your position.

If I remember there were 6 vs 4 back then so the Chair wouldn’t have needed to vote. I really don’t get the whole recorded vote thing to be honest. Will that be the magic cure for all that is lacking or will it just make the whole process more political? Seems to me that a better decision making process and far better communication is required instead. That’s the Chair’s job.

[Fanblade]

We also have a long history of pilots with different opinions. Gary’s challenge will be to unite all of us, assuming we want to be. If it’s true that if there is a long history of “the chair constantly breaking the tie” it would be in the MEC Minutes. I don’t think this is true. Maybe this was new with MM? FYI, RRO has restrictions on how a Chair should vote to split a tie.

More lawyers? Oh great!

Hopefully things are changing for the better.

ACPA doesn’t record votes. Even in the minutes. Crazy right?

The lead up to the TA1 fiasco also had a 50/50 split on the MEC with the chair breaking ties a lot.

But unless you start digging. You would never know.

Or I guess you could forget about actually digging and just make up “facts” to support your position.

If I remember there were 6 vs 4 back then so the Chair wouldn’t have needed to vote. I really don’t get the whole recorded vote thing to be honest. Will that be the magic cure for all that is lacking or will it just make the whole process more political? Seems to me that a better decision making process and far better communication is required instead. That’s the Chair’s job.

Every democracy on the planet has recorded votes. Without recorded votes there is no transparency. It is similar to why an independent press is a fundamental aspect of democracy.

Without transparency there is no accountability. Without accountability things often go bad.

Without transparency the people are not really voting their will. They are guessing. The electorate is left to vote blind.

My recollection is that the someone voted for themselves to become chair and the voting swung from 5/5 to 6/4.

But it was 10 years ago now so it is entirely possible my memory has failed me.