Truckers convoy

[Inverted2]

Most decent CAF members won’t take arm up against the truckers. The mayor tried calling up heavy tow truck companies and they all said they have the Co-vid. I know of 2 police officers there protesting (out of uniform of course). The RCMP did nothing as a bunch of tractors drove past their roadblock near Coutts Alberta.

[Vaticinator]

Ahhhh yes! Karen from row 32 in the back had it all figured out "It's falsehoods"

Yeah, falsehoods. Or did you miss the part about all our hospitalization, ICU and death numbers being over-inflated by coincidental covid cases being counted the same as those who were actually in that category as a result of covid?

There are no remaining valid, justifiable reasons to keep this nonsense going.

[Vern]

Ready to gun down a bunch of hard working truckers engaged in Peaceful, Legal protests?

I certainly hope there continues to be no violence there but what is peaceful about all the honking and diesel engines running that are preventing the people that live downtown from sleeping?

Peaceful doesn't mean that no punches are thrown and no guns are around. Peaceful would be parking somewhere legally and protesting on parliament hill.

The residents of Ottawa that aren't interested in the vaccine mandate debate are being terrorized in their own city and I don't understand how anyone could support this based on that.

[rookiepilot]

Nailed it.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rex-mu ... s-to-laugh

If the PM had shown an ounce of respect, this would be long over.

Understanding for Indian farmers. Smears Canadian truckers (and soon farmers, when they arrive)

[Just another canuck]

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[Vern]

Nailed it.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rex-mu ... s-to-laugh

If the PM had shown an ounce of respect, this would be long over.

Understanding for Indian farmers. Smears Canadian truckers (and soon farmers, when they arrive)

I enjoyed reading that article but if the protesters had shown "an ounce of respect" they would not be disrupting the lives of people that just happen to live where they are honking and idling their trucks. They should park somewhere safe and walk or organize buses (don't they have millions of dollars now?) to parliament hill and protest there.

You deleted one post and edited this one three times but still didn't answer my question. This isn't peaceful and perhaps they would gain the support and respect of more Canadians if they themselves showed the respect that they are looking for.

[Just another canuck]

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[rookiepilot]

Won’t see this beautiful video on CBC.

Censorship.

https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/sta ... 6233700353

[kgb531]

Every Canadian wants mandates to end. Most are just intelligent enough to realize that time should be based on ebbing hospitalizations.
Majority of Canadians supporting the convoy? You mean the 120K that cared enough to donate? Or is it more likely closer to the 3% of eligible voters, who only 4 short months ago, cared enough about mandates that they voted for the only party wanting to end them?
This is no different (and same crew) than the huge purple wave we were going to see during the federal election. Reality (actual votes) showed that was just a very squeaky wheel trying to get some grease. Much like online forums and Facebook groups.

Nailed it.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rex-mu ... s-to-laugh

If the PM had shown an ounce of respect, this would be long over.

Understanding for Indian farmers. Smears Canadian truckers (and soon farmers, when they arrive)

I enjoyed reading that article but if the protesters had shown "an ounce of respect" they would not be disrupting the lives of people that just happen to live where they are honking and idling their trucks. They should park somewhere safe and walk or organize buses (don't they have millions of dollars now?) to parliament hill and protest there.

You deleted one post and edited this one three times but still didn't answer my question. This isn't peaceful and perhaps they would gain the support and respect of more Canadians if they themselves showed the respect that they are looking for.

They have the respect and support of the majority of Canadians. Millions of people. A few sleepless nights for a few thousand people in downtown Ottawa is not our concern. Freedom from a tyrannical government is... Slightly more important issue.

[Bingo Fuel]

Every Canadian wants mandates to end. Most are just intelligent enough to realize that time should be based on ebbing hospitalizations.
Majority of Canadians supporting the convoy? You mean the 120K that cared enough to donate? Or is it more likely closer to the 3% of eligible voters, who only 4 short months ago, cared enough about mandates that they voted for the only party wanting to end them?
This is no different (and same crew) than the huge purple wave we were going to see during the federal election. Reality (actual votes) showed that was just a very squeaky wheel trying to get some grease. Much like online forums and Facebook groups.

100% agreed.

[Vaticinator]

“There is a range of acceptable views within the Conservative Party” — Joe Oliver, former Conservative Finance Minister.

Looks like the cons are turning communist. Commence freak out now.

O'toole is out, Bergen is in. It's a great move. She's been eviscerating Trudeau in The House. I suspect she'll turn the temperature up on him a few more degrees yet.

[Vern]

Every Canadian wants mandates to end. Most are just intelligent enough to realize that time should be based on ebbing hospitalizations.
Majority of Canadians supporting the convoy? You mean the 120K that cared enough to donate? Or is it more likely closer to the 3% of eligible voters, who only 4 short months ago, cared enough about mandates that they voted for the only party wanting to end them?
This is no different (and same crew) than the huge purple wave we were going to see during the federal election. Reality (actual votes) showed that was just a very squeaky wheel trying to get some grease. Much like online forums and Facebook groups.

100% agreed.

Me too. If the majority of Canadians support ending mandates then why didn't the majority of Canadians vote for a party that would end them. We just had an election and the liberals were elected, albeit with a minority goverment. Go ahead and protest, that's great and absolutely a right but it isn't being done peacefully when it is disrupting people in Ottawa and is it not anyone's right to make vulnerable and elderly people feel unsafe in their own community.

[pelmet]

A few sleepless nights for a few thousand people in downtown Ottawa is not our concern.

Pretty much says it all about their concerns. Don’t forget to mention the roadblocks plus more disturbances, if possible(oh yeah, blocking hospitals a while back by the same group).

A few thousand bucks out of your pay has as much concern for most everyone else as you have for them.

[imjustlurking]

If you have a bunch of flight delays in a row do you tell your passengers "I know we had icing conditions, then a mechanism malfunction, and then ran into crew day limitations (i.e. moving goalposts), but now we're waiting on weather and we need X visibility and Y ceiling to launch" or do you tell them "we're going at 3 o'clock, no matter what. Whatever's happening with the weather, we're sick of waiting and we're just going to deal with it."?

Difference being, when your passengers get fed up with the fact that you've been basing your delays on falsehoods, they can cancel their flight and tell you to pound sand. Unfortunately we're all locked in the terminal, being told by the pilot that we don't have a choice in where we're going, when we're leaving and that if we don't sit down and shut the f*ck up, we're a bunch of racists who deserve to lose their jobs.

Ahhhh yes! Karen from row 32 in the back had it all figured out "It's falsehoods"

The equivalent of them storming off of the plane is leaving Canada. You are free to do so if you wish.

[altiplano]

Me too. If the majority of Canadians support ending mandates then why didn't the majority of Canadians vote for a party that would end them. We just had an election and the liberals were elected, albeit with a minority goverment. Go ahead and protest, that's great and absolutely a right but it isn't being done peacefully when it is disrupting people in Ottawa and is it not anyone's right to make vulnerable and elderly people feel unsafe in their own community.

1. Libs had fewer votes than the Tories

2. Inconvenience is not violence

3. Disruption is not violence

4. "Feel safe" is subjective and residents are not in unsafe conditions due presence of protests

By your metrics, lockdowns and mandates are not peaceful and are violent against citizens ie. disruptive, adversely affect vulnerable people, makes people feel unsafe with forced medical procedures, marginalized living conditions, wiped out livelihoods.

Bottom line, no matter how you try to frame it, government is for the people, by the people - THE HOUSE OF COMMONS - and the people are there peacefully in public spaces, no police confrontations, no vandalized businesses, no arson, no fights, no riots, no inciting of anything other than end the mandates, and they have the right to be there, assembly and speech are protected activities.

Clearly the Liberals hoped for something, anything, to break out, and all they got was a Canadian flag draped over Terry Fox - "desecration" - and their own antifa operatives who emerged from the Chateau Laurier for the lone quick photo of a swastika flag and not even in the protest itself - they weren't that brave! So they resort to the "words are violence" and try to reframe the definition of peaceful.


"Canada will always stand up for the right of peaceful protest anywhere around the world."
Justin Trudeau

[Vaticinator]

The equivalent of them storming off of the plane is leaving Canada. You are free to do so if you wish.

Not exactly. Free to leave, yes. But not free to head wherever you like and pitch your tent. We effectively cannot opt out. That's part of why these protests are so important. If it were that simple, many of us would have long ago moved to the US.

[Bingo Fuel]

If it were that simple, many of us would have long ago moved to the US.

I honestly hope the US border will open for pilots.

I will be proud and happy to remain in Canada, and enjoy the improved wages and working conditions the open border provides.

[pelmet]

2. Inconvenience is not violence

3. Disruption is not violence

4. "Feel safe" is subjective and residents are not in unsafe conditions due presence of protests

By your metrics, lockdowns and mandates are not peaceful and are violent against citizens ie. disruptive, adversely affect vulnerable people, makes people feel unsafe with forced medical procedures, marginalized living conditions, wiped out livelihoods.

Bottom line, no matter how you try to frame it, government is for the people, by the people - THE HOUSE OF COMMONS - and the people are there peacefully in public spaces, no police confrontations, no vandalized businesses, no arson, no fights, no riots, no inciting of anything other than end the mandates, and they have the right to be there, assembly and speech are protected activities.

There are kinds of crimes that don't involve violence. Any takers on a bet that the vast majority of blockaders were of the opinion two years ago that the previous group of blockaders should be arrested. I believe they felt their issue was just as compelling.

"Disruption is not violence". Any takers on a bet that the vast majority of pilots who are saying that would be calling the police on arrival for a disruptive passenger.

[digits_]

2. Inconvenience is not violence

3. Disruption is not violence

4. "Feel safe" is subjective and residents are not in unsafe conditions due presence of protests

By your metrics, lockdowns and mandates are not peaceful and are violent against citizens ie. disruptive, adversely affect vulnerable people, makes people feel unsafe with forced medical procedures, marginalized living conditions, wiped out livelihoods.

Bottom line, no matter how you try to frame it, government is for the people, by the people - THE HOUSE OF COMMONS - and the people are there peacefully in public spaces, no police confrontations, no vandalized businesses, no arson, no fights, no riots, no inciting of anything other than end the mandates, and they have the right to be there, assembly and speech are protected activities.

There are kinds of crimes that don't involve violence. Any takers on a bet that the vast majority of blockaders were of the opinion two years ago that the previous group of blockaders should be arrested. I believe they felt their issue was just as compelling.

"Disruption is not violence". Any takers on a bet that the vast majority of pilots who are saying that would be calling the police on arrival for a disruptive passenger.

When protesting, you will always inconvenience people. That's the whole point of the protest. Politicians don't care about a bunch of people with cardboard signs, they do however care if those people piss off other people, who then don't vote for them. It's a perverse effect of the protest, but unfortunately that's also what gives it its power.

Blocking the border or major highways is not good. Blocking a few streets around parliament hill in Ottawa is quite appropriate. If you decide to live there, it's fairly obvious you will have to endure a few protests a year, many of which you might not agree with.

Let's say there are 10k people what want to protest. They're not allowed to drive in their vehicles, because that would block the roads. Then they can't walk on the streets, for the same reason. So they should walk on the sidewalks. But they can't use the full sidewalk, because they shouldn't block it. Don't yell any slogans either, that's too loud, so they should be quiet. Eventually you just end up with a bunch of people strolling through the city in silence, and that's not a protest.

[pelmet]

2. Inconvenience is not violence

3. Disruption is not violence

4. "Feel safe" is subjective and residents are not in unsafe conditions due presence of protests

By your metrics, lockdowns and mandates are not peaceful and are violent against citizens ie. disruptive, adversely affect vulnerable people, makes people feel unsafe with forced medical procedures, marginalized living conditions, wiped out livelihoods.

Bottom line, no matter how you try to frame it, government is for the people, by the people - THE HOUSE OF COMMONS - and the people are there peacefully in public spaces, no police confrontations, no vandalized businesses, no arson, no fights, no riots, no inciting of anything other than end the mandates, and they have the right to be there, assembly and speech are protected activities.

There are kinds of crimes that don't involve violence. Any takers on a bet that the vast majority of blockaders were of the opinion two years ago that the previous group of blockaders should be arrested. I believe they felt their issue was just as compelling.

"Disruption is not violence". Any takers on a bet that the vast majority of pilots who are saying that would be calling the police on arrival for a disruptive passenger.

When protesting, you will always inconvenience people. That's the whole point of the protest. Politicians don't care about a bunch of people with cardboard signs, they do however care if those people piss off other people, who then don't vote for them. It's a perverse effect of the protest, but unfortunately that's also what gives it its power.

Blocking the border or major highways is not good. Blocking a few streets around parliament hill in Ottawa is quite appropriate. If you decide to live there, it's fairly obvious you will have to endure a few protests a year, many of which you might not agree with.

Let's say there are 10k people what want to protest. They're not allowed to drive in their vehicles, because that would block the roads. Then they can't walk on the streets, for the same reason. So they should walk on the sidewalks. But they can't use the full sidewalk, because they shouldn't block it. Don't yell any slogans either, that's too loud, so they should be quiet. Eventually you just end up with a bunch of people strolling through the city in silence, and that's not a protest.

One has to wonder if some of the downtown blocking protesters will be identified and have their driveways blocked for a while by counter-protesters expressing their freedom to protest blocking downtowns. I bet you would see some really pissed off residents. But that would be different, I suppose, from the downtown protesters point of view.

[digits_]

One has to wonder if some of the downtown blocking protesters will be identified and have their driveways blocked for a while by counter-protesters expressing their freedom to protest blocking downtowns. I bet you would see some really pissed off residents. But that would be different, I suppose, from the downtown protesters point of view.

The goal of the protesters is not to block driveways, the goal is to be heard by the government.
What would be the goal of the counter protesters, except for revenge?


Sounds a bit like those people who move next to an airport and then complain about airplane noise. If you live in a nation's capital, you'll see more protests than your average citizen.
If you never saw any protests living in a capital, you'd probably be living in a really scary country.

[altiplano]

2. Inconvenience is not violence

3. Disruption is not violence

4. "Feel safe" is subjective and residents are not in unsafe conditions due presence of protests

By your metrics, lockdowns and mandates are not peaceful and are violent against citizens ie. disruptive, adversely affect vulnerable people, makes people feel unsafe with forced medical procedures, marginalized living conditions, wiped out livelihoods.

Bottom line, no matter how you try to frame it, government is for the people, by the people - THE HOUSE OF COMMONS - and the people are there peacefully in public spaces, no police confrontations, no vandalized businesses, no arson, no fights, no riots, no inciting of anything other than end the mandates, and they have the right to be there, assembly and speech are protected activities.

There are kinds of crimes that don't involve violence. Any takers on a bet that the vast majority of blockaders were of the opinion two years ago that the previous group of blockaders should be arrested. I believe they felt their issue was just as compelling.

"Disruption is not violence". Any takers on a bet that the vast majority of pilots who are saying that would be calling the police on arrival for a disruptive passenger.

Of course there are crimes that don't involve violence. What crime are you alleging is happening here though? These people are in a public space where their government is, perhaps the most important of public of spaces there is, free and open and transparent democratic government and all.

Railroad blockades you are speaking of are on private land. When you you trespass on CN/CP tracks you are breaking the law. When you attempt to derail trains potentially killing people and causing environmental catastrophes you are committing attempted murder and and terrorism.

Ask the people of Caledon how they feel about highway and road blockades... indeed they couldn't even walk or ride a bike by those protesters without a threat of violence... how long has that been going. Traffic jam downtown Ottawa though? People can still freely go by it, just tough/impossible to drive through it .. Business and people who live and thrive off the money of Canadians that flows through Ottawa are inconvenienced for a week? Comes with the territory as far as I'm concerned.

Disruptive passengers? Lots of levels for that, not all involve police, in fact almost all don't involve the police. And it's not a public space, you are bound by and agree to conditions/tariffs when you purchase a ticket.

[rookiepilot]

There has been numerous documented instances of left leaning protesters going to politicians homes, when the (male) congressman is away. They then terrorize the Families and children of that person, screaming violent -- even death threats -- through the windows, all night.

Never have seen the CBC say a word about that, nor CNN. That's OK, cause it's targeting the right, and that's justified.

THAT, my friends, is unacceptable.

No one in Ottawa has done anything like that, despite repeated innuendo that would happen. Nothing even close.

[imjustlurking]

The equivalent of them storming off of the plane is leaving Canada. You are free to do so if you wish.

Not exactly. Free to leave, yes. But not free to head wherever you like and pitch your tent. We effectively cannot opt out. That's part of why these protests are so important. If it were that simple, many of us would have long ago moved to the US.

https://www.uscis.gov/green-card/green- ... categories

[Bingo Fuel]

There has been numerous documented instances of left leaning protesters going to politicians homes, when the (male) congressman is away. They then terrorize the Families and children of that person, screaming violent -- even death threats -- through the windows, all night.

Never have seen the CBC say a word about that, nor CNN. That's OK, cause it's targeting the right, and that's justified.

THAT, my friends, is unacceptable.

No one in Ottawa has done anything like that, despite repeated innuendo that would happen. Nothing even close.

Never heard about any of this in Canada. Please enlighten us and provide examples from sources you think are reputable.

EDIT:
Any actions I've been aware of have been from those upset about COVID mandates:

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/woman-briefl ... -1.5715584

https://globalnews.ca/news/7622570/core ... hall-plea/