It was never about a virus 🦠

[Vaticinator]

Wear a mask. Get vaccinated. Wash your hands. Reduce your contact during the waves.

Those are the four things we can do to prevent our hospitals from being over loaded and important medical procedures from being cancelled.

Well, I'm not sure if there is much data to suggest that hand washing does much to stop the spread of a virus that spreads via airborne transmission of aerosol droplets, but I suppose it's a healthy practice nonetheless.

Why after 2 years, are these the only actions being touted by our leaders and officials? These are all well and good (if you're ok with your breathing being continually stifled and never having a normal social interaction) but why is there never a push to have people take responsibility for their own health? Through good diet, supplementation and exercise, you can make your own body work better. You can make it more robust, more resistant to disease and infection. The data shows that being healthy to begin with is roughly as efficacious at preventing negative outcomes as the vaccines. Just imagine if everyone was not only vaccinated, but also a healthy, fit human being. Why are we pushing only one aspect as opposed to a holistic approach? This whole pandemic is shining a spotlight on the health related deficiencies in our society, and we seem to be largely ignoring what has been revealed.

[Inverted2]

Yeah but most of the transmission is from vaccinated people who are still allowed to travel, eat in restaurants, go to games etc. Vaccinated people spread it just as much as those who aren’t.

Source and corresponding data for these assertions please? None? Didn't think so.

Didn’t think much then.

[ReserveTank]

Yeah but most of the transmission is from vaccinated people who are still allowed to travel, eat in restaurants, go to games etc. Vaccinated people spread it just as much as those who aren’t.

Source and corresponding data for these assertions please? None? Didn't think so.

Who is allowed to participate in public life while unvaxxed? If you can't mix with the public then you're not out spreading anything. Besides, one would have to be infected and contagious. And it would have to get through that effective mask that is required in all public places.

[cdnavater]

Yeah but most of the transmission is from vaccinated people who are still allowed to travel, eat in restaurants, go to games etc. Vaccinated people spread it just as much as those who aren’t.

Source and corresponding data for these assertions please? None? Didn't think so.

Didn’t think much then.

So, just under 20% of Ontario’s eligible 5+ are not vaccinated and they are responsible for 12 less positive cases per 100k than the fully vaccinated. Not sure I’d be bragging about this or calling this the epidemic of the vaccinated, 12 people per 100k is a negligible difference!
If 100% of the population was vaccinated, they would be responsible for 100% of the spread, but you knew that!

[ReserveTank]

The potential issue with leaving a portion of the population unvaccinated, regardless of the assumed low risk for said group, is that if members of said unvaccinated group end up being infected there is a high likelihood that that will spread the infection to other population groups - vaccinated or not.

What have we been doing about those that have not taken polio or MMR vaccinations? Pretty much nothing. Some people alive today have never had an MMR shot and have no plans to take one. Is there a high likelihood that you will get infected? How will you know if the latest batch of refugees or special status adoptees have had a polio vax? By this logic you've presented, there is a high risk of infection. What shall we do? Bar these people from travel access?

Those are the four things we can do to prevent our hospitals from being over loaded and important medical procedures from being cancelled.

The hospitals being overloaded--Is this a new trend since 2020 or have medical procedures always been cancelled when over capacity?

[CYERCaptainPooping]

South Africa has near double Canadas population and with omicron they are averaging less than double our daily deaths this wave, or on par population wise basically.

They only have 26 percent vaccinated. Is thee vaccine saving us or is this mostly just that omicron is less deadly?

Their 7 day average floats around 60, ours is normally below 50…

Looking at this the vaccine is not blowing me away as being 90 percent effective. Why is this vaccine mandatory for work again?

[imjustlurking]

Those are the four things we can do to prevent our hospitals from being over loaded and important medical procedures from being cancelled.

The hospitals being overloaded--Is this a new trend since 2020 or have medical procedures always been cancelled when over capacity?

It's just like flying. When faced with many emergencies, deal with the most pressing ones first.

Someone being unable to breathe will kill them in minutes. Someone not getting chemotherapy will kill them in months or years.

Triage sounds like a bitch, eh?

[Inverted2]

Source and corresponding data for these assertions please? None? Didn't think so.

Didn’t think much then.

So, just under 20% of Ontario’s eligible 5+ are not vaccinated and they are responsible for 12 less positive cases per 100k than the fully vaccinated. Not sure I’d be bragging about this or calling this the epidemic of the vaccinated, 12 people per 100k is a negligible difference!
If 100% of the population was vaccinated, they would be responsible for 100% of the spread, but you knew that!

No it just says that having or not having this vaccine doesn’t make much of a difference.

[ReserveTank]

Those are the four things we can do to prevent our hospitals from being over loaded and important medical procedures from being cancelled.

The hospitals being overloaded--Is this a new trend since 2020 or have medical procedures always been cancelled when over capacity?

It's just like flying. When faced with many emergencies, deal with the most pressing ones first.

Someone being unable to breathe will kill them in minutes. Someone not getting chemotherapy will kill them in months or years.

Triage sounds like a bitch, eh?

The hospital capacity problem is the same as it's been for at least 2 decades. The gov knew from Sars and H1N1 to make every effort to increase capacity. They knew the threat, but failed to make adequate preparations.

It is just like flying, but you've got your analogies muddled--It's more like the "pilot shortage" periods. They're predicted years out but operators and regulators consistently fail to create decent and attractive conditions. When the slump really hits, the public pays the price through crew and resource-based delays and cancellations, even though the public has already paid in full for the service.

[imjustlurking]

The hospitals being overloaded--Is this a new trend since 2020 or have medical procedures always been cancelled when over capacity?

It's just like flying. When faced with many emergencies, deal with the most pressing ones first.

Someone being unable to breathe will kill them in minutes. Someone not getting chemotherapy will kill them in months or years.

Triage sounds like a bitch, eh?

The hospital capacity problem is the same as it's been for at least 2 decades. The gov knew from Sars and H1N1 to make every effort to increase capacity. They knew the threat, but failed to make adequate preparations.

It is just like flying, but you've got your analogies muddled--It's more like the "pilot shortage" periods. They're predicted years out but operators and regulators consistently fail to create decent and attractive conditions. When the slump really hits, the public pays the price through crew and resource-based delays and cancellations, even though the public has already paid in full for the service.

Your argument is that my argument doesn't matter because it could have been prevented?

[photofly]

I'm actually 100% OK with not spaffing a gazillion dollars year after year on healthcare capacity that isn't needed, and wouldn't be needed, if it weren’t for some dipshits that won't get vaccinated.

YMMV.

[CYERCaptainPooping]

I'm actually 100% OK with not spaffing a gazillion dollars year after year on healthcare capacity that isn't needed, and wouldn't be needed, if it weren’t for some dipshits that won't get vaccinated.

YMMV.

Now there’s a solution! Defund hospitals! We have a vaccine that reduces ICU cases by…. 200 people across Canada! We can probably cut our hospital budget in half if it wasn’t for the antivax!

In the 80’s we stigmatized HIV and made disease a moral issue. We blamed people for the spread and targeted homosexuals. For this reason HIV became worse because people would be in denial and avoid seeking health care.

Looks like people never learn. Covid has become a moral issue. We stigmatize and have these radical ideas about protecting others with masks and vaccines. We have vaccine passports to divide us. History repeats itself. Doing nothing meaningful to protect the vulnerable.

How’s this for Canadian healthcare. Canada is the only G7 country with increasing HIV rates. Probably because our HIV plan is like our Covid 19 plan… we will just tell everyone to wear condoms all the time and HIV will go away. We will tell everyone to mask all the time and Covid will go away.

Or you could make meaningful policy and protect those at risk. But we are more interested in wokeness, virtue signalling… it’s the Canadian way. Not only do we shit the bed on Covid, as it’s very obvious… if anyone took any interest in non Covid issues you would see lots of failures in our healthcare and how we handle other epidemics such as HIV.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/sabrin ... ck-of-will

[7ECA]

What have we been doing about those that have not taken polio or MMR vaccinations? Pretty much nothing. Some people alive today have never had an MMR shot and have no plans to take one. Is there a high likelihood that you will get infected?

Funny you should mention polio or MMR, all diseases which we long ago believed to be largely eradicated due to reaching herd immunity through a highly successful campaign of mass vaccination. Of course, in more recent years there has been a resurgence of those diseases and others in the developed world that had eradicated them because of the "people... [who] never had an MMR shot and have no plans to take one...". It's almost laughable how quickly people forget about the scourge of those preventable diseases, which vaccination can easily eradicate, only to refuse vaccination and in short order wonder why those same diseases suddenly begin to run rampant anew.

As for the likelihood of myself being infected with polio or MMR, I'd say it's nearly zero, being that I was amongst the majority of infants/children who's parents made the informed decision to vaccinate me against a debilitating yet preventable disease.

[CpnCrunch]

Didn’t think much then.

So, just under 20% of Ontario’s eligible 5+ are not vaccinated and they are responsible for 12 less positive cases per 100k than the fully vaccinated. Not sure I’d be bragging about this or calling this the epidemic of the vaccinated, 12 people per 100k is a negligible difference!
If 100% of the population was vaccinated, they would be responsible for 100% of the spread, but you knew that!

No it just says that having or not having this vaccine doesn’t make much of a difference.

No it doesnt.

[CYERCaptainPooping]

Why does Quebec have more Covid cases than Ontario right now, but they have had more restrictions than Ontario for the past couple weeks, and they nearly have half the population? They use QR codes for vax pass, closed down more venues…. I thought these restrictions were effective!? Quebec also has higher vaccinated rate than Ontario.


Ontario is making the QR code mandatory like Quebec. Does this mean more restrictions will lead us to more cases like them?

Brampton mayor talks about the Covid situation at their hospital.
https://twitter.com/patrickbrownont/sta ... gr%5Etweet

He said it’s obvious the vaccines are working, I say it’s obvious omicron is less virulent, if omicron was as virulent and vaccines were effective he would be saying it’s a pandemic of the unvaccinated. Looks like neither vax or non vax are ending up in icu. The ICUs are nearly empty of Covid in Brampton.

More importantly, why are half of the Covid hospitalizations people with no Covid symptoms? Looks like some of the conspiracy theories are coming true.

[JerryRig]

Pilots suing government. Listen to the end. The motive behind this operation may be to proven only one pilot is required in the cockpit.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/As2Eo6grOLYK/