Parlez vous le 'spy talk'?

[altiplano]

Oh counterpoint... Quebec and Quebecers... centre of the universe... so fragile... so special... we all need kid gloves to handle you.

Rousseau was offensive? Arrogant? No. Treating and embarrassing someone, a guest speaker, the way they did, that's rude, that's arrogance.

Everyone wasn't raised with the circumstance of being able to master 2 languages early in life. Workload, professional obligations, and personal responsibilities for most people throughout adult life make it completely unrealistic for the majority of people.

Maybe Quebec should leave Canada if that's the way you feel about people from other backgrounds, if you're so offended that everyone isn't just like you. Pay your debt on the way out the door and go be special the way you see fit.

[TG]

Maybe Quebec should leave Canada if that's the way you feel about people from other backgrounds, if you're so offended that everyone isn't just like you.

In this story, it is absolutely not about "Everyone has to be like you" (Aka speaking le Français) But simply about "Respect"

French 101: The word respect in French is...Respect!
Same thing

[altiplano]

Maybe Quebec should leave Canada if that's the way you feel about people from other backgrounds, if you're so offended that everyone isn't just like you.

In this story, it is absolutely not about "Everyone has to be like you" (Aka speaking le Français) But simply about "Respect"

French 101: The word respect in French is...Respect!
Same thing

So because someone doesn't speak a language they are disrespecting you?

Fragile.

[eyebrow737]

Maybe Quebec should leave Canada if that's the way you feel about people from other backgrounds, if you're so offended that everyone isn't just like you.

In this story, it is absolutely not about "Everyone has to be like you" (Aka speaking le Français) But simply about "Respect"

French 101: The word respect in French is...Respect!
Same thing

Maybe Quebec should RESPECT other people speaking one of Canada's official Languages in Canada. No one should have to defend their right to speak in the official language of their choice.

[Inverted2]

Again, tell me if our new Governor General speaks French.

A federal position appointed by our Prime Minister none the less.

Can’t believe the Liberals are going down this road… hypochondriacal much?

Well Trudy hasn’t exactly had a good track record picking GG’s. Remember the Space B!tch?

[TG]

Maybe Quebec should leave Canada if that's the way you feel about people from other backgrounds, if you're so offended that everyone isn't just like you.

In this story, it is absolutely not about "Everyone has to be like you" (Aka speaking le Français) But simply about "Respect"

French 101: The word respect in French is...Respect!
Same thing

So because someone doesn't speak a language they are disrespecting you?

Fragile.

Not at all, again you are generalizing. We are referring to a single person here who spent 14 years in a place not learning the very basics of a local language (And nobody is asking him to be fluent with it)
Like you, I don’t care if a guy deep down in Alberta doesn’t know how to say hello in a second language.

[Counterpoint]

Oh counterpoint... Quebec and Quebecers... centre of the universe... so fragile... so special... we all need kid gloves to handle you.

Rousseau was offensive? Arrogant? No. Treating and embarrassing someone, a guest speaker, the way they did, that's rude, that's arrogance.

Everyone wasn't raised with the circumstance of being able to master 2 languages early in life. Workload, professional obligations, and personal responsibilities for most people throughout adult life make it completely unrealistic for the majority of people.

Maybe Quebec should leave Canada if that's the way you feel about people from other backgrounds, if you're so offended that everyone isn't just like you. Pay your debt on the way out the door and go be special the way you see fit.

Bonjour Altiplano,

MR could have answered exactly the same way he did in French and the arrogance and rudeness only someone from this part of the Canada would understand.

You aren’t from Quebec, you don’t live in Quebec, those that are from or live in Quebec do understand. Even unilingual anglophones understand politeness in Quebec when it comes to language. He should have known better, every other person Franco or Anglo in Montreal has figured it out.

It isn’t the language of French, or the ability to live a normal daily or professional life without the ability of speaking French which is at issue here. Try and understand what Quebecers are upset about. As I mentioned previously, would you have answered that way in Montreal ?

I notice you call yourself a “disagreeable non-conformist”

Case in point: are you off work for no-vax, at work with an allowance for no-vax or at work and vaxed ?

[eyebrow737]

You aren’t from Quebec, you don’t live in Quebec, those that are from or live in Quebec do understand. Even unilingual anglophones understand politeness in Quebec when it comes to language. He should have known better, every other person Franco or Anglo in Montreal has figured it out.

Counterpoint. I'm not from Quebec, but I live in Quebec. neither French nor English is my first Language. However I do live in Canada where both English and Canada are official languages. I have lived all over the world and have never encountered such arrogance as the French display here.

Who cares if an Anglo doesn't speak French? No where else have I seen such hate and anger as the French display towards English speakers. They have bought in laws that FORCE people to use a different language (from a countries official language no less). Where else do you see this in Canada? Laws forcing a person to use English.

If you speak French somewhere else in Canada, you will just be ignored at the very worst. Here in Quebec you will be shouted at, ridiculed or the police will be called at the very worst. No, it is Quebecers that should try to understand how the Anglos feel. This is from a third party who is not Anglo or French.

The fact of matter is the French here are bullies who use language as a weapon against their fellow countrymen who have bent over backwards to try to make them feel valued.

[Counterpoint]

If you aren’t from Quebec and are an allophone living in Quebec, or an Anglophone living in Canada, then perhaps you might try and get a perspective from a generation of Francophones living in Quebec, that were raised, educated, and worked in the pre-Révolution Tranquille era.

That perspective will garner you some background of why Quebecers are miffed at the remarks made by MR.

Understanding is a much better way of showing respect. No ?

There are some things you don’t say out loud in Quebec because you know it isn’t just about language. That is where MR failed, he embarrassed himself and is now facing the prospect of learning a new language (recently announced) in order to make amends for which he has already apologized for.

He should have known better.

[eyebrow737]

If you aren’t from Quebec and are an allophone living in Quebec, or an Anglophone living in Canada, then perhaps you might try and get a perspective from a generation of Francophones living in Quebec, that were raised, educated, and worked in the pre-Révolution Tranquille era.

That perspective will garner you some background of why Quebecers are miffed at the remarks made by MR.

Understanding is a much better way of showing respect. No ?

There are some things you don’t say out loud in Quebec because you know it isn’t just about language. That is where MR failed, he embarrassed himself and is now facing the prospect of learning a new language (recently announced) in order to make amends for which he had already apologized for.

He should have known better.

I am surrounded by that perspective everyday. Understanding does not mean that I have to sympathize with your thoughts nor does it mean that I have to respect your thoughts. I know the history of Quebec as well as any Quebecer.

And frankly I find the term allophone offensive. I am a Canadian now. Your divisiveness by sub labelling groups even when you talk about respect shows that your lack of understanding of the others around you is not beyond reproach.

You ask for others to understand your viewpoint but no where have you tried to understand other Canadians view points. It's always just about the French isn't it?

The Quebec people unfortunately will only understand this when it is too late. They are alienating themselves against more that just the majority of the country they live in

[Counterpoint]

“ Understanding does not mean that I have to sympathize with your thoughts nor does it mean that I have to respect your thoughts.”

Bravo - you’ve made my point.

[mijbil]

Time for the QC french language inquisitors to fire up the forges and heat the branding irons for the latest heretic. This guy is from Justin's favourite company, SNC Lavalin of the 9000 jobs 'saved'.... well until the former justice minister, Jody Wilson-Raybould (correctly) refused to go along with the corruption, but that's another tale.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal ... -1.6246286
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/busines ... in-quebec/
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/snc-lavalin ... -1.1680841

[altiplano]

Rousseau is complimenting Montreal and its' people for welcoming him, for being so diverse and tolerant and accepting of an outsider with subpar French ability that is intended as a friendly gesture and show of respect... but it's not enough, never will be enough, for Counterpoint, Quebec, and Quebecers... centre of the universe in this country...

Every Canadian knows it, kid gloves handling Quebec issues, so fragile, so sensitive... really it's just bullshit leverage that will never end against the rest of us...

Every other Canadian rolls their eyes.

I don't care anymore. Go be what you want to be and pay your bill at the door.

[mijbil]

Another good article. The comments are worth a read as well.
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/chris- ... -civilians
The QCers are cutting their economic throats with this language business. The author touches on other points as well such as the fact that the "pur laine" are not reproducing at even a replacement rate and are thus having to import from such sought after french speaking locales like Haiti, Cameroon, and the Ivory Coast. The full list is in the article.
Having arrogant fools like the black faced surfing coward of the cottage chime in is only making it worse. Here he is telling us how great he and all the QC PM's have been.
Really?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNg3acnGAsc 0:48 for the verbals from JT with English subtitles
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/kelly- ... not-canada
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudea ... -1.1241750

I'm with you Altiplano

Rousseau is complimenting Montreal and its' people for welcoming him, for being so diverse and tolerant and accepting of an outsider with subpar French ability that is intended as a friendly gesture and show of respect... but it's not enough, never will be enough, for Counterpoint, Quebec, and Quebecers... centre of the universe in this country...

Every Canadian knows it, kid gloves handling Quebec issues, so fragile, so sensitive... really it's just bullshit leverage that will never end against the rest of us...

Every other Canadian rolls their eyes.

I don't care anymore. Go be what you want to be and pay your bill at the door.

Add in the Yukon and NWT and this idea is looking better and better every day. For those out there in avcanadaland, ask yourself "When were things this divided before"? If you answered, "The last time a Trudeau was in power" you would be correct. This sort of arrogant language business by these commissars and militant so-called journalists is yet another example of why it is fast becoming time for the Two Solitudes to go their separate ways and let them (QC) pay their own way without "Equalization Payments" assistance. Earlier I incorrectly called them "Transfer Payments. And before anyone retorts that this year for the first time in decades that money is actually going to AB from this program, ask yourself "Why"? Is it because blackface has declared eco-war on Alberta? Way to go QC (pipeline to the east) Way to go Justin. When the money runs out and/or we lose faith in the fiat as blackface keeps printing it via the Bank of Canada and firing it out the money cannon, what then? Fun times ahead as the language polizei keep carrying on about the decline of their precious Quebecois joual while we slowly slide further into an economic morass. This last paragraph is a slight thread drift I realize, but they are related. Expect more business to leave QC.

The truly ironic thing is that if it wasn't for the British whom you "pur laine" despise, you in QC would be speaking English today.
https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/ ... quebec-act

[altiplano]

ROWC.

Love it.

I'm prepared to start small and let it grow...

[Counterpoint]

Rousseau is complimenting Montreal and its' people for welcoming him, for being so diverse and tolerant and accepting of an outsider with subpar French ability that is intended as a friendly gesture and show of respect... but it's not enough, never will be enough, for Counterpoint, Quebec, and Quebecers... centre of the universe in this country...

Every Canadian knows it, kid gloves handling Quebec issues, so fragile, so sensitive... really it's just bullshit leverage that will never end against the rest of us...

Every other Canadian rolls their eyes.

I don't care anymore. Go be what you want to be and pay your bill at the door.

He is not an outsider with subpar French. That is the point. Now you see what Quebecers understand.

He an inside longtime resident with no ability in French whatsoever. That will change soon.

Speaking of change, have you stopped work for not being vaxed, still working with an allowance for not being vaxed, or are you vaxed ?

[altiplano]

Rousseau is complimenting Montreal and its' people for welcoming him, for being so diverse and tolerant and accepting of an outsider with subpar French ability that is intended as a friendly gesture and show of respect... but it's not enough, never will be enough, for Counterpoint, Quebec, and Quebecers... centre of the universe in this country...

Every Canadian knows it, kid gloves handling Quebec issues, so fragile, so sensitive... really it's just bullshit leverage that will never end against the rest of us...

Every other Canadian rolls their eyes.

I don't care anymore. Go be what you want to be and pay your bill at the door.

He is not an outsider with subpar French. That is the point. Now you see what Quebecers understand.

He an inside longtime resident with no ability in French whatsoever. That will change soon.

He is an outsider and always will be, he isn't part of your distinct society.

[TG]

Rousseau is complimenting Montreal and its' people for welcoming him, for being so diverse and tolerant and accepting of an outsider with subpar French ability that is intended as a friendly gesture and show of respect... but it's not enough, never will be enough, for Counterpoint, Quebec, and Quebecers... centre of the universe in this country...

Every Canadian knows it, kid gloves handling Quebec issues, so fragile, so sensitive... really it's just bullshit leverage that will never end against the rest of us...

Every other Canadian rolls their eyes.

I don't care anymore. Go be what you want to be and pay your bill at the door.

He is not an outsider with subpar French. That is the point. Now you see what Quebecers understand.

He an inside longtime resident with no ability in French whatsoever. That will change soon.

Speaking of change, have you stopped work for not being vaxed, still working with an allowance for not being vaxed, or are you vaxed ?

altiplano had his vaccins if I recall correctly so he could say that he succumbed to another type of:

"bullshit leverage that will never end against the rest of us..."

[altiplano]

altiplano had his vaccins if I recall correctly so he could say that he succumbed to another type of:

"bullshit leverage that will never end against the rest of us..."

I don't know how you can recall that because I certainly haven't discussed it with you or anyone on this board. The challenges are ongoing.

And it has nothing to do with this conversation so I don't know why you or counterpoint would start inserting it.

Really shows you have no argument here.

[Counterpoint]

Every society is distinct Altiplano, including for those that have lived in Montreal for a long time and haven’t bothered to try and learn French. They are insiders and they have no desire to learn the language of the provincial majority until they embarrass themselves.

Which brings me to my questions about your vax situation.

As I see it, there are only three possible outcomes from your previous “disagreeable non-conformist” attitude towards vaccinations.

1) after all your hyper-talk about not wanting the vaccine, you would take it despite your objection.

2) you will not take it, stick to your guns and take the hit in the wallet.

3) you would not take it and ask for some sort of allowance for returning to work but not have to take the vax.

It appears it’s number 3) which goes with what any “disagreeable non-conformist” would do.

Now let me draw the parallel. Much like the vaccine, the language culture here in Quebec is a government led set of laws made up to protect a society. A society without cultural and linguistic protection and surrounded by a large and therefore contagious other culture can easily disappear or be weakened with a potential loss.

So what does a government do ? They mandate a form of behaviour that protects. Society has three choices. They can either comply and appreciate the government’s efforts. They can defy the government’s mandates because they are convinced there is a better way or they can look at some form of protest and try for some kind of accommodation for their particular fear. The last choice constantly fails in the courts of public opinion but more importantly in the courts of law.

I wish you well in your efforts to challenge the vaccine mandate, but as I’m sure you know, it will be a very hard road. You are prepared to go the distance and I appreciate that. You are in the minority and being “disagreeable and non-conformist” towards both Quebec’s language culture and Canada’s federal mandate to keep workers safe. But you admit to being that way and that is also admirable.

Can you see how your temperament is not made for the majority whether it’s language law, vaccine mandates or Union MOA’s ? Take the vax and appreciate the distinct culture inside Canada or ?

[TG]

altiplano had his vaccins if I recall correctly so he could say that he succumbed to another type of:

"bullshit leverage that will never end against the rest of us..."

I don't know how you can recall that because I certainly haven't discussed it with you or anyone on this board. The challenges are ongoing.

And it has nothing to do with this conversation so I don't know why you or counterpoint would start inserting it.

Really shows you have no argument here.

You are right, my apologies I mixed you up with another username.
It has something to do though... Has Counterpoint nicely wrote above and to put it very simply, your vaccination stance has you in the side of a challenged minority.

[mijbil]

Counterpoint maks a curious and somewhat telling analogy.

Much like the vaccine, the language culture here in Quebec is a government led set of laws made up to protect a society. A society without cultural and linguistic protection and surrounded by a large and therefore contagious other culture can easily disappear or be weakened with a potential loss.

In his view then, English is thus a contagion requiring an 'inoculation' via the language Stasi with their verbal pitchforks, tar,feathers, and branding irons to ensure the 'purity' of the language of the pur laine of the 'nation' of QC. In the real world both English on either side of the Atlantic as well as french from France has adapted and morphed over the centuries into its modern generally clearly spoken and understood form, from what it was in the time of Samuel de Champlain. In QC this is not the case with the precious joual of the pur laine.
Well, clearly the inoculations aren't working so well, given the decline of the population of the pur laine population and the requirement to import yet more french speakers to keep propping up the numbers.
If they were to do this at their own expense, have at it, but unfortunately, via the liberal created equalization formula from '50s or 60's, WE have to pay for this. Driving business off even more via this latest bit of hubris will require yet more welfare/equalization payments to QC. In the real world budgets do not 'balance themselves' despite the musings of the blackfaced trust fund man-child. In the fantasy world of QC, the budget is balanced via these equalization payments while they continue to spend their money on these language commissars. What is missing is a good reason for us to continue this charade.
When even the Toronto (Red - sic) Star weighs in suggesting that AC should move its headquarters to Toronto, you should know you have a problem.
https://www.thestar.com/business/opinio ... c-inc.html

I'll finish with a pic of a cartoon from 106 years ago. The only thing missing from it is the Maritimes doing some shovelling. In my time on this planet, I have never seen Western Separatist sentiment so high. Unlike QC, we could make an economic go of it and be better off in the long run.

[EPR]

Quebec french language is a "pigs Latin'!
And on another rant...sign the Goddamned Canadian Constitution seeing as you enjoy the 13.1 BILLION in equalization payments this year alone, but won't allow Alberta/Sask. Oil to flow to your stupid ass Province...meanwhile you import 80% of your oil/gas from the middle east/usa! #AssHoles

[TeePeeCreeper]

Quebec french language is a "pigs Latin'!
And on another rant...sign the Goddamned Canadian Constitution seeing as you enjoy the 13.1 BILLION in equalization payments this year alone, but won't allow Alberta/Sask. Oil to flow to your stupid ass Province...meanwhile you import 80% of your oil/gas from the middle east/usa! #AssHoles

Yikes! (Tell us how you really feel?) any more vitriol to regal us with?

TPC

[EPR]

No, nothing else to add.