If only the Airline Industry was this United

[flyer 1492]

Good for the Truckers, showing their frustration at these stupid rules. If these so called vaccines worked, Why are their more vaxxed people in Alberta hospitalize with covid?

Saturday nights hospital numbers from AHS:

Three doses 252
Two doses 505
one dose 61
Unvaxxed 373

Active cases from AHS (again Saturday)

Three doses 8,625
Two doses 38,545
One dose 2,739
Unvaxxed 11,706

[DanWEC]

Straight from the CDC regarding Omicron:

Across all age groups, being fully vaccinated yields a 35% protection rate from hospitalization. It's something, but sure not everything.

[WellThatAgedWell]

Straight from the CDC regarding Omicron:

Across all age groups, being fully vaccinated yields a 35% protection rate from hospitalization. It's something, but sure not everything.

What a waste of energy for people to complain about the antivax. The clear solution seems to be we need hospitals capable of meeting the needs of everyone who is waiting for healthcare.

Unbelievable, people are “letting the system” off the hook. Fix the god damn problem, and stop blaming the field goal kicker for missing the kick when the QB threw four interceptions, the line men allowed three sacks and the Running back had two fumbles.

Does anyone believe getting all the truckers vaccinated solves the problem… fool me once!

What’s next they will blame the school children and force vaccines on them?

[DanWEC]

To be fair, this is regarding Omicron now. It was irrefutably a real lifesaver for Delta and had a much higher rate of protection against a much more virulent strain, but that stage is in the past. It's concerning that these mandates exist now without a justifiable efficacy anymore. It should be an individual choice. We've got to move with the times now and stop dragging this garbage out any longer.

[WellThatAgedWell]

Also to be fair, people said in the beginning they don’t agree with some restrictions because once you give up your freedoms you may never get them back. They were called conspiracy theories. Now look where we are. People gave up their freedoms to be “all in this together” yet restaurant business owners have been shut down for a third time. Kids are masking in school for nearly two years, will probably still be masking them next fall. People were promised vaccines would save the aviation industry yet they still added travel restrictions in December after all aviation employees and passengers were mandated to be vaccinated.

Was it worth it? Will people just keep doubling down and supporting these policies? Fool me once!

Imagine what it will look like when the next pandemic hits. The trust that people have in our system has been destroyed. This all because they so called experts didn’t take a balanced approach, and our politicians made this all about political moves and not about our health. Next pandemic will be a shit show.

[DanWEC]

"Balanced approach"... Definitely the bulls eye there. This administration has made a total meal out of the pandemic and balance hasn't been part of it.
Haven't reacted to the Omicron phase yet, also 2 years in and we haven't done anything to incentivize careers in health care which are so desparately needed, and can someone explain why there are 400 beds worth of portable hospitals mothballed in Ottawa that hadn't been touched in a year, at a $300 million storage fee, while we've locked down again?

This will happen again in our lifetime, and when it does, I doubt the government will be any more prepared.

[C-GGGQ]

Good for the Truckers, showing their frustration at these stupid rules. If these so called vaccines worked, Why are their more vaxxed people in Alberta hospitalize with covid?

Saturday nights hospital numbers from AHS:

Three doses 252
Two doses 505
one dose 61
Unvaxxed 373

Active cases from AHS (again Saturday)

Three doses 8,625
Two doses 38,545
One dose 2,739
Unvaxxed 11,706

So yes in total numbers the vaccinated have more people in hospital. But lets look closer at the statistics. With 87% vaccinated or roughly 3.5 million people those 800 hospitalized amount to 0.023% of the vaccinated population. Of the rest of the population 900,000 are unvaccinated. Those 373 are 0.04% roughly double the rate.

Total cases: 49,909/ 3,500,000 = 1.4% vaccinated people get sick

11,706/900,000 = 1.3% unvaccinated contracting it.

800/49909= 1.6% of vaccinated cases hospitalized
373/11706= 3.1% of unvaccinated cases hospitalized

So people are contracting it at the same rate regardless of vaccine status but you are twice as likely to wind up hospitalized if you don’t get the vaccine

[WellThatAgedWell]

Heck yeah let’s look at the data. How many of those in the non vaccinated stat are under 40 in the ICU? how many are under 20 years old non vax in ICU? All of those people it’s pretty much useless to waste a vaccine on.

If we want to mandate vaccines against a demographic, let’s make it based on science.

Mandatory vaccines for old and unhealthy people. These are the people clogging the icu.

If you are over 65 vaccines should be mandatory
If you are over 40 and obese vaccines should be mandatory

Why are we wasting time with mandatory vax for healthcare worker, trucker, pilots etc. last time I checked the ICUs were not full of pilots, truckers and doctors when we had no vaccines. Saying the unvaccinated are the problem is to simple. The truth is within the non vaccinated there is a subgroup called fat and old and they need to be the ones we call out. Let’s name and shame them. Let’s set up government weigh in clinics and if you come in with an obese BMI we give you the jab and put a special sticker on your health card.

Let’s make the biggest impact. Show us who is filling those ICUs and mandate where it counts! Everyone else go back to normal.

[WellThatAgedWell]

O’toole is a liberal.

Why are politicians trying to convince us that we need vaccines to have food on shelves? What we need is for them to end the policies that got us here. Two years of this garbage, and looks like the toole is no different than Trudeau.

[TG]

There is a big difference between the trucking industry and the aviation industry and why the vast majority of pilots accepted the vaccine with rolled up sleeves.

Generally speaking, pilots are more educated than truckers. We are trained to think critically and are more likely to be able to understand that the collective voice of health care workers, virologists, and other related scientists are more knowledgeable and trustworthy than Tucker Carlson and a little orange man.

Exactly....

[WellThatAgedWell]

There is a big difference between the trucking industry and the aviation industry and why the vast majority of pilots accepted the vaccine with rolled up sleeves.

Generally speaking, pilots are more educated than truckers. We are trained to think critically and are more likely to be able to understand that the collective voice of health care workers, virologists, and other related scientists are more knowledgeable and trustworthy than Tucker Carlson and a little orange man.

Exactly....

That's actually not in line with the stats at all. It's a good narrative to say it's only dumb people who are anti-vax.

Vaccination rates among truckers are in line with average vaccination rates.

Your religion tries to say it's the dumb who are anti-vaxxers or its Conservatives who are anti vax. That's how you have been conditioned by pastor Trudeau. Keep having your religious thoughts.

When you are ready for some science you will admit it's fat and old people who need a vaccine. Pastor Trudeau hasn't said it yet.

[flyer 1492]

Good for the Truckers, showing their frustration at these stupid rules. If these so called vaccines worked, Why are their more vaxxed people in Alberta hospitalize with covid?

Saturday nights hospital numbers from AHS:

Three doses 252
Two doses 505
one dose 61
Unvaxxed 373

Active cases from AHS (again Saturday)

Three doses 8,625
Two doses 38,545
One dose 2,739
Unvaxxed 11,706

So yes in total numbers the vaccinated have more people in hospital. But lets look closer at the statistics. With 87% vaccinated or roughly 3.5 million people those 800 hospitalized amount to 0.023% of the vaccinated population. Of the rest of the population 900,000 are unvaccinated. Those 373 are 0.04% roughly double the rate.

Total cases: 49,909/ 3,500,000 = 1.4% vaccinated people get sick

11,706/900,000 = 1.3% unvaccinated contracting it.

800/49909= 1.6% of vaccinated cases hospitalized
373/11706= 3.1% of unvaccinated cases hospitalized

So people are contracting it at the same rate regardless of vaccine status but you are twice as likely to wind up hospitalized if you don’t get the vaccine

But wasn't the narrative from our so called experts saying that if you had the jab, it would keep you from ending up in the hospital?

[DanWEC]

Ok... I'm not "anti-vaxx" in the slightest, but I am totally against 2022 lockdowns, inconsistant and illogical testing requirements and vaccine mandates due to these being symptoms of the administrations' previous and ongoing failures in health care and management, as well as blatantly dictatorial.

Just want to note, the problem with some of the stances here is that they're black and white, and those aren't compatible with epidimiology.

[C-GGGQ]

Good for the Truckers, showing their frustration at these stupid rules. If these so called vaccines worked, Why are their more vaxxed people in Alberta hospitalize with covid?

Saturday nights hospital numbers from AHS:

Three doses 252
Two doses 505
one dose 61
Unvaxxed 373

Active cases from AHS (again Saturday)

Three doses 8,625
Two doses 38,545
One dose 2,739
Unvaxxed 11,706

So yes in total numbers the vaccinated have more people in hospital. But lets look closer at the statistics. With 87% vaccinated or roughly 3.5 million people those 800 hospitalized amount to 0.023% of the vaccinated population. Of the rest of the population 900,000 are unvaccinated. Those 373 are 0.04% roughly double the rate.

Total cases: 49,909/ 3,500,000 = 1.4% vaccinated people get sick

11,706/900,000 = 1.3% unvaccinated contracting it.

800/49909= 1.6% of vaccinated cases hospitalized
373/11706= 3.1% of unvaccinated cases hospitalized

So people are contracting it at the same rate regardless of vaccine status but you are twice as likely to wind up hospitalized if you don’t get the vaccine

But wasn't the narrative from our so called experts saying that if you had the jab, it would keep you from ending up in the hospital?

Yes and as shown. You double your chances of hospitalization if you’re unvaccinated.

And yes 2022 lockdowns are not about covid its about our healthcare system was a house of cards. It has collapsed and they are using covid as an excuse to cover that failure

[Aviatard]

Well it appears that GoFundMe has frozen the funds for the Truck Convoy.

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/truck ... 4ga_XugIq2

[RRJetPilot]

"Funds will be safely held until the organizer is able to provide the documentation to our team about how funds will be properly distributed."

They already hired a lawyer and accounting firm. Funds will be fine. Thanks for posting!

[Inverted2]

Probably be 5 million before the end of the day.
Go Truckers Go!

[imjustlurking]

Well it appears that GoFundMe has frozen the funds for the Truck Convoy.

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/truck ... 4ga_XugIq2

I am hearing that it has been unfrozen, but there are no reputable sources that I can find that support this claim.

[7ECA]

Anecdotally, 90% of truckers are vaccinated; which mirrors the Canadian population at large when it comes to vaccination status. We, and I mean truckers, all knew that the variance allowing them to cross the border without being vaccinated was a temporary measure to ensure continued free movement of goods across the border - and yet a very small minority of drivers are now surprised that the variance has ended?

Give me a frucking break.

Evidently "we" no longer believe in majority rule, and are instead supposed to kowtow to a minuscule minority whom want to rant and rave and spout utter bullshit about their "freedoms"; without the basic understanding that in a society all members have the duty to uphold a certain standard of decorum and work collectively for the betterment of all. Mind you, it doesn't come at all as a surprise that this fiercely "independent" separatist idiocy comes from an ass backwards province like Alberta, where the martyr syndrome has become ensconced in the provincial identity. It's pretty laughable that 'Bertans point out the proverbial speck in the eye of Kee-becers, when a very similar "special status" is desired in Wild Rose Country...

[WellThatAgedWell]

We are not surprised. We expect the wort from Trudeau.

Also lots has changed since delta. Omicron is less virulent. Just because a mandate makes sense 3 months ago doesn’t mean it makes sense today. If vaccine mandates are temporary and only if necessary then what is the goalpost set to end them? At what point would you say we don’t need a vaccine mandate?

Don’t you think Trudeau needs to disclose the end game? If he can’t tell us what ends the mandate, don’t even start one to begin with.

Why doesn’t the media ask these questions.

“Mr Trudeau, you said we will only implement vaccines mandates as a last resort. These policies were originally constructed based of the delta wave. Since then omicron has taken over and is described to be like a cold or flu. With the new data, how should policy change? Why do we need more restrictions for truckers today, when we have survived nearly two years without those restrictions? Why is everyone else adapting and changing while you are doubling down on 2021? Why would you wait 6 months to make this mandate, when you apparently could have saved thousands of lives by implementing this policy last august? Did those lives not matter?”

What does the media really do?

“Oh look at these truckers… all grandma killers! You know what we should do… find the one who says the most whacky shit and let’s interview him. Then we will put him on the airways and make these truckers out to be a bunch of plague rat quacks!”

It’s a shame really. No one asks the important questions.

[PRM1]

Anecdotally, 90% of truckers are vaccinated; which mirrors the Canadian population at large when it comes to vaccination status. We, and I mean truckers, all knew that the variance allowing them to cross the border without being vaccinated was a temporary measure to ensure continued free movement of goods across the border - and yet a very small minority of drivers are now surprised that the variance has ended?

Give me a frucking break.

Evidently "we" no longer believe in majority rule, and are instead supposed to kowtow to a minuscule minority whom want to rant and rave and spout utter bullshit about their "freedoms"; without the basic understanding that in a society all members have the duty to uphold a certain standard of decorum and work collectively for the betterment of all. Mind you, it doesn't come at all as a surprise that this fiercely "independent" separatist idiocy comes from an ass backwards province like Alberta, where the martyr syndrome has become ensconced in the provincial identity. It's pretty laughable that 'Bertans point out the proverbial speck in the eye of Kee-becers, when a very similar "special status" is desired in Wild Rose Country...

Amen

[goldeneagle]

We are not surprised. We expect the wort from Trudeau.

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Doesn't surprise me, your first concern is about the beer.

Politician from the Maverick party sets up a gofundme that collects millions from the sheep that haven't read thru the details, also doesn't surprise me. With the amount they have collected, could easily pay all those independent truckers full mileage rates for the trip, but no, that's not how it's going to work. Word on the street, they intend to send money to a fuel wholesaler and keep the difference. Any bets that suddenly the Maverick party is well funded for the next election, and a bunch of truckers are stuck with the fuel bill for a trip across the country ?

Truckers off to Ottawa to protest vaccination requirements coming back into Canada. I guess none of them realize that if they are a Canadian trucker returning to Canada, they are already vaccinated, this we know definitively. How do we know this ? Vaccination is an entry requirement headed south into the US for those folks. But lets not have facts get in the way of a good story used to fleece the sheep.

then we have more wacky politicians tweeting photos of an empty shelf at a grocery store. Look carefully at most of those photos, they have the sale price sticker on the empty shelf. It's a common thing at Superstore, get there later in the day and the shelf with stuff on sale cheap is already cleaned out, wont get re-stocked till the night shift starts after the store closes.

It started out 'all about the spin' and turned into a massive cash grab targetting the illiterate portion of the population that cant read past a headline.

[7ECA]

We are not surprised.

Also lots has changed since delta. Omicron is less virulent. At what point would you say we don’t need a vaccine mandate?

If you have no faith in the political class of today, what are you going to do about it? Have you contacted your elected representatives at the Provincial and Federal levels and asked their views on subjects that concern you? Have you volunteered for the political party most aligned with your views? Are you going to run for office?

I'm not going to argue that the pandemic response Federally hasn't been a rather mixed bag, it absolutely has. Unfortunately as much as the public servants may hold table top exercises and committees will sweat the details on what to do in the event of... all bets are off when something actually happens. There will be a postmortem conducted in the near future, both in Canada and the Provinces as well as more globally; and there will absolutely be failures pointed out. But, it's one thing to say we should have shut down global air travel immediately when a novel SARS like virus was first detected - but, it was likely already too late to stop its spread; let alone the implications of proverbially or literally sealing off a country each time a disease pops up. What country in the world is going to feel comfortable with the idea of raising their hands and saying "hey, something is going on here..." if it results in their being isolated like a leper?

As for your comments vis-a-vis Omicron, the data doesn't seem to necessarily jive with your assertion of it being less virulent. In theory, maybe; but the US just reported a rate of mortality on par with Delta and case counts are significantly higher - which is resulting in easily as many negative outcomes as the previous dominant variant.

I'd suggest the need for a vaccine mandate would no longer be necessary once heard immunity and thus significantly reduced spread of the disease has been achieved. We're absolutely nowhere near that point yet. Sure, case counts appear to be declining - but we also know testing capacity was overwhelmed across the country (for example BC was limited to 20k tests a day, and as of now is testing such limited numbers of people that the reported data is largely irrelevant), so it's not at all unreasonable to state that case counts were but a fraction of the actual total of cases. In the end, though, as much as we'd like to believe that having a highly vaccinated population "here at home" (in Canada) will make a difference in ending the pandemic, that's absolutely not the case. With a highly interconnected global society, that relies heavily on the ability to move people and goods around the world rapidly, until the entire global community reaches a high level of vaccination this pandemic will rage on. In theory, though, we may not have to worry about our vaccinated population being a breeding ground for new variants - except the populations that refuse vaccination are absolutely prime candidates for brewing up something, in addition to having to watch those nations where vaccines are largely unavailable to the population at large...

[co-joe]

I found it interesting that the Liberal propaganda department tried to lie and say that the protest was against icy roads. Classic.

https://twitter.com/cbcnewsbc/status/14 ... 3874794504

[dhc#]

Yup...