AC 767RP course

Rush · Post by **Rush** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 3:52 pm

Hello, I was told in my interview that I would probably be on the 767(RP). Now it's been 3 month since my interview and no call or letter yet. I was wondering if somebody have any kind of info on that. Thank you in advance.

Legacy · Post by **Legacy** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 5:23 pm

mike?

flyindude · Post by **flyindude** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 5:38 pm

Lance?

2low · Post by **2low** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 6:07 pm

Geoff?

gelbisch · Post by **gelbisch** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 8:23 pm

Napolean?

Pratt X 3 · Post by **Pratt X 3** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 11:02 pm

VOTE FOR PEDRO

. . · Post by **. .** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 1:37 am

sabastian is that you?

Redwine · Post by **Redwine** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 5:37 am

Long time, no see

flyboy1234 · Post by **flyboy1234** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 6:52 am

The amount of information on this thread is amazing....WOW. What a joke.

. . · Post by **. .** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 6:57 am

07:52 someone has woken up on the wrong side of bed.

flyboy1234 · Post by **flyboy1234** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 7:08 am

aren't you a smart fellow

tonysoprano · Post by **tonysoprano** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 7:52 am

Rush.
To answer your question, no RP positions have been awarded yet. With many more Embs on the way, that's what you'll be on. I don't forsee any RP positions for a while. Believe it or not some senior people are eager to fill those positions.

Rush · Post by **Rush** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 8:58 am

Thanks Tonysoprano!! I was told that I would be on the 767 cause I dont have any jet or glass time... so the waiting might be very long.
Rush

flyboy1234 · Post by **flyboy1234** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 1:46 pm

Rush, check your pm's

flyboy1234 · Post by **flyboy1234** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 9:15 am

tonysoprano:I don't forsee any RP positions for a while. Believe it or not some senior people are eager to fill those positions.
I seem to remember an article I read some time ago on pilotcareercenter about a newhire with AC starting out as an RP on the 767. I thought that the RP was/is a newhire position. With all the Emb's coming on line and the left seat being filled by people moving off other equipment (ie Jaques said he came off the '67), I would have thought that RP's would move into the right seat? of either the bus or other widebodies and maybe even the left seat of the Emb? if their seniority number can hold it. Now wouldn't this situation create a shortage on th RP side of things? I could be way out in left field on this, can anyone confirm/refute this?

Dockjock · Post by **Dockjock** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 10:18 am

I think RP's enjoy a far superior schedule than EMB F/O's will, like working 8-10 days a month instead of 20-21. Since they are both position group pay, RP to EMB F/O would be sideways at best, if not considered a downgrade by most.

flyboy1234 · Post by **flyboy1234** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:22 pm

I didn't say that the current RP's would go fo on the Emb, those are for newhires as well. I said the current RP's would go fo on the bus or even the '67/capt on the Emb if their seniority # could hold it. This would be an increase in pay no? In any case it would open up RP spots. Cheers.

Lost in Saigon · Post by **Lost in Saigon** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 2:40 pm

Many of the current RP's are not in position group.

Their hourly formula pay is not that much less than 320 FO, so some will choose to remain as RP's for the better lifestyle and working conditions.

Remaining senior on a "junior" position also affords better vacation and monthly blocks.

Position group pilots do not have the "luxury" of trading pay for lifestyle. I still can't understand how such an inequity is allowed to continue.

Dockjock · Post by **Dockjock** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 2:45 pm

My mistake, RTFQ I guess.

flyboy1234 · Post by **flyboy1234** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 2:46 pm

So if RP's dont want to move, there must be positions opening up elsewhere. What is happening to the positions left vacant by the people filling the Emb captain spots?

flyboy1234 · Post by **flyboy1234** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 4:51 pm

Rush, check your pm's

flyboy1234 · Post by **flyboy1234** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 4:55 pm

Hey Lost, are some of the current RP's out of position pay because they turned down an upward move ie to the bus or capt on Emb? How do you get out of position pay in the first place? Thanks.

Lost in Saigon · Post by **Lost in Saigon** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 6:41 am

I will try to explain....

Only 283 pilots who were declared "Surplus" became Position Group pilots. And not all of these 283 were actually laid off....

As the layoffs and downgrades occured, many pilots were bumped down to RP positions but they are not part of the"Position Group".

Example: Some 767 FO's bid down to 767 RP, to keep the lifestyle, but they are not classified as "Position Group" pilots.

As a new hire, (in position group), you will be able to bid on any vacancies on any equipment. (But you may be frozen? or have your training delayed?)

320 FO is the most junior position outside of the Position Group. The only way out of Position Group is to bid 320 FO (or higher) and then be trained on it. Your formula pay won't start until you finish your line check on the new equipment.

BUT, You should know........You are forever "BRANDED" a position group pilot, so If you should ever want to bid down to RP for the lifestyle, you will return to PG pay.
(That ain't right..... is it?)

There are many of the original "283" who chose to remain in position group because they don't want to leave Vancouver or because they would rather be senior as RP or as EMJ FO instead of being on reserve as 320 FO. The pay difference can be as much as $20,000, so you can see how much value some people put on lifestyle.

That is one reason why there are unfilled vacancies on the 320 FO list. The other reason is that the recently recalled layoff pilots missed the last bid. It will be very interesting to see what the next bid will bring. (equipment bids happen twice a year, and we are due for one now)

I know at least one Postion Group pilot who plans to stay senior on the EMJ FO list even though he can hold 320 FO or possibly even EMJ Captain.

Position Group is difficult to understand, and I am just starting to scratch the surface.

BUSBAR · Post by **BUSBAR** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:27 am

That is quite complicated!!!

Why doesn't AC adopt "STATUS PAY" just like most big airlines in the world (apart the US).

BB

A330 · Post by **A330** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:47 am

Answer:

Help pay for Mr. McKool's $105,000 pension that starts next year. It's all about self preservation, not that you can blame them, but that's the reality. The junior members bending over with the position pay and two year flat pay, not to mention the lower rates on the 320. AC is still a good deal but it's very top heavy and a long road to the eventual sweet sunset.

How's that Jungle jet with the funky handle bars anyway?