Air Sprint working conditions

[globaltrainer]

Hi

Looking for feeback on Air Sprint working conditions. Any comment is greatly appreciated. PM me if you feel more comfortable.

Acheo

[co-joe]

Airsprint HR is on here and usually answers most questions about the company. Here's some light reading while you wait.

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[Minimums]

Hi

Looking for feeback on Air Sprint working conditions. Any comment is greatly appreciated. PM me if you feel more comfortable.

Acheo

Best to ask them yourself, in person.

Hang out at sky service in yyz for more than an hour and you’ll see some come through. Look for the ones with non-matching luggage (it’s not a joke), with black eyes and the look of beaten submission or shear exhaustion, usually carrying some sort of fast food packaging or bumming food from net-jet guys (also, sadly, not a joke).

Chances are you won’t see a lot of the same faces as they have an incredible turn over rate. New ones start off all smiles, but that doesn’t seem to last long. Find me a happy captain there who isn’t looking elsewhere, and i’d buy the coffee.

Their management is quite active here, so best to get both sides of the story. They are not a unionized operation, but i hear a lot of rumours of one coming, so best get it from the horses mouth. To be fair, they are adding a lot of tails, so business must be good, but they are a chaotic scheduled bunch; ask any non-sprint pilot or peeps who work with them, it’s exhausting listening to them say where they’re going or where they’ve been, but almost none can tell you where they were yesterday or what day it is.

One can learn a lot observing from the jump seat or sidelines, suggest a drive over and see for yourself.

[‘Bob’]

Same story around YVR/YYC.

All of the drawbacks of a regional schedule with none of the side effects of seniority or advancement or travel perks or experience.

Forget the fun layover of a week in the Caribbean, you are empty leg back to base for your next trip or even worse taking more New Money ay hoels some other place shortly after you touch down.

Because remember boys and girls these aren’t managed airplanes.. it’s fractional. And unlike that Mexican time share they went to.. they don’t care what piece of metal is getting them home. They paid for a McJet and that’s what they get.

You even get to clean up your own plane old school WestJet style. Help yourself to some leftovers.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

These few responses are very comprehensive, and draw a pretty clear picture of what to expect. It sounds similar to management scheduling

[delfinjetpilot]

You even get to clean up your own plane old school WestJet style.

That's not true. I've never seen Westjet pilots run around with a lav or dumping it...

[Bug_Stomper_01]

You even get to clean up your own plane old school WestJet style.

That's not true. I've never seen Westjet pilots run around with a lav or dumping it...

I think he meant straightening the cabin

[Liftdump]

Someone is missing the humor.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

Someone is missing the humor.

Yep lol oops

[AirSprint HR]

Since travel restrictions were relaxed in late summer, AirSprint has been busier than ever before and our pilots have been working much more than desired by company leaders. AirSprint has always been a mix of busy and slow times, but the record increase in private aviation seen across the industry is taking some time to adjust to. These last two months the average work days per month for pilots has been 14. Having said that, the days have been much longer than usual. Everyone is working hard right now.

Several steps have been taken to help this but it has taken a few months to start taking effect. Primarily, AirSprint is adding 4 aircraft this month, 3 owned by the company to help alleviate the challenges posed by the recent very strong demand. With these extra aircraft come 20 more pilots to spread out the flying demand.

Regarding the attrition comment, it is in the low single digits.

Thanks,

James

[YVR G500]

I worked there over 15 years ago.
Horrific conditions, Judson was a complete AssHat.
Was advised on leaving I should not have expected to be treated better, they ‘are not a airline’.

I enjoyed the clients; they tipped well, I slept with a few of the female clients. However, of any place I have ever worked, it was hands down the worst.

[digits_]

I worked there over 15 years ago.
Horrific conditions, Judson was a complete AssHat.
Was advised on leaving I should not have expected to be treated better, they ‘are not a airline’.

I enjoyed the clients; they tipped well, I slept with a few of the female clients. However, of any place I have ever worked, it was hands down the worst.

Jeesh, that's a pretty extreme way of getting a hotel upgrade

[‘Bob’]

Regarding the attrition comment, it is in the low single digits.

That’s a statement that would make any politician proud.

Come on. Low single digits…….

……per year?


…..per month?


……per week?


…….per day?

Number of employees?

Percentage of employees?

Is that what Tiff is saying when he’s getting grilled on inflation figures? “Don’t worry.. it’s still low single digits just like it was before!”

Let’s put it this way. How many pilots get a watch from the company vs how many were issued lanyards?

[Flylikearedneck]

I slept with a few of the female clients.

Do they teach this in groundschool? Or is it a prerequisite?

Asking for a friend.

[j.harker]

Do you want to work for a regional airline that doesn't have flight attendants, aircraft groomers, ground crews, or dispatchers?

Do you want to work for a company that doesn't follow 705 (or even 704) flight duty regs?

Do you want to have 1-2 legs added to your day unexpectedly every other day?

Do you want to service the lav yourself?

Have you always dreamt of being a janitor?

If you said yes to all of those questions, you will still probably hate it there and you should just become an actual janitor because you will get paid more, work less, and have an infinitely superior quality of life.

[pelmet]

I enjoyed the clients; they tipped well, I slept with a few of the female clients.

Can I PM you?

[Minimums]

Same story around YVR/YYC.

All of the drawbacks of a regional schedule with none of the side effects of seniority or advancement or travel perks or experience.

Forget the fun layover of a week in the Caribbean, you are empty leg back to base for your next trip or even worse taking more New Money ay hoels some other place shortly after you touch down.

Because remember boys and girls these aren’t managed airplanes.. it’s fractional. And unlike that Mexican time share they went to.. they don’t care what piece of metal is getting them home. They paid for a McJet and that’s what they get.

You even get to clean up your own plane old school WestJet style. Help yourself to some leftovers.

While i don’t applaud the obvious conditions at Sprint, i would be weary of shaming the fractional idea of things too much. If we watch our cousins south of the border, (NJ, FJ, WU, XO) they are absolutely dominating the private market. Yes, they may work more than a typical corporate operation, but they are treated to some of the finest working conditions in terms of renumeration and job security, and Bub, those two things generally don’t go hand in hand in our world very often, so there is something of a case to be made there.

I guess the difference being that they (US market fractional market) view attrition as the enemy, where as in this case, it’s seems like part of the business model. Proper uniforms and coats vs fast food and mismatched luggage. Professional experienced crews vs bush pilots or regional rejects in shiny jets. Career company vs stepping stone. I’m sure it’s a great business to be in from a shareholder point of view, but any company worth it’s salt, doesn’t have to bond you, remember that kids. Hopefully you get your union and start ironing things out, all the right ingredients are there, and it would be a different conversation 3-5 years from now. Best of luck.

[pelmet]

At Netjets, it is 7 days on and 7 days off and they fly you from wherever there is an airline flight to your first flight location and then back home for your 7th day.

[AirSprintInc]

Lots of interesting information here so lets see if we can set the record straight a bit on some of it:

- YVR G500 I am sorry you did not receive fair treatment during your time with us and that the working conditions did not match your expectations. You are correct in saying we are not an airline, but that shouldn't matter, everyone should be treated fairly and our working conditions have improved substantially since that time, and we continue to work to improve them.

- 15 years ago we were still flying PC12's and Excels, on a 10/5 schedule (if I recall correctly) and we definitely were a very different company working conditions wise. Since then our pay scale has improved at least 3 times (again if I recall correctly), we introduced a PBS with different scheduling options (including a 7/7), and are now an all jet fleet among numerous other changes.

- The attrition rate comment from James above is a percentage of pilots over the past year (2021).

- With regards to matching luggage, this was actually on our radar for improvements prior to Covid but unfortunately was shelved with the uncertainty surrounding that. It is still on the list of items to address for us, but we are focusing on other improvements at the moment such as adding new aircraft and crews to improve the working and scheduling conditions for our pilots.

- We are aware our crews are working hard at the moment, and we have just added 2 CJ3+'s to our fleet, with another one joining next week. These additional aircraft will help spread out the workload and improve working conditions by reducing the amount of hours and legs flown for all crews.

Edit:

Professional experienced crews vs bush pilots or regional rejects in shiny jets.

After some reflection on whether this comment deserved a response I feel I do need to defend our crews. Our crews happen to be some of the best people in the industry who not only have above average flying ability, they consistently deliver customer service that is far beyond what is delivered elsewhere. They come from all types of previous experience, from major airlines to recent college graduates through our Mount Royal program and everything in between, and certainly are not "rejects" in any way, shape or form.

Matt

[UndisputedTruth]

Do you want to work for a regional airline that doesn't have flight attendants, aircraft groomers, ground crews, or dispatchers?

Do you want to work for a company that doesn't follow 705 (or even 704) flight duty regs?

Do you want to have 1-2 legs added to your day unexpectedly every other day?

Do you want to service the lav yourself?

Do you want to work for a CEO (Hi james!) who regularly brags with a huge smirk on his face about record profitability and expansion while at the same time telling you there is simply no way to improve compensation?

Do you want to get paid in Kudos? (fake super cringey internet points to encourage you to work even more than the inhuman amount of work you are already expected to do)

Have you always dreamt of being a janitor?

If you said yes to all of those questions, you will still probably hate it there and you should just become an actual janitor because you will get paid more, work less, and have an infinitely superior quality of life.

Ya that on top of no more money for compensation they just skimmed 10% off the top of everyone’s salary in 2020, that always helps profitability and buying more planes…

Single digit attrition rate in one of the worst years in history for aviation in nothing to brag about, what was it ending 2019

[digits_]

Ya that on top of no more money for compensation they just skimmed 10% off the top of everyone’s salary in 2020, that always helps profitability and buying more planes…

You had to take a 10% paycut?

[stef]

Fwiw, anyone with matching luggage is a bit of a douche in my book. Be proud you haven’t wasted money trying to be a fancy boy. Luggage comments telling of who is complaining here.

[‘Bob’]

I was actually curious about this. Is this a thing?

Because I’ve never noticed their’s or anyone else’s luggage.

[j.harker]

Fwiw, anyone with matching luggage is a bit of a douche in my book. Be proud you haven’t wasted money trying to be a fancy boy. Luggage comments telling of who is complaining here.

The reason everyone in the industry has matching luggage is because their company gives it to them. Like as part of their uniform...it's just a dig at sprint for being too cheap to give their pilots bags like everyone else. Mind you I didn't make that point myself because mismatched luggage is the least of it on a long, long list of grievances.

[‘Bob’]

I still think it’s really funny….

https://youtu.be/MvTAOZsfxac