Truckers convoy

[Impact]

If you don’t explicitly, vocally support the right of these truckers to hold this large, widely supported, (so far) completely peaceful protest, regardless of your own opinions, you don’t support democracy.

That is all.

No, that's horseshit and you know it Rookie.

You can absolutely hold views that are completely antithetical to those held by participants in this particular protest (although, the views of the organizers and views of individual participants and other groups latched on to this "movement" vary widely) and still recognize that their disruptive antics - that cannot change the mandate put in place by the US Government prior to our own Federal Government; are still a valid form of protest under the Charter.

This all or nothing approach, is nothing short of Fascist or conversely Communist, and certainly harkens back (in my mind anyway) to those heady early days post 9/11 when G.W. Bush declared that those whom weren't with "us" were against "us" (speaking as I recall, about support for an illegal war in Iraq).

Please 7ECA, remind us again who is acting in a fascist (or conversely Communist) manner by using an "all or nothing" mandatory vaccination policy.

I tend to think that mandating something to be more fascistic, than allowing freedom of choice. But....that's just me.

You have invented a whole new special sort of gaslighting. Congratulations.

[2R]

Trying desperately to find some aviation connection and sadly the best I can come up with is from the movie Airplane . When the Controller says he picked the wrong day to give up smoking , he picked the wrong week to give up drinking , the wrong month to give up qualudes . These well intended truckers may have picked the wrong day /weekend to protest in Ottawa as today is the highest death count for the Ottawa region since the pandemic began according to https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/c ... -1.6332519

Timing is every thing , not a good time to stand in a crowd and shout . But someone has to test the resilience of the vaccines against the new BD2 variant might as well be them .

[rookiepilot]

If you don’t explicitly, vocally support the right of these truckers to hold this large, widely supported, (so far) completely peaceful protest, regardless of your own opinions, you don’t support democracy.

That is all.

No, that's horseshit and you know it Rookie.

You can absolutely hold views that are completely antithetical to those held by participants in this particular protest (although, the views of the organizers and views of individual participants and other groups latched on to this "movement" vary widely) and still recognize that their disruptive antics - that cannot change the mandate put in place by the US Government prior to our own Federal Government; are still a valid form of protest under the Charter.

This all or nothing approach, is nothing short of Fascist or conversely Communist, and certainly harkens back (in my mind anyway) to those heady early days post 9/11 when G.W. Bush declared that those whom weren't with "us" were against "us" (speaking as I recall, about support for an illegal war in Iraq).

Ah. I’m guilty.

I provoked to get a response. So its fine to be quietly supportive of the right to assemble and peacefully . Agreed.

But then its also fine to quietly be supportive of the convoy with my anonymous donation.

This witch hunt “who donated to a peaceful protest” — totally unacceptable.

The media coverage I’m watching just now has been truly disgusting. There has been zero violence and so the Ottawa mayor and the hosts are freaking out over a handful of people not wearing masks in the mall and disrupting traffic.

They are obviously disappointed it isn’t violent.

None of the Liberal commentators dominating the coverage (how about an interview with the convoy organizers?) — have explicitly called for protests to be outlawed.

All have come just short of doing so. News flash: Protests aren’t convenient.

Where is our elected leadership?

Refusing to talk to a group of homophobic misogynistic racists — they say.

The protest may be “pointless” to some.

Thats fine. Your opinion no one cares about, and its not you to decide what protest is “pointless”.

[7ECA]

Please 7ECA, remind us again who is acting in a fascist (or conversely Communist) manner by using an "all or nothing" mandatory vaccination policy.

I tend to think that mandating something to be more fascistic, than allowing freedom of choice. But....that's just me.

You have invented a whole new special sort of gaslighting. Congratulations.

Arguably no one. There's plenty of freedom of choice, if you don't want to take the vaccine(s) for whatever personal reason, no one is forcing you to. It's quite simply a matter of personal choice - as is the choice to follow employment requirements/standards, if you chose not to follow them expect to be without a job.

Personal choice is a marvellous thing; but don't come crying to me or the internet when your own choices made of your own free will (and hopefully informed will) have consequences. All choices and decisions we make inevitably have consequences...

Protesting, in Canada, the requirement/mandate for cross-border truckers to be vaccinated is pointless - because the US Federal Government brought forward the mandate first. The Canadian Federal Government simply followed suit, enacting their own mandate; because regardless of whether or not "we" had a similar mandate, those very same unvaccinated truckers would simply be turned away at the border or made to quarantine. And let's face it, if they're going to the US unvaccinated while there's a mandate in place, they're going to be turned around - only Canada seems to be generous enough to allow them to cross and then self-quarantine.

If you want to bitch about policies, why is Canada allowing Americans to freely cross the border into Canada without any requirements beyond being vaccinated; whereas Canadians do not have the same freedom of movement going South? I know why, it's because we're so heavily dependant on getting cash from cross-border travel, but it smacks of desperation all the same.

[Just another canuck]

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[7ECA]

Ah. I’m guilty.

I provoked to get a response. So its fine to be quietly supportive of the right to assemble and peacefully . Agreed.

But then its also fine to quietly be supportive of the convoy with my anonymous donation.

This witch hunt “who donated to a peaceful protest” — totally unacceptable.

The media coverage I’m watching just now has been truly disgusting. There has been zero violence and so the Ottawa mayor and the hosts are freaking out over a handful of people not wearing masks in the mall and disrupting traffic.

They are obviously disappointed it isn’t violent.

None of the Liberal commentators dominating the coverage (how about an interview with the convoy organizers?) — have explicitly called for protests to be outlawed.

All have come just short of doing so. News flash: Protests aren’t convenient.

Where is our elected leadership?

Refusing to talk to a group of homophobic misogynistic racists — they say.

The protest may be “pointless” to some.

Thats fine. Your opinion no one cares about, and its not you to decide what protest is “pointless”.

Don't worry, we probably agree on more things than you'd realize, but I digress.

If there's been a "witch hunt", as you call it, I haven't seen or heard of it - but frankly I don't particularly care about what I feel is a pointless protest enough to sit and watch hours of coverage. Ultimately, if you're looking for something to be upset about watching the news is a surefire way to get riled up; the same goes for reading newspapers, online forums, etc.

These people have every right in the world to be pissed, protest, and make their voices heard as is protected under the Charter in regard issues they feel passionately about. As long as they comply with laws, bylaws, statutes, etc., go nuts - not literally of course, but you get the gist of what I'm saying.

Again, I fail to see how protesting a mandate in Canada (which also has a sister legislation/mandate in the US) is going to change anything. Ultimately the US is much less generous when it comes to allowing foreign nationals to cross into their sovereign territory; and they're not going to back down on that.

As for where are the politicians, it's the weekend. What do you expect? That's a bit like going to your doctors office outside of business hours and complaining that no one is around...

You're absolutely right, my opinion matters to me and me alone - as does your opinion. No one's opinion is more important than anyone else's. That's why reasonable, polite, and learned discourse is required - now, more than ever.

[imjustlurking]

I have always voted Conservative federally and provincially. With the pandering to the stubborn and stupid, I will not be voting Conservative next federal election (not voting for Trudeau either).

[Impact]

Please 7ECA, remind us again who is acting in a fascist (or conversely Communist) manner by using an "all or nothing" mandatory vaccination policy.

I tend to think that mandating something to be more fascistic, than allowing freedom of choice. But....that's just me.

You have invented a whole new special sort of gaslighting. Congratulations.

.....Personal choice is a marvellous thing; but don't come crying to me or the internet when your own choices made of your own free will (and hopefully informed will) have consequences. .......

.....ahhhh, I'm vaxxed.

This "vaccine mandate" is an ultimatum, with the "consequences" being ones livelihood. All for what is (now) a Cold.

The pro-mandatory vax side is slowly losing it's momentum as time goes on, as the severity of Covid decreases. I can understand that you've chosen a side, and may be heavily invested in it (emotionally).

Proud to call myself an "unacceptable".

[rookiepilot]

Ah. I’m guilty.

I provoked to get a response. So its fine to be quietly supportive of the right to assemble and peacefully . Agreed.

But then its also fine to quietly be supportive of the convoy with my anonymous donation.

This witch hunt “who donated to a peaceful protest” — totally unacceptable.

The media coverage I’m watching just now has been truly disgusting. There has been zero violence and so the Ottawa mayor and the hosts are freaking out over a handful of people not wearing masks in the mall and disrupting traffic.

They are obviously disappointed it isn’t violent.

None of the Liberal commentators dominating the coverage (how about an interview with the convoy organizers?) — have explicitly called for protests to be outlawed.

All have come just short of doing so. News flash: Protests aren’t convenient.

Where is our elected leadership?

Refusing to talk to a group of homophobic misogynistic racists — they say.

The protest may be “pointless” to some.

Thats fine. Your opinion no one cares about, and its not you to decide what protest is “pointless”.

Don't worry, we probably agree on more things than you'd realize, but I digress.

If there's been a "witch hunt", as you call it, I haven't seen or heard of it - but frankly I don't particularly care about what I feel is a pointless protest enough to sit and watch hours of coverage. Ultimately, if you're looking for something to be upset about watching the news is a surefire way to get riled up; the same goes for reading newspapers, online forums, etc.

These people have every right in the world to be pissed, protest, and make their voices heard as is protected under the Charter in regard issues they feel passionately about. As long as they comply with laws, bylaws, statutes, etc., go nuts - not literally of course, but you get the gist of what I'm saying.

Again, I fail to see how protesting a mandate in Canada (which also has a sister legislation/mandate in the US) is going to change anything. Ultimately the US is much less generous when it comes to allowing foreign nationals to cross into their sovereign territory; and they're not going to back down on that.

As for where are the politicians, it's the weekend. What do you expect? That's a bit like going to your doctors office outside of business hours and complaining that no one is around...

You're absolutely right, my opinion matters to me and me alone - as does your opinion. No one's opinion is more important than anyone else's. That's why reasonable, polite, and learned discourse is required - now, more than ever.

100% agree.

Its when calling anyone legally, peacefully protesting, or even disagreeing, a homophobic racist, terrorist, or whatever, routinely throwing these very inflammatory terms around as a way of shutting down peaceful free speech, i have a real problem.

This has become a repeated habit from both politicians and abetted by the media. Its become normalized. What next, your opponents are pedophiles? Where does it end?

I pick my spots but have had quite enough of this. I’ll be reaching out my riding MP and expressing the same.

[Impact]

I have always voted Conservative federally and provincially. With the pandering to the stubborn and stupid, I will not be voting Conservative next federal election (not voting for Trudeau either).

Good for you. It's (what used to be) a free country.

Best of luck!

[Inverted2]

Ah. I’m guilty.

I provoked to get a response. So its fine to be quietly supportive of the right to assemble and peacefully . Agreed.

But then its also fine to quietly be supportive of the convoy with my anonymous donation.

This witch hunt “who donated to a peaceful protest” — totally unacceptable.

The media coverage I’m watching just now has been truly disgusting. There has been zero violence and so the Ottawa mayor and the hosts are freaking out over a handful of people not wearing masks in the mall and disrupting traffic.

They are obviously disappointed it isn’t violent.

None of the Liberal commentators dominating the coverage (how about an interview with the convoy organizers?) — have explicitly called for protests to be outlawed.

All have come just short of doing so. News flash: Protests aren’t convenient.

Where is our elected leadership?

Refusing to talk to a group of homophobic misogynistic racists — they say.

The protest may be “pointless” to some.

Thats fine. Your opinion no one cares about, and its not you to decide what protest is “pointless”.

Don't worry, we probably agree on more things than you'd realize, but I digress.

If there's been a "witch hunt", as you call it, I haven't seen or heard of it - but frankly I don't particularly care about what I feel is a pointless protest enough to sit and watch hours of coverage. Ultimately, if you're looking for something to be upset about watching the news is a surefire way to get riled up; the same goes for reading newspapers, online forums, etc.

These people have every right in the world to be pissed, protest, and make their voices heard as is protected under the Charter in regard issues they feel passionately about. As long as they comply with laws, bylaws, statutes, etc., go nuts - not literally of course, but you get the gist of what I'm saying.

Again, I fail to see how protesting a mandate in Canada (which also has a sister legislation/mandate in the US) is going to change anything. Ultimately the US is much less generous when it comes to allowing foreign nationals to cross into their sovereign territory; and they're not going to back down on that.

As for where are the politicians, it's the weekend. What do you expect? That's a bit like going to your doctors office outside of business hours and complaining that no one is around...

You're absolutely right, my opinion matters to me and me alone - as does your opinion. No one's opinion is more important than anyone else's. That's why reasonable, polite, and learned discourse is required - now, more than ever.

100% agree.

Its when calling anyone legally, peacefully protesting, or even disagreeing, a homophobic racist, terrorist, or whatever, routinely throwing these very inflammatory terms around as a way of shutting down peaceful free speech, i have a real problem.

This has become a repeated habit from both politicians and abetted by the media. Its become normalized. What next, your opponents are pedophiles? Where does it end?

I pick my spots but have had quite enough of this. I’ll be reaching out my riding MP and expressing the same.

You had an awakening. I’m impressed! Yes their bullshit mandatory vaccine nonsense is crumbling.

[Just another canuck]

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[rookiepilot]

Jagmeet Singh @theJagmeetSingh

“Today we commemorate 5 years since a terrorist attacked and murdered Muslims in a Quebec City Mosque.

We said never again.

And, today Conservative MPs have endorsed a convoy led by those that claim the superiority of the white bloodline and equate Islam to a disease.”

Huh?

If he named names, he could seriously be sued for slander…..

[7ECA]

100% agree.

Its when calling anyone legally, peacefully protesting, or even disagreeing, a homophobic racist, terrorist, or whatever, routinely throwing these very inflammatory terms around as a way of shutting down peaceful free speech, i have a real problem.

This has become a repeated habit from both politicians and abetted by the media. Its become normalized. What next, your opponents are pedophiles? Where does it end?

I pick my spots but have had quite enough of this. I’ll be reaching out my riding MP and expressing the same.

There's a difference between calling a spade a spade, and painting with a broad brush. There are almost certainly elements within this group, or elements that have attached themselves to this group/movement that espouse views that would be considered abhorrent. That's the reality of any movement in this day and age, in which social media is so freely available and allows people to spout whatever toxic rhetoric they so choose freely (and often largely anonymously). A lack of accountability, or a perceived lack of accountability, has empowered people to use the internet as their own personal sounding board largely free of consequences beyond occasionally being censored when their speech is viewed as unacceptable - but even then, people tend to gravitate towards darker and darker corners to find what they perceive to be "free speech" enclaves in which they can espouse their views without moderation...

It's a polarization that comes largely from elected officials, but also their constituents. To some degree, we're all responsible for allowing our public and private discourse to become so toxic that there's largely no middle ground left. Forums like this, are most certainly culpable as well, because even under the guise of free speech there is certainly an argument to be made for maintaining some semblance of decorum - rather than allowing a free for all in which individuals seemingly attempt to outdo each other to post the most toxic and hateful content.

Good. That's a sensible suggestion, writing your elected officials. If all people do is bitch and moan, and never engage politically beyond voting; then how can anyone feel as though they are an active participant politically?

[Just another canuck]

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[Posthumane]

Jagmeet Singh @theJagmeetSingh

“Today we commemorate 5 years since a terrorist attacked and murdered Muslims in a Quebec City Mosque.

We said never again.

And, today Conservative MPs have endorsed a convoy led by those that claim the superiority of the white bloodline and equate Islam to a disease.”

Huh?

If he named names, he could seriously be sued for slander…..

I think Singh would win that suit, since one of the co-organizers has previously said "Despite what our corporate media and political leaders want to admit, Islamist entryism and the adaptation of political Islam is rotting away at our society like syphilis." (Dichter, PPC convention, 2019) So his statement about this particular person equating islam to a disease is not off the mark. You can only claim slander if the accusations are false.
As far as the statement about the superiority of the white bloodline, I assume he was referring to remarks made by Pat King. The GoFundMe campaign organizer has tried to distance herself from him in recent days (though they were previously arm-in-arm during their yellow vest days), though he is still the north alberta group leader and claims he is helping organize the convoys (and taking a small fee in the process). He has also said recently that the only way this will end is with bullets, so it's not surprising that his involvement in this is putting some people on edge.

Now, is that relevant to what the convoy is doing now? Probably not. But not exactly slander either.

[geodoc]

Pro tip: Don't wear a hoodie over your protest hat.





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[rookiepilot]

And, today Conservative MPs have endorsed a convoy led by those that claim the superiority of the white bloodline and equate Islam to a disease.”

Did any of the leaders of this Convoy say this today? Or in the lead-up to this convoy commencing? Did any call overtly for an insurrection in connection with this event?

Otherwise i don’t care.

Everyone is tired of this pandemic. This protest is a pretty measured blow off of steam from a group with pretty lousy, low paying jobs.

Does Singh’s statements make you feel more unified? Make you proud to be a Canadian? How do these attacks for political gain help the nation?

We deserve better.

[TeePeeCreeper]

Finger in the wind pandemicists. Your free range to bully is over.

So you support this crap?

[Vaticinator]

So you support this crap?

If you can't delineate the difference between these 5(?) individuals and the obvious intent of the larger protest, you are an idiot, in the medical sense.

[Aviatard]

So you support this crap?

If you can't delineate the difference between these 5(?) individuals and the obvious intent of the larger protest, you are an idiot, in the medical sense.

Really? Just 5 eh? Oh no the narrative is slipping.

[Aviatard]

Haha, no soup for you!

Good one FODDY. I didn’t think of that. Actually made me chuckle.

[altiplano]

Finger in the wind pandemicists. Your free range to bully is over.

So you support this crap?

Look like agitators to me.

Black bloc antifa there to stir shit up.

[Inverted2]

Nazi flags likely came out of a CBC news van. And besides, the few minor incidents yesterday when there were probably 100,000 protesters is pretty mild. In Europe they were smashing and burning things and the police were tear gassing and using water cannons so I think ours was pretty good. If it was BLM, half of Ottawa would be on fire.

[beaverpuq]

I’m not sure the water cannons would work very well in these temps, especially with variable quartering tail winds.