Best guess when hiring will happen

[Skyfoxal]

Flair and Porter expansion should cause reason #2 to be a catalyst.

Perhaps, but I'd be somewhat doubtful of that.

I'm not sure why any Jazz FO would leave and go to Porter, especially since most of the Jazz FOs hired in the last 2-3 years are working there with the goal of flowing through to AC mainline. Even with flow-through being delayed until perhaps 2023, why take the risk and jump ship to what will essentially be a startup operation with an uncertain future?

With regard to Flair, my understanding is they've been hiring almost exclusively 737-rated or other Boeing-rated experienced captains. I would expect 5,000+ hours total time, probably more, with significant jet PIC experience at a minimum to be competitive there, at least until the industry rebounds further, and the pool of laid-off Sunwing/Transat/WestJet pilots diminishes as they are recalled to their respective airlines. Would there be any Jazz FOs that would meet these requirements? For Captains, what would be the motivation to make the move?

I'm not suggesting that there will be zero attrition, but I don't think Porter's or Flair's expansion will be as much of a driver for attrition as you're assuming.

There are experienced former SKV and Jazz pilots that were either CA or held a CA award pre-COVID that cannot hold it now or even in the near future. Some of them will move on. Some already have.

Unless your ultimate goal is AC via Jazz, there are other opportunities out there and more presenting themselves every day.

I came to jazz with a bunch of time and this is my case, I can’t afford to be a regional FO, without that upgrade I’m toast. Looking for other opportunities.

[link821]

Awfully quiet round here, no updates I guess?

[a2btrail]

Awfully quiet round here, no updates I guess?

LOL. We are all busy here a Jazz working away at Max blocks. Everyone is just focused on getting back in track. Glad to see things busy.

[RegionalPilot]

Awfully quiet round here, no updates I guess?

LOL. We are all busy here a Jazz working away at Max blocks. Everyone is just focused on getting back in track. Glad to see things busy.

Let’s recall/rehire those 2 cancelled/postponed ground schools from 2020

[a2btrail]

Awfully quiet round here, no updates I guess?

LOL. We are all busy here a Jazz working away at Max blocks. Everyone is just focused on getting back in track. Glad to see things busy.

Let’s recall/rehire those 2 cancelled/postponed ground schools from 2020

I hope that it happens for you! However atm all sims are running 24/7 as our training department has over 450+ training events that need to be completed over the next 14 months due to the recent bid shuffle. In the upcoming Q1 Equip Bid we will have a better idea on whether there is a requirement for further vacancies to be filled. All the best!

[dhc#]

Even when Jazz does resume hiring, new hires should expect long stints on reserve and little opportunity for an upgrade until movement to AC starts again whenever that will be.

[rudder]

There seem to be stronger indications that hiring may resume in Spring 2022.

How could that happen?

1. An Equipment Bid runs in January 2022
2. There are unbid FO vacancies in the bid
3. The company is not obliged to hire to fill these vacancies, but likely will.
4. The timeline to hire to fill these FO vacancies could span May-October 2022

Jazz mostly hires for attrition. Attrition levels for 2022 are expected be low due to nominal retirements and zero movement to AC. That of course could change and there could be attrition to other flying opportunities.

[Kosiw]

There seem to be stronger indications that hiring may resume in Spring 2022.

How could that happen?

1. An Equipment Bid runs in January 2022
2. There are unbid FO vacancies in the bid
3. The company is not obliged to hire to fill these vacancies, but likely will.
4. The timeline to hire to fill these FO vacancies could span May-October 2022

Jazz mostly hires for attrition. Attrition levels for 2022 are expected be low due to nominal retirements and zero movement to AC. That of course could change and there could be attrition to other flying opportunities.

Nice to hear some "potential" positive news !

[Inverted2]

Another wildcard to consider is if Porter actually starts getting Embrarers next year. I would think some of the junior 175 pilots might make the move over there. That could free up some spots at Jazz. I doubt AC will be hiring in 2022. Still have hundreds laid off over 18 months now.

[link821]

There seem to be stronger indications that hiring may resume in Spring 2022.

How could that happen?

1. An Equipment Bid runs in January 2022
2. There are unbid FO vacancies in the bid
3. The company is not obliged to hire to fill these vacancies, but likely will.
4. The timeline to hire to fill these FO vacancies could span May-October 2022

Jazz mostly hires for attrition. Attrition levels for 2022 are expected be low due to nominal retirements and zero movement to AC. That of course could change and there could be attrition to other flying opportunities.

Well may-oct 22 would be awesome! Guess by January we’ll know more. Thanks for the insight.

[Kosiw]

There seem to be stronger indications that hiring may resume in Spring 2022.

How could that happen?

1. An Equipment Bid runs in January 2022
2. There are unbid FO vacancies in the bid
3. The company is not obliged to hire to fill these vacancies, but likely will.
4. The timeline to hire to fill these FO vacancies could span May-October 2022

Jazz mostly hires for attrition. Attrition levels for 2022 are expected be low due to nominal retirements and zero movement to AC. That of course could change and there could be attrition to other flying opportunities.

Hey Rudder, curious as to what the "stronger indications" are that might push hiring by the spring of 22 ? You mentioned attrition...are you finding that Jazz FO's not returning for recall...or are there other reasons not mentioned above ?

[rudder]

Hey Rudder, curious as to what the "stronger indications" are that might push hiring by the spring of 22 ? You mentioned attrition...are you finding that Jazz FO's not returning for recall...or are there other reasons not mentioned above ?

Forecast Imbalanced rosters (CA vs FO) and it seems to be a common commentary circulating within the Jazz training dept at CAE.

Limiting factor/timing will be training resources available.

[link821]

Did the first class from March 2020 get training dates yet?

[Stayfly121]

Yeah

[link821]

Yeah

Do you know when?

[Stayfly121]

Training dates are out of seniority. They range from Nov-April.

[link821]

Training dates are out of seniority. They range from Nov-April.

Cheers

[the-minister31]

Training dates are out of seniority. They range from Nov-April.

Some dates go all the way to october 2022

[rudder]

Training dates are out of seniority. They range from Nov-April.

Some dates go all the way to october 2022

With some exceptions on the EMB FO rosters, the following guidelines appear to apply in the training plan:

Return-to-work and D8 pilots who’s airplane is being retired from service will be filling initial training slots.

No initial type training planned June-Aug.

Sept/Oct for pilots who are switching from CRJ to EMB or vice versa.

[link821]

Training dates are out of seniority. They range from Nov-April.

Some dates go all the way to october 2022

With some exceptions on the EMB FO rosters, the following guidelines appear to apply in the training plan:

Return-to-work and D8 pilots who’s airplane is being retired from service will be filling initial training slots.

No initial type training planned June-Aug.

Sept/Oct for pilots who are switching from CRJ to EMB or vice versa.

No initials from June to August meaning rehires could possibly start in May 2022 or Sept/Oct 2022?

[rudder]

No initials from June to August meaning rehires could possibly start in May 2022 or Sept/Oct 2022?

May 2022? Possible, but depends on whether there are any resources available in the training dept.

Sept/Oct? Very likely assuming vacant FO positions in Bid 2022-01.

[link821]

No initials from June to August meaning rehires could possibly start in May 2022 or Sept/Oct 2022?

May 2022? Possible, but depends on whether there are any resources available in the training dept.

Sept/Oct? Very likely assuming vacant FO positions in Bid 2022-01.

Okay understood, thanks rudder

[fixnfly]

No initials from June to August meaning rehires could possibly start in May 2022 or Sept/Oct 2022?

May 2022? Possible, but depends on whether there are any resources available in the training dept.

Sept/Oct? Very likely assuming vacant FO positions in Bid 2022-01.

I'm pretty sure it'll likely be at least October/November 2022. There are pilots that selected option 2; to start when their training date is set and were placed on a loa until then because they couldn't hold their type in the fall bid or their type was being retired. The company set those training dates for September/October 2022. The idea was that those pilots would be trained and returned to work sometime this winter but training priority goes to those on the payroll, and the company just doesn't have a need for that many pilots right now.

[the-minister31]

Training dates are out of seniority. They range from Nov-April.

Some dates go all the way to october 2022

With some exceptions on the EMB FO rosters, the following guidelines appear to apply in the training plan:

Return-to-work and D8 pilots who’s airplane is being retired from service will be filling initial training slots.

No initial type training planned June-Aug.

Sept/Oct for pilots who are switching from CRJ to EMB or vice versa.

I see a few ex-sky EMB FO are sched for october and it's return-to-work training as far as I know, do they fall behing the pilots transitionning from the RJ?

[rudder]

I see a few ex-sky EMB FO are sched for october and it's return-to-work training as far as I know, do they fall behing the pilots transitionning from the RJ?

RTW pilots are being requalified on type they were current on prior to layoff (except D8). This may or may not line up with their final position from Bid 2021-01.