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[foxforce5]

This is unbelievably scary. And very, very sad. But there's always that pilot.... trying to get out of that C-152....

[vanislepilot]

Sheesh, 20 dollars an hour to fly a Dash 8. There are many King Air jobs that pay better than that. Also, how is right seating on a 705 machine an entry level job? What does that make right seating at a 703? Or flying survey? Or all the other positions we take to get experience?

[Bug_Stomper_01]

Sheesh, 20 dollars an hour to fly a Dash 8. There are many King Air jobs that pay better than that. Also, how is right seating on a 705 machine an entry level job? What does that make right seating at a 703? Or flying survey? Or all the other positions we take to get experience?

Exactly, it’s not an “entry level job” as one of the aerosexuals put it earlier. It takes a ton of training and personal investment to get to that level.

[TailwheelPilot]

I think the point was that the pay is poor for anything but an entry level position.

Right seat in a Q400, ATR, 737, or A320 in many places is an entry level job.

Success is not defined by how big of a plane you fly.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

I think the point was that the pay is poor for anything but an entry level position.

Right seat in a Q400, ATR, 737, or A320 in many places is an entry level job.

Success is not defined by how big of a plane you fly.

It’s low for even an entry level job

[schnitzel2k3]

I think the point was that the pay is poor for anything but an entry level position.

Right seat in a Q400, ATR, 737, or A320 in many places is an entry level job.

Success is not defined by how big of a plane you fly.

It’s low for even an entry level job

I've always maintained that the wages in a market are defined by the best available opportunity and trickle down from there. Air Canada is regarded as the creme de la creme of opportunities and look at what a mess their agreement and union is in. When AC is paying between 52-95k for the first four years (excluding draft and upgrades), well you can't expect other airlines - especially feeders for said airline - to pick up the WAWCON torch.

Some advocates point the fingers at Westjet - but let's be honest, Westjet is not on par with any other international legacy carrier, including the company it was modeled after, Southwest. You don't see Delta stressing or blaming Southwest when it comes time for negotiations.

Once ACPA and their membership come together and correct their trajectory, we should see significant strides in the Canadian industry.

[rookiepilot]

I thought flying was such an amazing job the pay didn't matter. That's what the troll Crashing into the Trees is trying to tell me.

Life is full of choices, I say. I chose the unemployable degenerate route.

[tsgarp]

Want the type rating and the experience? Want to go to Air Canada? Then fucking do it and smile the whole time. Don't "want to"? Someone else gets your seat at Jazz etc etc
It is a sorry state of affairs but that is the industry. Low margins, lots of staff available. What do people want? Respect? Good pay on your way to the top? Ain't gonna happen.

What are Porter and Encore paying their FOs?

[Bug_Stomper_01]

I think the point was that the pay is poor for anything but an entry level position.

Right seat in a Q400, ATR, 737, or A320 in many places is an entry level job.

Success is not defined by how big of a plane you fly.

It’s low for even an entry level job

I've always maintained that the wages in a market are defined by the best available opportunity and trickle down from there. Air Canada is regarded as the creme de la creme of opportunities and look at what a mess their agreement and union is in. When AC is paying between 52-95k for the first four years (excluding draft and upgrades), well you can't expect other airlines - especially feeders for said airline - to pick up the WAWCON torch.

Some advocates point the fingers at Westjet - but let's be honest, Westjet is not on par with any other international legacy carrier, including the company it was modeled after, Southwest. You don't see Delta stressing or blaming Southwest when it comes time for negotiations.

Once ACPA and their membership come together and correct their trajectory, we should see significant strides in the Canadian industry.

I just heard another friend of mine is moving states side due to the industry here in Canada. The wages and working conditions are a joke. Air Canada has a plethora of problems, lots of ex united guys still there? Idk man it reminds me a lot of discovery air. But supply and demand I guess, I think our generation and younger are seeing how bunk this industry is and only regarding flight as a a pastime not a steady job. The stats are published on TC’s website and speak for themselves. I would be very surprised if N registered equipment didn’t start picking up scheds in Canada soon…

https://tc.canada.ca/en/aviation/licens ... statistics

[Bug_Stomper_01]

I thought flying was such an amazing job the pay didn't matter. That's what the troll Crashing into the Trees is trying to tell me.

Life is full of choices, I say. I chose the unemployable degenerate route.

Asking for reasonable remuneration, schedule, and benefits is a sure fire way to be unemployable in Canada lol

[Ash Ketchum]

I hope that pilot will be added to the TN Visa list one day otherwise I can't really see things improving much over here. In the software industry where I am currently working Canadian developers are being paid more than ever before because US jobs are so accessible for Canadians.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

I hope that pilot will be added to the TN Visa list one day otherwise I can't really see things improving much over here. In the software industry where I am currently working Canadian developers are being paid more than ever before because US jobs are so accessible for Canadians.

Most of my work is USA based. I have some customers in Canada still, but try charging your rate in the states up here! People are leaving Canada to fix and fly elsewhere, there’s no work left here.

[twa22]

It’s low for even an entry level job

I've always maintained that the wages in a market are defined by the best available opportunity and trickle down from there. Air Canada is regarded as the creme de la creme of opportunities and look at what a mess their agreement and union is in. When AC is paying between 52-95k for the first four years (excluding draft and upgrades), well you can't expect other airlines - especially feeders for said airline - to pick up the WAWCON torch.

Some advocates point the fingers at Westjet - but let's be honest, Westjet is not on par with any other international legacy carrier, including the company it was modeled after, Southwest. You don't see Delta stressing or blaming Southwest when it comes time for negotiations.

Once ACPA and their membership come together and correct their trajectory, we should see significant strides in the Canadian industry.

I just heard another friend of mine is moving states side due to the industry here in Canada. The wages and working conditions are a joke. Air Canada has a plethora of problems, lots of ex united guys still there? Idk man it reminds me a lot of discovery air. But supply and demand I guess, I think our generation and younger are seeing how bunk this industry is and only regarding flight as a a pastime not a steady job. The stats are published on TC’s website and speak for themselves. I would be very surprised if N registered equipment didn’t start picking up scheds in Canada soon…

https://tc.canada.ca/en/aviation/licens ... statistics

I'd like to know how your friend was able to obtain a work visa in the US. Right now, that seems to be the biggest hurdle... i'm under 1000 hours and have contemplated the US conversion since it's rather easy (comparative to other parts of the world), but haven't bothered with it since I don't see any way of obtaining a work visa...I know a lot of my pilot buddies say the same, that they'd move to the US instantly, if they could get a work visa

[Bug_Stomper_01]

I've always maintained that the wages in a market are defined by the best available opportunity and trickle down from there. Air Canada is regarded as the creme de la creme of opportunities and look at what a mess their agreement and union is in. When AC is paying between 52-95k for the first four years (excluding draft and upgrades), well you can't expect other airlines - especially feeders for said airline - to pick up the WAWCON torch.

Some advocates point the fingers at Westjet - but let's be honest, Westjet is not on par with any other international legacy carrier, including the company it was modeled after, Southwest. You don't see Delta stressing or blaming Southwest when it comes time for negotiations.

Once ACPA and their membership come together and correct their trajectory, we should see significant strides in the Canadian industry.

I just heard another friend of mine is moving states side due to the industry here in Canada. The wages and working conditions are a joke. Air Canada has a plethora of problems, lots of ex united guys still there? Idk man it reminds me a lot of discovery air. But supply and demand I guess, I think our generation and younger are seeing how bunk this industry is and only regarding flight as a a pastime not a steady job. The stats are published on TC’s website and speak for themselves. I would be very surprised if N registered equipment didn’t start picking up scheds in Canada soon…

https://tc.canada.ca/en/aviation/licens ... statistics

I'd like to know how your friend was able to obtain a work visa in the US. Right now, that seems to be the biggest hurdle... i'm under 1000 hours and have contemplated the US conversion since it's rather easy (comparative to other parts of the world), but haven't bothered with it since I don't see any way of obtaining a work visa...I know a lot of my pilot buddies say the same, that they'd move to the US instantly, if they could get a work visa

You have to be sponsored by the company. It’s not hard but it can be time consuming for it to get approved. Really isn’t rocket appliances.

[Ash Ketchum]

I just heard another friend of mine is moving states side due to the industry here in Canada. The wages and working conditions are a joke. Air Canada has a plethora of problems, lots of ex united guys still there? Idk man it reminds me a lot of discovery air. But supply and demand I guess, I think our generation and younger are seeing how bunk this industry is and only regarding flight as a a pastime not a steady job. The stats are published on TC’s website and speak for themselves. I would be very surprised if N registered equipment didn’t start picking up scheds in Canada soon…

https://tc.canada.ca/en/aviation/licens ... statistics

I'd like to know how your friend was able to obtain a work visa in the US. Right now, that seems to be the biggest hurdle... i'm under 1000 hours and have contemplated the US conversion since it's rather easy (comparative to other parts of the world), but haven't bothered with it since I don't see any way of obtaining a work visa...I know a lot of my pilot buddies say the same, that they'd move to the US instantly, if they could get a work visa

You have to be sponsored by the company. It’s not hard but it can be time consuming for it to get approved. Really isn’t rocket appliances.

Any insight on which US companies are willing to sponsor pilots? From my research it doesn't seem many are.

[twa22]

I'd like to know how your friend was able to obtain a work visa in the US. Right now, that seems to be the biggest hurdle... i'm under 1000 hours and have contemplated the US conversion since it's rather easy (comparative to other parts of the world), but haven't bothered with it since I don't see any way of obtaining a work visa...I know a lot of my pilot buddies say the same, that they'd move to the US instantly, if they could get a work visa

You have to be sponsored by the company. It’s not hard but it can be time consuming for it to get approved. Really isn’t rocket appliances.

Any insight on which US companies are willing to sponsor pilots? From my research it doesn't seem many are.

I was just going to ask this... I've looked at a bunch of jobs ads, and none that i've seen lately mention anything about visa sponsorship. I know in my case with under 1000 hours I likely have zero chance of a sponsorship, but would be good to know for future, and for others here with higher hours that would benefit

[RockSalty]

I'd like to know how your friend was able to obtain a work visa in the US. Right now, that seems to be the biggest hurdle... i'm under 1000 hours and have contemplated the US conversion since it's rather easy (comparative to other parts of the world), but haven't bothered with it since I don't see any way of obtaining a work visa...I know a lot of my pilot buddies say the same, that they'd move to the US instantly, if they could get a work visa

You have to be sponsored by the company. It’s not hard but it can be time consuming for it to get approved. Really isn’t rocket appliances.

Any insight on which US companies are willing to sponsor pilots? From my research it doesn't seem many are.

Try looking into Red Wing Aviation, as far as I know they're pretty open to sponsoring folks

[rookiepilot]

Thought you guys were all against the principles of allowing foreign workers. Been countless rants about that on this site.

But its ok to take jobs from Americans?

Just curious as to the moral standard here.

Or does such a thing exist?

[twa22]

Thought you guys were all against the principles of allowing foreign workers. Been countless rants about that on this site.

But its ok to take jobs from Americans?

Just curious as to the moral standard here.

Or does such a thing exist?

No one is taking jobs away from anyone. If you've been following aviation news at all, the top US airline CEOs have been saying there is a huge demand for pilots since the recovery started, and there isn't enough supply... If that's true, which it seems to be, then that's not taking away any jobs.

When a company deliberately hires a foreigner over a local candidate, that's taking away jobs, big difference

[Bug_Stomper_01]

I'd like to know how your friend was able to obtain a work visa in the US. Right now, that seems to be the biggest hurdle... i'm under 1000 hours and have contemplated the US conversion since it's rather easy (comparative to other parts of the world), but haven't bothered with it since I don't see any way of obtaining a work visa...I know a lot of my pilot buddies say the same, that they'd move to the US instantly, if they could get a work visa

You have to be sponsored by the company. It’s not hard but it can be time consuming for it to get approved. Really isn’t rocket appliances.

Any insight on which US companies are willing to sponsor pilots? From my research it doesn't seem many are.

The gentleman I mentioned is an AME. Technicians from Canada are highly sought after in USA due to our factory training and higher standards. As for the flying game, there’s an even wider spread in the USA for job vacancies and pilots than Canada. I don’t fly in the states much just do maintenance for the most part. From what I understand being hired as a meat servo in the states is doable but they do protect their own crowd more so than here in Canada. I don’t have any company names I’m primarily helicopter oriented. Networking is the main hurdle as with most countries for flying, but you’ll likely be more successful in USA than Canada these days with the market continuing to fail here.

[Ash Ketchum]

You have to be sponsored by the company. It’s not hard but it can be time consuming for it to get approved. Really isn’t rocket appliances.

Any insight on which US companies are willing to sponsor pilots? From my research it doesn't seem many are.

I was just going to ask this... I've looked at a bunch of jobs ads, and none that i've seen lately mention anything about visa sponsorship. I know in my case with under 1000 hours I likely have zero chance of a sponsorship, but would be good to know for future, and for others here with higher hours that would benefit

Yes exactly. I wouldn't mind jumping over to a US regional with flow to a mainline in the States and I think I have a competitive resume for it with 705 command time and a university degree. I just haven't been able to find any regionals willing to sponsor visas.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

Any insight on which US companies are willing to sponsor pilots? From my research it doesn't seem many are.

I was just going to ask this... I've looked at a bunch of jobs ads, and none that i've seen lately mention anything about visa sponsorship. I know in my case with under 1000 hours I likely have zero chance of a sponsorship, but would be good to know for future, and for others here with higher hours that would benefit

Yes exactly. I wouldn't mind jumping over to a US regional with flow to a mainline in the States and I think I have a competitive resume for it with 705 command time and a university degree. I just haven't been able to find any regionals willing to sponsor visas.

Unlike Canada, the USA is very protective over its jobs especially when it comes to a non immigrant work force. Networking is very important to get sponsored by the right company. The best way (not easiest) to get states side is to have a USA based office within your company and to do a transfer states side.

Even as a legal worker with an L1 visa locals don’t care much for non immigrant workers (more so than not in some states). Many are understanding and happy to have me but I still hear remarks here and there as to my canadianness lol. I’ve been offered to move with my family but with their needs and timing it’s really not in the cards at the moment. Anyways it’s very doable it’s all in who you know and networking, market yourself as a asset which I like to think I’ve done reasonably well and you’ll find a good route south of the border, good luck!

[PitchLink]

I thought flying was such an amazing job the pay didn't matter. That's what the troll Crashing into the Trees is trying to tell me.

Life is full of choices, I say. I chose the unemployable degenerate route.

Asking for reasonable remuneration, schedule, and benefits is a sure fire way to be unemployable in Canada lol

No kidding, work your ass off for what?

[rocket81]

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[Bug_Stomper_01]

This :

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Please no lol