Truckers convoy

[Inverted2]

U.K., Denmark, Netherlands, Finland, Ireland...

COVID no longer poses a threat to society. When will the PM acknowledge our society wishes to do the same? He could end this protest today if he just set a date, so long as it's before summer.

If Justin comes out of his hole tomorrow and sees a truck shadow it’s going to be 6 more months of Covid theatre.

[Posthumane]

U.K., Denmark, Netherlands, Finland, Ireland...

COVID no longer poses a threat to society. When will the PM acknowledge our society wishes to do the same? He could end this protest today if he just set a date, so long as it's before summer.

Setting a specific date would be completely baseless. Why not use a meaningful metric, like excess mortality stable within one standard deviation for some number of months?

[Just another canuck]

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[Vaticinator]

Because that will leave the door open to continually move the goal posts like they did with vax rates.

Pick a date in the not to distant future. Admit we have to live with this. Make sure those who want the vaccine can have it. If you're sick stay home. If you're scared stay home.

And admit that we can live with this and that we don't have a choice. Our officials keep talking about "how we end covid" and refusing to acknowledge the science that it will be with us forever now, just like all the other coronaviruses. Their policies have been consistently based on justifications that have ultimately proven false, after which they quietly, as you said, move the goal posts. Stay 6 feet apart and mask up. Now proven ineffective. Get the jab and you won't get sick. False. Get the jab and you can't transmit. False. The last domino remaining has been that we can't afford to overload our ICUs and that domino may have quietly fallen today.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ ... -1.6334722

"Ontario is currently trending between the projected best and moderate-case scenario for hospitalizations and we have sufficient capacity to meet such demand. Similarly, the province has sufficient ICU capacity to respond to any scenario outlined in the modelling."
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At a news conference following the modelling release, Elliott said the province is gradually resuming surgeries and procedures postponed as a result of the surge in Omicron cases now that hospital capacity is slowly opening.

"We feel that we are ready for whatever will happen as we move forward," Elliott told reporters Tuesday.

We can be done with this nonsense. Most everyone is vaccinated. You can choose to wear a mask if you're still concerned. You can choose to live your life in whatever way makes you feel safest. But let's get back to normal.

[RoAF-Mig21]

I think the relentless attack of mainstream media on Canadians, which do not share this government's point of view is extremely worrisome. The actions of a few, although in poor taste or just plain ignorant (and criminal in some cases), should not be smeared across an entire group of people, hard working Canadians that have complied with everything this government proposed and implemented, sometimes at great cost to their livelihood. Not only that, they have gone above and beyond the call of duty, driving, shipping, flying critical supplies from life saving medication to food to Amazon Firesticks so you can enjoy the latest idiotic Adam Sandler movie starring Kevin James.

Ottawa Police, the OPP, RCMP, etc should conduct full investigations and if anyone broke the law, they should be brought to justice, but do not label innocent Canadians as "Criminals". That's something an authoritarian nation will do, and I know a bit about that. Having lived in a communist nation and having witnessed a bloody revolution in the late 80s, I can tell you it's not sitting well with me where this country is headed. The parallels between then and now are getting more and more evident with each passing month.

There are thousands of Canadians that are (voluntarily) vaccinated that support the right to choose this vaccine. No Canadian should lose their job over this. It's inconceivable.

[rookiepilot]

I think the relentless attack of mainstream media on Canadians, which do not share this government's point of view is extremely worrisome. The actions of a few, although in poor taste or just plain ignorant (and criminal in some cases), should not be smeared across an entire group of people, hard working Canadians that have complied with everything this government proposed and implemented, sometimes at great cost to their livelihood. Not only that, they have gone above and beyond the call of duty, driving, shipping, flying critical supplies from life saving medication to food to Amazon Firesticks so you can enjoy the latest idiotic Adam Sandler movie starring Kevin James.

Ottawa Police, the OPP, RCMP, etc should conduct full investigations and if anyone broke the law, they should be brought to justice, but do not label innocent Canadians as "Criminals". That's something an authoritarian nation will do, and I know a bit about that. Having lived in a communist nation and having witnessed a bloody revolution in the late 80s, I can tell you it's not sitting well with me where this country is headed. The parallels between then and now are getting more and more evident with each passing month.

There are thousands of Canadians that are (voluntarily) vaccinated that support the right to choose this vaccine. No Canadian should lose their job over this. It's inconceivable.

Well said.

[Just another canuck]

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[rookiepilot]

Cari Kelemen 2.0
@CariKelemen
“The Mayor of Ottawa called some tow companies and asked them to start towing trucks out of the city. The tow companies reply? "We've got Co-vid.”


75,000 likes on Twitter….

[pelmet]

Cari Kelemen 2.0
@CariKelemen
“The Mayor of Ottawa called some tow companies and asked them to start towing trucks out of the city. The tow companies reply? "We've got Co-vid.”


75,000 likes on Twitter….

I seem to remember saying a week ago that if I were mayor(and had the legal authority to do so), I wouldn't have let them in the city. This is what you get. Insults don't work. Actions do. Just arrest them.

[rookiepilot]

Cari Kelemen 2.0
@CariKelemen
“The Mayor of Ottawa called some tow companies and asked them to start towing trucks out of the city. The tow companies reply? "We've got Co-vid.”


75,000 likes on Twitter….

I seem to remember saying a week ago that if I were mayor(and had the legal authority to do so), I wouldn't have let them in the city. This is what you get. Insults don't work. Actions do. Just arrest them.

I don’t think democracy is your thing.

[pelmet]

Cari Kelemen 2.0
@CariKelemen
“The Mayor of Ottawa called some tow companies and asked them to start towing trucks out of the city. The tow companies reply? "We've got Co-vid.”


75,000 likes on Twitter….

I seem to remember saying a week ago that if I were mayor(and had the legal authority to do so), I wouldn't have let them in the city. This is what you get. Insults don't work. Actions do. Just arrest them.

I don’t think democracy is your thing.

If some guy parked his truck at the end of your driveway for several days and was honking his horn on a regular basis, you would have called the police pretty quickly, regardless of your belief in democracy. Funny how it is different when one is not directly affected.

Last time I looked, most democracies had laws.

[Vaticinator]

Funny how it is different when one is not directly affected.

It is funny. And that's just honking horns. Imagine if it were someone forcing you to get injected with something you didn't want in your body.

Why can't these anti honkers just do their part to protect the right to protest? You know, for the greater good.

[pelmet]

Funny how it is different when one is not directly affected.

It is funny. And that's just honking horns. Imagine if it were someone forcing you to get injected with something you didn't want in your body.

Why can't these anti honkers just do their part to protect the right to protest? You know, for the greater good.

No one here is questioning their right to protest. Economic warfare like what is happening in Alberta? I say just like the last group that tried it(and got away with it). Put 'em in jail.

Haven't seen one trucker 'Forced to get injected' yet or any proposal to do so.

[pelmet]

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/t ... d=msedgntp

That's two of them that won't be allowed in the US anymore. Arrest records go to the US. And the truckers are breaking laws as they want to be able to go there.

[RoAF-Mig21]

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/t ... d=msedgntp

That's two of them that won't be allowed in the US anymore. Arrest records go to the US. And the truckers are breaking laws as they want to be able to go there.

You are assuming they're "truckers". They may very well be individuals that have nothing to do with this movement and acted independently. We've seen it all over the US. A peaceful demonstration for a good cause turns violent and in many instances violence, vandalism and looting came from it. Was it the protestors? Most likely not, but groups that attach themselves to these movements.

[Posthumane]

U.K., Denmark, Netherlands, Finland, Ireland...

COVID no longer poses a threat to society. When will the PM acknowledge our society wishes to do the same? He could end this protest today if he just set a date, so long as it's before summer.

Setting a specific date would be completely baseless. Why not use a meaningful metric, like excess mortality stable within one standard deviation for some number of months?

Because that will leave the door open to continually move the goal posts like they did with vax rates.

Pick a date in the not to distant future. Admit we have to live with this. Make sure those who want the vaccine can have it. If you're sick stay home. If you're scared stay home.

How is one specific numerical target (number of deaths) and more or less prone to goalpost moving then another specific numerical target (date)? Either one could be changed if they want to, but both are a specific number that you could hold them to. The difference is had some basis and the other doesn't.

If you have a bunch of flight delays in a row do you tell your passengers "I know we had icing conditions, then a mechanism malfunction, and then ran into crew day limitations (i.e. moving goalposts), but now we're waiting on weather and we need X visibility and Y ceiling to launch" or do you tell them "we're going at 3 o'clock, no matter what. Whatever's happening with the weather, we're sick of waiting and we're just going to deal with it."?

[TG]

Setting a specific date would be completely baseless. Why not use a meaningful metric, like excess mortality stable within one standard deviation for some number of months?

Because that will leave the door open to continually move the goal posts like they did with vax rates.

Pick a date in the not to distant future. Admit we have to live with this. Make sure those who want the vaccine can have it. If you're sick stay home. If you're scared stay home.

How is one specific numerical target (number of deaths) and more or less prone to goalpost moving then another specific numerical target (date)? Either one could be changed if they want to, but both are a specific number that you could hold them to. The difference is had some basis and the other doesn't.

If you have a bunch of flight delays in a row do you tell your passengers "I know we had icing conditions, then a mechanism malfunction, and then ran into crew day limitations (i.e. moving goalposts), but now we're waiting on weather and we need X visibility and Y ceiling to launch" or do you tell them "we're going at 3 o'clock, no matter what. Whatever's happening with the weather, we're sick of waiting and we're just going to deal with it."?

That’s a pretty good analogy and maybe it will makes some deniers here realise how much talk they do without realizing how much nothing they actually know on the subject (Like every.single.person in this forum, myself included)

Vaticinator was mentioning emotions being in the way in another thread.
Yes, there is not much rationalisation going on when emotions are in the way. This Karen’s convoy proves it. The all Covid sub forum here proves it (Should have been titled “Conspiracies theories” instead)


Eventually those restrictions will be lifted. Of course the sooner the better but that’s not me or anyone in this, dare I say “Canadian Aviation Forum” to decide.

[TeePeeCreeper]

Finger in the wind pandemicists. Your free range to bully is over.

So you support this crap?

Wow, good work. You found a picture of five idiots among millions of reasonable.

You must therefore support this:

You are delusional if you think “million” made it to parlement hill in order to protest.

TPC

[TeePeeCreeper]

So you support this crap?

If you can't delineate the difference between these 5(?) individuals and the obvious intent of the larger protest, you are an idiot, in the medical sense.

See post above this one.

Guess you agree with FOD that “millions” made it to protest on the hill? Akin to child soldiers in Cambodia?

Give your head a good shake. (Or perhaps it’s been shaken a wee bit too much…)

TPC

[altiplano]

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/t ... d=msedgntp

That's two of them that won't be allowed in the US anymore. Arrest records go to the US. And the truckers are breaking laws as they want to be able to go there.

You clearly don't know how that works...

And I wonder what the details are?

Mischief under $5000? Could be pretty innocuous.

Carrying a weapon? Wasn't a gun or it would be a different charge, this is a highly subjective charge, could be a flag pole or a hockey stick or pocket knife. Was the intent for it to be a weapon?

Tens of thousands of people and these charges are all they have...

Also, pictures has surfaced of the Swastika antifa flag wavers coming out of their hotel - The Chateau Laurier - LOL... does anyone believe that's where some "truckers" booked themselves for the weekend? More like out of town political operatives.

[rookiepilot]

The behaviour of a few protestors is not the issue.

The behaviour of the government is, calling any views not explicitly theirs as “unacceptable”, and a whole lot of other nasty smear terms.

You guys are all drinking the media coolaid.

Illegal, arrest them, tow them, evict them. No problem.

Stop demonizing every single person who doesn’t agree with Trudeau.

[altiplano]

Recall what Trudeau had to say when it was farmer protests in India?

"We believe in the importance of dialogue and that's why we've reached out through multiple means directly to the Indian authorities to highlight our concerns."

"Canada will always be there to defend the right of peaceful protest."

HYPOCRITE on so many levels.

Trudeau is an embarrassment to this country.

[Vaticinator]

So you support this crap?

If you can't delineate the difference between these 5(?) individuals and the obvious intent of the larger protest, you are an idiot, in the medical sense.

See post above this one.

Guess you agree with FOD that “millions” made it to protest on the hill? Akin to child soldiers in Cambodia?

Give your head a good shake. (Or perhaps it’s been shaken a wee bit too much…)

TPC

Oh please. Your original assertion was that support for the protestors was support for neo Nazis. You've picked up Trudeau's ball and run with it. It's nonsense.

[Just another canuck]

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[Just another canuck]

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