Pilot / ATC license Statistics Link, Licensed AME’s in Canada Stats, where are they?

[Bug_Stomper_01]

I’ve known the below link attached has existed for some time. Has anyone seen anything similar from TC re: AME numbers? I’d be very interested to see something parallel the pilots statistics.

These stats are very discouraging even before the COVID19 pandemic things were declining. Looks like the rotary world is 1/3 of its peak and fixed wing 1/4 or less. This could be a good or bad thing depending where you sit for work.


https://tc.canada.ca/en/aviation/licens ... statistics

[PitchLink]

More than are currently working in the industry!

[chowda]

More than are currently working in the industry!

Yup!

[PitchLink]

More than are currently working in the industry!

Yup!

I’m not wrong

[chowda]

Not disagreeing with you. The fact we're seeing ad's for rotational employees, into a big urban center, offering $10000 retention bonuses and your choice of rotation periods, when we have just begun a rebound from a tanked industry...well. things are not looking good for AME availibility.

I love it. No industry is more deserving of this, especially considering how much they try to promote it as "high tech/high paying jobs" everytime some clown builds a new hanger.

Burn baby burn..

[Bug_Stomper_01]

Not disagreeing with you. The fact we're seeing ad's for rotational employees, into a big urban center, offering $10000 retention bonuses and your choice of rotation periods, when we have just begun a rebound from a tanked industry...well. things are not looking good for AME availibility.

I love it. No industry is more deserving of this, especially considering how much they try to promote it as "high tech/high paying jobs" everytime some clown builds a new hanger.

Burn baby burn..

I don’t see a rebound in Canada, there’s some pockets of work but look at the decline cross the board the last few years (pre COVID19)

[Crossthreaded]

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[PitchLink]

Not disagreeing with you. The fact we're seeing ad's for rotational employees, into a big urban center, offering $10000 retention bonuses and your choice of rotation periods, when we have just begun a rebound from a tanked industry...well. things are not looking good for AME availibility.

I love it. No industry is more deserving of this, especially considering how much they try to promote it as "high tech/high paying jobs" everytime some clown builds a new hanger.

Burn baby burn..

Tell us how you really feel

[chowda]

I gotta say, I've definetly gotten past any remaining shyness over the last few years...

[Bug_Stomper_01]

Not disagreeing with you. The fact we're seeing ad's for rotational employees, into a big urban center, offering $10000 retention bonuses and your choice of rotation periods, when we have just begun a rebound from a tanked industry...well. things are not looking good for AME availibility.

I love it. No industry is more deserving of this, especially considering how much they try to promote it as "high tech/high paying jobs" everytime some clown builds a new hanger.

Burn baby burn..

I haven’t seen a 10k signing bonus in years

[SeptRepair]

I've been seeing a lot more opportunity lately for work. Its to the point that I have been asked from four different places of my availability. I do not recall it ever being like this. Now lets be clear, there are no signing bonuses, nor can a person expect longevity at anyone place, but I do see it as promising.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

I've been seeing a lot more opportunity lately for work. Its to the point that I have been asked from four different places of my availability. I do not recall it ever being like this. Now lets be clear, there are no signing bonuses, nor can a person expect longevity at anyone place, but I do see it as promising.

I remember the demand about >15 years ago where no one had enough machines pilots or ames. I agree I haven’t seen any signing bonuses yet but there’s definitely work right now, but it’s not as good as I’ve ever seen, just a false positive from COVID19 rebound I think. The wages aren’t back up to that point but they’ll follow suit if companies can’t get anyone, which seems to be the way things are headed, but we will see. There used to be signing and retention bonuses from several companies back then with little to no retention periods. Flight pay was also reasonable ffs, none of this $70/hr on a 212, that’s like half of where it was these days.

[chowda]

perimeter and their $10G retention bonus

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=151782

"Perimeter Aviation is currently hiring rotational licensed AME's for our Winnipeg base.
M1 and/or M2
Minimum of 1 week rotation
Travel and accommodation provided
$10,000 signing/retention bonus"


Unfortunately, it will still be difficult sell for them.

Trying to promote night shifts, old airplanes, Winterpig, and what most likely will be crew house accomodations for a company that I personally know paid poorly, well...lets just say Im very confident there will not be any stampede.

Speaking of no stampede, I wonder how PAL made out with thier daily Winterpig job ads..

[PitchLink]

So I did some digging and outside TC website they were quoted

“ According to Transport Canada data provided to Skies, there were 17,662 active AME licence holders living in Canada as of June 26, 2019. Half of them (8,762) are currently above age 50. Of those, just over 50 per cent is actually above age 60.”

See the link below for the full article. I wonder if these numbers followed the curves of the active pilots in the OP’s TC link?


https://skiesmag.com/features/help-in-t ... -shortage/

[JasonE]

The data for private pilots will be way out to lunch. My medical from 2 years ago has not yet been processed.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

So I did some digging and outside TC website they were quoted

“ According to Transport Canada data provided to Skies, there were 17,662 active AME licence holders living in Canada as of June 26, 2019. Half of them (8,762) are currently above age 50. Of those, just over 50 per cent is actually above age 60.”

See the link below for the full article. I wonder if these numbers followed the curves of the active pilots in the OP’s TC link?


https://skiesmag.com/features/help-in-t ... -shortage/

I saw that article a few years ago and I question it. Those numbers are very vague because AME licenses until recently we’re good for 6 years, now post 2018-19 I think they’re good for 10. The number given has a 6-10 year gap that can’t be accounted for in real time (as far as I know), unless TC is tracking personnel per AMO which I highly doubt. Many of those licenses could be abandoned and/or not in use.
Transport doesn’t track ACA as closely as they do PPC’s and medicals. I’d wager as of this date the ACA’s are close to half of that number maybe 2/3, and that’s being optimistic. I know a bunch of older ames with the airlines just took early retirement due to the pandemic. Heli ames are weird, there’s still a bunch of crypt keeper geezers running around in the field that should have retired thirty years ago. It would be a good pole question to put to operators, ames and industry as a whole to see the real picture because no one actually knows. I have a meeting with my PMI this week and if I can get the info I’ll gladly share here. This has been a question that’s actually been nagging me since I got into this gong show years ago… what I do know is the number of aircraft I specialize and work on have gone down significantly in Canada in recent years, and that too is public access data.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

The data for private pilots will be way out to lunch. My medical from 2 years ago has not yet been processed.

I agree, and with all major organizations there’s huge backlog everywhere, try getting parts from bell or Airbus!

[thenoflyzone]

I’ve known the below link attached has existed for some time. Has anyone seen anything similar from TC re: AME numbers? I’d be very interested to see something parallel the pilots statistics.

These stats are very discouraging even before the COVID19 pandemic things were declining. Looks like the rotary world is 1/3 of its peak and fixed wing 1/4 or less. This could be a good or bad thing depending where you sit for work.


https://tc.canada.ca/en/aviation/licens ... statistics

The ATC numbers don't seem accurate.

1275 controllers in 2019? Even before the pandemic? No way ! We were about 2,000 back then. After COVID, we went down to ~1,800 due to early retirements. Sure that number might include support staff that might no longer hold a valid license, but it still seems way too low.

Plus the drop of 400 from 2018 to 2019 is odd as well. I can understand the drop to only 600 controllers in 2020, as that is probably due to the validity of the medical licenses that expired due to COVID (As stated on top of the page), but the rest doesn't make sense.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

I’ve known the below link attached has existed for some time. Has anyone seen anything similar from TC re: AME numbers? I’d be very interested to see something parallel the pilots statistics.

These stats are very discouraging even before the COVID19 pandemic things were declining. Looks like the rotary world is 1/3 of its peak and fixed wing 1/4 or less. This could be a good or bad thing depending where you sit for work.


https://tc.canada.ca/en/aviation/licens ... statistics

The ATC numbers don't seem accurate.

1275 controllers in 2019? Even before the pandemic? No way ! We were about 2,000 back then. After COVID, we went down to ~1,800 due to early retirements. Sure that number might include support staff that might no longer hold a valid license, but it still seems way too low.

Plus the drop of 400 from 2018 to 2019 is odd as well. I can understand the drop to only 600 controllers in 2020, as that is probably due to the validity of the medical licenses that expired due to COVID (As stated on top of the page), but the rest doesn't make sense.

I looked at the the rotary pilots licenses and it reflects the number of PPC’s issued for the year not actual licenses, hence “licenses in force”. There are many licensed pilots that went onto other things this last two years because of the lack of work. I have no idea how ATC’s licenses are kept in force do you have proficiency checks and medicals like pilots? That would account for the numbers you’ve noted looking low

[PitchLink]

I’ve known the below link attached has existed for some time. Has anyone seen anything similar from TC re: AME numbers? I’d be very interested to see something parallel the pilots statistics.

These stats are very discouraging even before the COVID19 pandemic things were declining. Looks like the rotary world is 1/3 of its peak and fixed wing 1/4 or less. This could be a good or bad thing depending where you sit for work.


https://tc.canada.ca/en/aviation/licens ... statistics

The ATC numbers don't seem accurate.

1275 controllers in 2019? Even before the pandemic? No way ! We were about 2,000 back then. After COVID, we went down to ~1,800 due to early retirements. Sure that number might include support staff that might no longer hold a valid license, but it still seems way too low.

Plus the drop of 400 from 2018 to 2019 is odd as well. I can understand the drop to only 600 controllers in 2020, as that is probably due to the validity of the medical licenses that expired due to COVID (As stated on top of the page), but the rest doesn't make sense.

I looked at the the rotary pilots licenses and it reflects the number of PPC’s issued for the year not actual licenses, hence “licenses in force”. There are many licensed pilots that went onto other things this last two years because of the lack of work. I have no idea how ATC’s licenses are kept in force do you have proficiency checks and medicals like pilots? That would account for the numbers you’ve noted looking low

Medicals are tracked as well