Truckers convoy

[pelmet]

One has to wonder if some of the downtown blocking protesters will be identified and have their driveways blocked for a while by counter-protesters expressing their freedom to protest blocking downtowns. I bet you would see some really pissed off residents. But that would be different, I suppose, from the downtown protesters point of view.

The goal of the protesters is not to block driveways, the goal is to be heard by the government.
What would be the goal of the counter protesters, except for revenge?


Sounds a bit like those people who move next to an airport and then complain about airplane noise. If you live in a nation's capital, you'll see more protests than your average citizen.

The goal of the counter-protestors would be freedom of speech. I think it should be exercised. We want to let you know for a week or three that we disagree with highway blockades No violence, just some blocked driveways.

Just like airplane noise can happen far from airports sometimes, some protests are far away from the the downtown of a capital. Maybe it will catch on.

[newlygrounded]

There has been numerous documented instances of left leaning protesters going to politicians homes, when the (male) congressman is away. They then terrorize the Families and children of that person, screaming violent -- even death threats -- through the windows, all night.

Never have seen the CBC say a word about that, nor CNN. That's OK, cause it's targeting the right, and that's justified.

THAT, my friends, is unacceptable.

No one in Ottawa has done anything like that, despite repeated innuendo that would happen. Nothing even close.

Never heard about any of this in Canada. Please enlighten us and provide examples from sources you think are reputable.

EDIT:
Any actions I've been aware of have been from those upset about COVID mandates:

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/woman-briefl ... -1.5715584

https://globalnews.ca/news/7622570/core ... hall-plea/

There's been tons in the past

https://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/char ... -1.4953826

https://www.cp24.com/news/protesters-cl ... -1.5013310

"According to reports from the scene, some of the protesters tried to force their way into the building"

Seems pretty shitty

[Bingo Fuel]

There has been numerous documented instances of left leaning protesters going to politicians homes, when the (male) congressman is away. They then terrorize the Families and children of that person, screaming violent -- even death threats -- through the windows, all night.

Never have seen the CBC say a word about that, nor CNN. That's OK, cause it's targeting the right, and that's justified.

THAT, my friends, is unacceptable.

No one in Ottawa has done anything like that, despite repeated innuendo that would happen. Nothing even close.

Never heard about any of this in Canada. Please enlighten us and provide examples from sources you think are reputable.

EDIT:
Any actions I've been aware of have been from those upset about COVID mandates:

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/woman-briefl ... -1.5715584

https://globalnews.ca/news/7622570/core ... hall-plea/

There's been tons in the past

https://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/char ... -1.4953826

https://www.cp24.com/news/protesters-cl ... -1.5013310

"According to reports from the scene, some of the protesters tried to force their way into the building"

Seems pretty shitty

Thanks for that! Absolutely reprehensible, regardless of political affiliation.

[altiplano]

Not taking it to only politicians houses, but regular Canadians:

Forty far left antifa marched through Hamilton residential neighborhoods a few years ago in the name of social justice. They vandalized regular people's houses and cars, intimidated residents in their own homes. Then they turned on small businesses, they threatened and attacked regular people out in their community... They caused millions in damages

Their promotional material read:
"Because F- the rich"
"Hamilton has been beset upon by a plague of gentrifying yuppies. Let's show those f--ks what we think of them"

The far left and their supporters are the fascists.

They wrote of the night afterwards. Here's what the far left really thinks of regular Canadians and they don't mind taking it right to your front door.

Hamilton: Ungovernables and Yuppie Tears: A Saturday night on Locke St

Every day — whether it’s the landlords charging ever more rent for ever shittier apartments, the boss pushing you to work harder, the business association lobbying for more cops, or just the Audi that cuts you off in rush hour — the rich make our lives worse. Every day we have to deal with their attacks on us, but every once in a while we can find a way to strike back.

On Saturday night, I met up with a group of people in the Durand neighbourhood, strolled along Aberdeen and up some of the side streets attacking the luxury cars and mansions we found there, making noise with a portable sound system and loads of fireworks. The march then turned down Locke and attacked as many yuppie businesses as we could before deciding to disperse. The police say we ran from them, but I didn’t see a single fucking cop after they were chased off up on Aberdeen.

To all the undoubtedly sincere and principled anti-capitalists on the internet who wonder why the Starbucks didn’t get smashed but all the poor, sweet small businesses did, it’s only because it was just a bit too far north. My one regret from the evening.

As the comrade Kirk Burgess explained on Twitter:

“Imagine being so mad about gentrification; that you round up some loser friends, cover your faces, and run riot in one of the city’s most affluent neighbourhoods. Throwing bricks at homes and businesses. You’re disgusting.”

That’s more or less it Kirk, me and my loser friends.

All my worst bosses have been small business owners — the problem isn’t the size of the business, it’s that the relationship is exploitative. When someone decides to be a capitalist, making money through their investments rather than through their labour, their position relative to changes in the city becomes fundamentally different. Gentrification, as an example: when rents go up, it means they make more money (rather than lose their home); when prices go up and rich people move in, it means a chance to sell luxury goods (while we work for minimum wage); when more police and surveillance come in, it secures your investment (while we get harassed and pushed out). They are getting rich because our lives are getting worse.

Sure, small business owners may work long hours, but even if I’m putting in 12 hour days next to my boss, and we both scrub the toilet, the fact that they own and I work means our relationship to the work is totally different. When business is good (or when they manage to crowdfund), they’re taking out a new lease on a car or signing a mortgage on an investment property while my check is eaten up by rent, bills, and the grocery store. I’ve got no option but to show up tomorrow while their ability to enrich themselves increases.

@#$! the rich. @#$! capitalists (even the ones who sell high-end baked goods). And to all of you who want to complain about violence, remember that the only reason these parasites get to keep their hands clean is because most often their attacks just look like business as usual.

Should we continue writing letters hoping Jason “I-want-an-Apple-store” Farr will do something? Or believing that somehow Andrea Horwath will stop kissing the Locke St BIA’s ass? Or we could trick ourselves that the solution to economic oppression is more innovative startups, or charity? Should I just keep smiling at the rich jerk in hopes that he’ll give me a bigger tip?

Locke St was downtown’s first gentrified street, its “success story” as Mayor Fred might say, the surrounding neighbourhoods the first to see the rent hikes that have since come to dominate so many of our lives. Turning the tables and finally counterattacking Saturday night helped me to shake off some of the fear and frustration that build up when you’re trapped in a hopeless situation. May the rich remember that they are still within the reach of all the people they @#$! over.


https://north-shore.info/2018/03/05/ham ... -locke-st/

[Bingo Fuel]

Fair enough. Keep on honking then.

[7ECA]

The far left and their supporters are the fascists.

How do you know when someone doesn't understand history or politics worth a damn? You read a comment such as this...

Fascism:

...a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism[1] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and the economy[2] that rose to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.[3][4] The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I, before spreading to other European countries.[3] Opposed to anarchism, democracy, liberalism, and Marxism,[5] fascism is placed on the far right-wing within the traditional left–right spectrum.[3][6]

Fascist:

an advocate or follower of the political philosophy or system of fascism

a person who is extremely right-wing or authoritarian

But okay, it's a left wing/left leaning ideology.

[tsgarp]

John Galt

[TG]

Nailed it.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rex-mu ... s-to-laugh

If the PM had shown an ounce of respect, this would be long over.

Understanding for Indian farmers. Smears Canadian truckers (and soon farmers, when they arrive)

I enjoyed reading that article but if the protesters had shown "an ounce of respect" they would not be disrupting the lives of people that just happen to live where they are honking and idling their trucks. They should park somewhere safe and walk or organize buses (don't they have millions of dollars now?) to parliament hill and protest there.

You deleted one post and edited this one three times but still didn't answer my question. This isn't peaceful and perhaps they would gain the support and respect of more Canadians if they themselves showed the respect that they are looking for.

They have the respect and support of the majority of Canadians. Millions of people. A few sleepless nights for a few thousand people in downtown Ottawa is not our concern. Freedom from a tyrannical government is... Slightly more important issue.

Freedom from a tyrannical government!? Really? Are you living in Afghanistan? Myanmar? North Korea?

Dictatorship doesn't necessarily comes from governments by the way. It sneaks in the form of inequalities, racism, misogyny, homophobia, etc....This convoy of "Freedom" seems to have its share of support from groups aligning to that crap and somehow none from the Canadian Trucking Alliance amongst other things.

And yes dictatorship can also comes in the form of landlords charging too much for their rents, gap between rich and poor widening, small businesses being swatted by mammoth's One, etc...

This convoy is too big to get ignored for sure but they certainly don't have the millions of people support that you seems to imply.
I'll give you a tiny sample. Nobody but one in my entourage support them! Sure thing everybody would like their life back to normal in a timely manner, they just don't support those awful ideas I listed above (The one pro-Convoy is a hard core anti-vax by the way, no bias there)
Disclaimer: I do have more than two friends or family members


I think this convoy, act like a Canary in a coal mine. Extremists Left or right from all forms and shapes being the ambiant air, Canada the coal mine. That's what this government should be worried about because...



It looks like the Canary is already dead.

[pelmet]

One has to wonder if some of the downtown blocking protesters will be identified and have their driveways blocked for a while by counter-protesters expressing their freedom to protest blocking downtowns. I bet you would see some really pissed off residents. But that would be different, I suppose, from the downtown protesters point of view.

The response to counter protesters blocking protesters' driveways is very simple. As a counter-counter protest we dox and cancel them; deny them the right to work or government assistance and let them starve in the cold.

Has that happened somewhere previously? I hear there is plenty of heat and good food in the ICU all at taxpayer expense. Meanwhile, the cancer patients are the ones denied or delayed government assistance.

[altiplano]

The far left and their supporters are the fascists.

How do you know when someone doesn't understand history or politics worth a damn? You read a comment such as this...

How do you know someone doesn't understand the the statement?

Like no shit... that's my point.

Fascism was associated historically as a far right movement, but things have come full circle.

The top down authoritarianism we're seeing from the left, the division and class structure, the relationship with Government and business controlling people and behaviors, dictating outputs and investment, winners and losers, Government rather than people are what is driving this bus at this point, we see a complete control of media, information, we are told who are good in society and who are bad, who we are to revile and reject, we are controlled with fear yet told to celebrate it.

Not to mention the behaviours of the most fanatical supporters... only one acceptable ideology, only one way to think, identity uber alles.

[Vaticinator]

https://www.uscis.gov/green-card/green- ... categories

Do you have any idea how long it takes to get a green card? My lawyer does. This will be a distant memory by the time I'm actually there. The question is, what will our society look like by then, if Trudeau continues to unjustifiably limit our rights?

[altiplano]

Yeah, impossible to get a green card, tried that as a possibility about 20 years ago without any luck... lottery is the best option if you qualify, unfortunately not-recent-immigrant Canadian families do not.

[imjustlurking]

https://www.uscis.gov/green-card/green- ... categories

Do you have any idea how long it takes to get a green card? My lawyer does. This will be a distant memory by the time I'm actually there. The question is, what will our society look like by then, if Trudeau continues to unjustifiably limit our rights?

Well, the Conservative party is fractured. The trucker convoy and support for it in the party was just the last straw.

The Liberals have just been handed the next election on a golden platter.

[rookiepilot]

There has been numerous documented instances of left leaning protesters going to politicians homes, when the (male) congressman is away. They then terrorize the Families and children of that person, screaming violent -- even death threats -- through the windows, all night.

Never have seen the CBC say a word about that, nor CNN. That's OK, cause it's targeting the right, and that's justified.

THAT, my friends, is unacceptable.

No one in Ottawa has done anything like that, despite repeated innuendo that would happen. Nothing even close.

Never heard about any of this in Canada. Please enlighten us and provide examples from sources you think are reputable.

EDIT:
Any actions I've been aware of have been from those upset about COVID mandates:

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/woman-briefl ... -1.5715584

https://globalnews.ca/news/7622570/core ... hall-plea/

You must live under a rock, then. Why is this OK -- with the Media, too?

https://www.thestar.com/politics/provin ... s-ire.html

Pandemic protesters have been targeting the Etobicoke home of Premier Doug Ford for nearly two years, raising the ire of local residents and requiring persistent surveillance by police.

[Aviatard]

The far left and their supporters are the fascists.

“I heard fascists are bad. I think the left is bad. Therefore they are fascists.”

This is quite the genius level of thought.

[7ECA]

The far left and their supporters are the fascists.

“I heard fascists are bad. I think the left is bad. Therefore they are fascists.”

This is quite the genius level of thought.

Seems to be the crux of the argument.

Interestingly enough, both far sides of the political spectrum strive for similar yet diametrically opposed systems (they both end up being totalitarian, Fascism and Communism - beyond that the similarities end rather rapidly). The right, seems to feel as though their form of totalitarianism will somehow allow their better angels to flourish under a regime of few regulations and individual freedoms (except we know that's not what will occur, history being our guide). The right also likes to point fingers at the failure of the Soviet Communist model as some sort of evidence that, since it faltered after decades of cronyism, crushing economic conditions and corruption; that the left is wholly unsuitable to govern in any form.

Sadly, both sides (but especially the right) forget that all forms of totalitarian governments and especially ones with a theocratic bent inevitably become kakistocracies.

But, hey, FREEDOM!

[Bingo Fuel]

There has been numerous documented instances of left leaning protesters going to politicians homes, when the (male) congressman is away. They then terrorize the Families and children of that person, screaming violent -- even death threats -- through the windows, all night.

Never have seen the CBC say a word about that, nor CNN. That's OK, cause it's targeting the right, and that's justified.

THAT, my friends, is unacceptable.

No one in Ottawa has done anything like that, despite repeated innuendo that would happen. Nothing even close.

Never heard about any of this in Canada. Please enlighten us and provide examples from sources you think are reputable.

EDIT:
Any actions I've been aware of have been from those upset about COVID mandates:

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/woman-briefl ... -1.5715584

https://globalnews.ca/news/7622570/core ... hall-plea/

You must live under a rock, then. Why is this OK -- with the Media, too?

https://www.thestar.com/politics/provin ... s-ire.html

Pandemic protesters have been targeting the Etobicoke home of Premier Doug Ford for nearly two years, raising the ire of local residents and requiring persistent surveillance by police.

You'll find I referenced the same anti-Ford protest in my post. But just because they're protesting against Ford doesn't necessarily make them left wing.

[Just another canuck]

…

[rookiepilot]

People complain at the grocery store, on an airplane, restaurants. Everyone says — “not us — take it to Ottawa”.

Rightly so.

PM doesn’t say. “i welcome the dialog and will stand up for your rights to be heard”.

Nope. You’re not welcome on Parliament hill.

You are all — I quote “homophobic racist hate speech loving misogynistic terrorists”.

All repeatedly said, and all said BEFORE one single truck arrived in Ottawa.

But SO cowardly. Media are the lowest form of coward.

None of them have singled out an individual by name with those terms, and a good thing — its actionable at law if they did. I would aggressively sue in a heartbeat.

THAT is the only point worth discussing. Its indefensible.

[Inverted2]

Protests planned for Quebec City and Toronto coming up too. Time to take it to the premiers. End this nonsense. Time to move on.

[rookiepilot]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/t ... -1.6338403

PRESS CONFERENCE

Protesters who remain in downtown Ottawa maintain they won't switch gears and leave the capital until politicians reveal a clear plan for the end to all COVID-19 mandates and restrictions, organizers say.

At a news conference inside an Ottawa hotel Thursday, the co-organizer of the "Freedom Convoy 2022" fundraising campaign on GoFundMe, Tamara Lich, said vaccine mandates do more harm than good.

What began as a protest against "the federal government's restrictions on trucker freedoms," has transformed, she said.

Our movement has grown in Canada and across the world because common people are tired of the mandates and restrictions in their own lives," said Lich.

The news conference was the first time organizers spoke publicly since they arrived in Ottawa, launching a protest that has now lasted almost a week.

Reporters were not permitted to ask questions of Lich. The lawyer for the convoy did answer two questions regarding the status of the more than $10 million raised in a fundraiser on the GoFundMe website.

Funds were put on hold Wednesday as GoFundMe checked whether the use of the money complied with the company terms of service and all applicable laws and regulations.

The lawyer said the group submitted additional documentation to GoFundMe and he expects the company will soon release the rest of the funds.

Lich, described at the news conference as "the spark that lit this fire," has ties to the federal Maverick Party with roots in Alberta separatist circles.

She described participants in the demonstration as "average" but tired of "being disrespected and bullied by our government."

"No one from the federal, provincial or municipal government has spoken directly with us," she said.

Lich assured residents the protesters "have no intentions of staying one day longer than necessary."

"Our departure will be based on the prime minister doing what is right," she said.

Former RCMP officer Daniel Bulford, who said he spoke out publicly against vaccine mandates before resigning from the force, said the movement has no link to those charged by police for property damage.

He said organizers have communicated with local police since early last week, and mentioned they have tried to help clear snow in the area of the protest.

[Bingo Fuel]

People complain at the grocery store, on an airplane, restaurants. Everyone says — “not us — take it to Ottawa”.

Rightly so.

PM doesn’t say. “i welcome the dialog and will stand up for your rights to be heard”.

Nope. You’re not welcome on Parliament hill.

You are all — I quote “homophobic racist hate speech loving misogynistic terrorists”.

All repeatedly said, and all said BEFORE one single truck arrived in Ottawa.

But SO cowardly. Media are the lowest form of coward.

None of them have singled out an individual by name with those terms, and a good thing — its actionable at law if they did. I would aggressively sue in a heartbeat.

THAT is the only point worth discussing. Its indefensible.

They singled out Pat King. Maybe he should sue?

[altiplano]

The far left and their supporters are the fascists.

“I heard fascists are bad. I think the left is bad. Therefore they are fascists.”

This is quite the genius level of thought.

They are the ones calling these protesters fascists, calling anyone right of them fascists, calling anyone that doesn't support their narrative fascist. Yet they seriously behave as fascists. Big Pharma, Big Tech, Corporate Media, Government... all a collaboration to promote and impose their values, their version of happiness and safety, and a being Great Reset to a Brave New World.

What is that behaviour defined as? It isn't communism, it is akin to fascism. As I said, full circle.

Yet those that want less Government, more individual autonomy, you contend they are the fascists because they are "right".

[tsgarp]

How do you know when someone doesn't understand history or politics worth a damn? You read a comment such as this...

You sound like someone who has done a lot of reading, but not a lot of understanding. Right/Left...just unidimensional and useless labels.

There is no empirical distinction between fascism and todays woke mob. Both call for individual subservience to central authority, both advocate punishment, to the point of violence, for dissidents. The truly ironic thing is that the ideal socialist society (a communist society) requires a fascist government at its core. The only way to enforce the tenet of "From each according to his abilities, and to each according to his needs" is to delegate a level of authority to the government which is indistinguishable from that in a fascist state. This level of authority inevitably attracts the type of people worst suited to wield it. This is why every heavily socialist state eventually fails under the burden of corruption.

As for the protest; I support their position. This vaccine is basically experimental and the disease it combats is not that bad. Forcing someone to take it is just wrong.

[Aviatard]

you contend they are the fascists because they are "right".

I don’t contend anything of the sort. You righty commies really love making crap up and then blaming your imagined bullshit on the other guy. Know who else had a straw man? That’s right, the wizard of Oz and he had no brain either. Comrade.