Truckers convoy

[photofly]

PF- I don't have an agenda either way about the protests. I'm actually bit conflicted really because I don't align with 99% of their general opinions however I am of the mind that the current gov't enforced vaccine mandates are an ongoing judgement error.

That being said, a protest isn't much of a protest if it isn't an inconvenience. However, I was FAR more inconvenienced living downtown Toronto during the G7. I also lived at the bottom of Glen Manor in the beaches and couldn't even think about getting in my car during Jazz fest. No big whup.
My main point, and the reason I went against my own best instincts and replied in this sub-forum, is that so many people outside of this city are under a misapprehension purely because of the false environment being portrayed by some media outlets. I'm just trying to give people a bit of perspective.

Fair enough. I agree about the G7, but at least it had an end date.

That being said, a protest isn't much of a protest if it isn't an inconvenience.

That's the insurmountable problem the protesters have to scale. If they're not inconveniencing anyone the government has no reason to concede to their demands. The only way to (try to) get what they want is to make life as difficult as possible, and who are the only people for whom they are in a position to do that? The people who live and work in downtown Ottawa.

If the media paints what you say is the "true" picture of all as roses and sunshine downtown, nobody needs to care if they're there until doomsday - not the residents, not world opinion, and not JT either. That wouldn't suit the demonstrators at all.

So honestly, it doesn't make any sense that someone with an agenda to bring down a government is making nice.

[7ECA]

If the media paints what you say is the "true" picture of all as roses and sunshine downtown, nobody needs to care if they're there until doomsday - not the residents, not world opinion, and not JT either. That wouldn't suit the demonstrators at all.

So honestly, it doesn't make any sense that someone with an agenda to bring down a government is making nice.

Gosh, could you imagine how livid the protestors would be if the media "ignored" them and said all was well in Ottawa, always has been well, always will be... truckers? What truckers?

That's the rub, from the get go this cabal had members whom were openly espousing seditious intent; and now the overall agenda has evolved into something significantly more serious than simply removing a vaccine mandate in a single industry - but to the overthrow of a democratically elected government.

As was pointed out in an article, I believe in the Mop and Pail - pardon me, Globe and Mail; government at all levels failed to respond properly even with multiple days of notice that this protest was coming. They absolutely should have shut down access to Ottawa, or otherwise made it impossible for the level of disruption to occur in such a prominent area of the nation's capital.

You also know you're on the wrong side of an issue, when even a Conservative paper like the Globe has been publishing articles for days now condemning the protests...

[pelmet]

Just another example of forming a false opinion based on heavily biased media, by no fault of your own.

Photofly, come to Ottawa and spend a few days downtown to see with your own eyes. Yes, there's been an inconvenience, yes it would be better for people and business if they weren't there, but don't believe for a second it's a sea of harrasing, horn-honking rednecks trying to make people's lives miserable 24/7.

The number of horn honks after about 8pm barely equal the amount normally heard in the core. Some of the people you're hearing complaining are people that will take offense about anything and shouldn't be living downtown. The same people who move beside an airport and complain about planes. Strange how they'd normally be ignored by everyone but suddenly their stories are being published in national media.

Unapologetically, if you aren't here in person, you have no basis to make an emphatic opinion about it since you're only repeating a second hand story.

DanWEC said on another thread that he lives in Ottawa. I suggest you guys take him up on to go to Ottawa and 'inconvenience' him by renting a truck and sticking it in front of his driveway. You could ring his doorbell repeatedly every 15 minutes til 8pm. Wanna bet he will call the police and demand removal.

[pelmet]

A good example of what the anti-vaxxers are really like. Completely disrespectful. Instead of "here is my ID officer", they are in your face, aggressive, and verbally abusive. The same people who will block your hospitals and then fill them up demanding medical service when they need it, probably expecting to go ahead of everyone else.

This is what they are really like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea-7RKp ... =emb_title

And then they will make the sadsack excuses(just like what will be done on this thread)

“I meant no harm,”
“I just gave the trucker a thumbs-up and a honk.”
'Charlebois said he respects police'

Yea right. You were arrested because of your behaviour after you were stopped. Nice to have a video showing what the cops are dealing with. And remember something folks, some hospital staff have been dealing with this kind of behaviour as well.

Arrest them.

[7ECA]

The comments on Youtube are pretty incendiary, and part of the reason why this "protest" has spiralled out of control is the poisonous discourse especially via the internet.

"Traitors will be dealt with when this is sorted out". Pretty f'd up language there, and a rather clear indicator of the sorts of individuals the police are dealing with when it comes to these so-called "peaceful demonstrators". You wonder why the cops have little interest walking into these larger crowds? Because they want to go back home to their families at the end of the day.

[Hi-Lighter]

Still got lots of popcorn left - but had some buddies over, so will need to go on a beer run tomorrow!!

This is more fun than watching the Roadrunner and Wily Coyote.

Road . of course are the truckers and the coyote is Justin Trudeau.

Just waiting for the Acme company "anvil" to take out the coyote.

See ya all tomorrow!!

Be safe everyone!!!!

[Big Bird Anonymous]

The trucker scumbag terrorists brought their children to use as shields for the expected violence...just like a hells angel or worse a red neck. Now they are very afraid to leave because they will be pummelled all the way home...then they will cry for police protection...they better watch out going under overpasses and through tunnels...

[short bus]

buddy, you got issues

[‘Bob’]

Still got lots of popcorn left - but had some buddies over, so will need to go on a beer run tomorrow!!

This is more fun than watching the Roadrunner and Wily Coyote.

Road . of course are the truckers and the coyote is Justin Trudeau.

Just waiting for the Acme company "anvil" to take out the coyote.

See ya all tomorrow!!

Be safe everyone!!!!

I’m pretty sure you have that backwards.

Trudeau is pretty much untouchable.

I mean, great that enough of the protesters paid attention in Grade 6 social studies to know that we have a Westminster style constitutional monarchy and that the Governor General has the power to dismiss a Prime Minister.

Too bad they don’t know it’s unprecedented in Canadian history for any GG to unilaterally dismiss a Prime Minister, and certainly no GG would risk a constitutional crisis in response to a bunch of rabble rousers. No GG would ever step down to a bunch of rabble rousers, either. Their demands are unreasonable and position untenable.

JT just won an election and doesn’t really need to do anything to stay in power other than keep the support of his party and coalition. The NDP won’t force a non-confidence vote. They don’t support the truckers and this is the only semblance of power they have. It’s seriously doubtful that Liberal MPs will cross the floor in sufficient mass to topple the government.

So what then? Well. It’s now clear who is chasing who.. who has the advantage, and who has the disadvantage… so all Trudeau has to do is wait for someone to do something really stupid.

A chain is only as strong as its weakest link. They could be the nicest protesters out there, but it’s only going to take one or two cold, frustrated, betrayed, and desperate people to act emotionally and it’s all going to come crashing down.. just like that hapless coyote on the canyon floor.

And JT is going to smile that smug little smile.. stick out his tongue.. go meep meep.. and keep on doing what he always does.

[Big Bird Anonymous]

https://convoytraitors.ca/

Now we can get even!!! There Will be many, many insurance claims for vehicle vandalism and maybe even a few bricks through plate glass windows of the personal property of these scum traitors...I hope there is no violence though...this should be done peacefully

[Big Bird Anonymous]

buddy, you got issues

Yes I have major opposition issues, but not nearly the mental retardation issues all of these scumbags and all their mental support goofs have everyday of their miserable, pathetic lives...I guess to be fair it should be Pathetic Traitor Lives Matter Too

What I've seen on other SM sites is if one encounters an anti-vaxxer just spit in their face and tell them you have the virus...sounds fun but I would never advocate for that, it's just wrong
https://convoytraitors.ca/

Go get em

[pelmet]

buddy, you got issues

Yes I have major opposition issues, but not nearly the mental retardation issues all of these scumbags and all their mental support goofs have everyday of their miserable, pathetic lives...I guess to be fair it should be Pathetic Traitor Lives Matter Too

What I've seen on other SM sites is if one encounters an anti-vaxxer just spit in their face and tell them you have the virus...sounds fun but I would never advocate for that, it's just wrong
https://convoytraitors.ca/

Go get em

For those who have foed this clown. Now he is advocating for violence. Hey pandemicists, you ok with this? He’s on your team after all.

I have reported him. Could others do the same please. Touch the exclamation mark button beside the quotation marks. All of us should as these types exist on both sides.

We appear to have non-aviators coming to this site for quite a while.

[Rooster69]

He/she is either just a troll or one of those participation trophy heroes whose helicopter mother has been telling him/her that their feelings should never be hurt.




Please stop quoting this person.

[Bingo Fuel]

I have reported him. Could others do the same please. Touch the exclamation mark button beside the quotation marks. All of us should as these types exist on both sides.

Done. Threats of violence should not be tolerated.

[DanWEC]

DanWEC said on another thread that he lives in Ottawa. I suggest you guys take him up on to go to Ottawa and 'inconvenience' him by renting a truck and sticking it in front of his driveway. You could ring his doorbell repeatedly every 15 minutes til 8pm. Wanna bet he will call the police and demand removal.

Excellent contributon to what was actually turning into a rational conversation between PF and I about media bias. You have somehow changed the topic completely and exposed my hidden agenda as a staunch supporter of the truckers even though I didn't even know I was myself! Incredible!

Go back and read again, slower this time, before making comments that don't even make sense.
Cheers.

[Bingo Fuel]

You also know you're on the wrong side of an issue, when even a Conservative paper like the Globe has been publishing articles for days now condemning the protests...

Absolutely. It's been very interesting reading the responses from old school Conservatives like Andrew Coyne.

I respect the hell out of that man, always have.

Unfortunately the discourse seems to be trending more into Rex Murphy and Conrad Black territory.

[vaxman]

You can't ever stop the birdman from hijacking. I have hundreds of aliases

Scum traitors

https://convoytraitors.ca/

[RoAF-Mig21]

How many of you here have been at the YYZ "Aviation Protest" in Oct 2020?

When our industry was being decimated, when half the people were losing their jobs and our borders closed, a few hundred of us went and protested. I was one of them. They told us to be respectful, minimize the impact to airport operations and make our voices heard. So we did, respectful of our airport, passengers, employers, etc.

What came of it? Absolutely NOTHING.

For two years people have been trying have their voices heard and it fell on deaf years. Municipal, provincial and federal politicians just ignored it. This trucker's convoy and protest did not ignite overnight. People like myself who are not anti vaccine (I have every single one of them + the COVID + the booster... BY CHOICE), are supporting the truckers and their cause, because NOBODY listened to us when we were crying and pleading to our politicians to keep our jobs.

Remember the draconian measures of putting families in hotels for $2000 / person / per weekend? I had friends with children that couldn't go to the funeral of their parent because coming back to Canada they would have had to pay $8000 for 4 members to be quarantine in a hotel. Only the dad went to burry his mother at a cost of about $5000 (plane + quarantine hotel)

So when voices are ignored citizens ramp up the pressure. First it was the convoy, then Ottawa and now blocking major arteries like the Ambassador Bridge. It should have never gotten to this. If we had a better government, better leaders, better politicians, this would have never happened. After all, we are one of the most compliant countries in the world when it came to vaccination rates, mask protocol, social distancing and so on. Our politicians should thank the Gods (all of them on Mount Olympus) for having citizens like Canada (Canadians).

[SRV]

Censorship now? This is what you do when you don't like the opponents view? Just keep glorifying yourselves, most of you caused this crap and you perpetuate lies and disinformation. Canada is very sick and it has nothing to do with C19. I'm ashamed of my industry

[photofly]

How many of you here have been at the YYZ "Aviation Protest" in Oct 2020?

When our industry was being decimated, when half the people were losing their jobs and our borders closed, a few hundred of us went and protested. I was one of them. They told us to be respectful, minimize the impact to airport operations and make our voices heard. So we did, respectful of our airport, passengers, employers, etc.

What came of it? Absolutely NOTHING.

For two years people have been trying have their voices heard and it fell on deaf years. Municipal, provincial and federal politicians just ignored it. This trucker's convoy and protest did not ignite overnight. People like myself who are not anti vaccine (I have every single one of them + the COVID + the booster... BY CHOICE), are supporting the truckers and their cause, because NOBODY listened to us when we were crying and pleading to our politicians to keep our jobs.

Remember the draconian measures of putting families in hotels for $2000 / person / per weekend? I had friends with children that couldn't go to the funeral of their parent because coming back to Canada they would have had to pay $8000 for 4 members to be quarantine in a hotel. Only the dad went to burry his mother at a cost of about $5000 (plane + quarantine hotel)

So when our voices are ignored citizens ramp up the pressure. First it was the convoy, then Ottawa and now blocking major arteries like the Ambassador Bridge. It should have never gotten to this. If we had a better government, better leaders, better politicians, this would have never happened. After all, we are one of the most compliant countries in the world when it came to vaccination rates, mask protocol, social distancing and so on. Our politicians should thank the Gods (all of them on Mount Olympus) for having citizens like Canada (Canadians).

A few hundred people protested, and their demands are accorded exactly the attention from government that a few hundred people deserve - which, in a country of 38 million, is very little.

In Ottawa, a few hundred (previously a couple of thousand) people are protesting, and their demands get the amount of attention that a few thousand out of a population of 38 million deserve - which is very little.

It's understandable, to try to have your voices "heard" - by which you mean having your demands met - by "ramping up the pressure" - but even intolerable pressure from a few thousand people is still only a few thousand people, no matter how strongly those few thousand feel about their grievance.

You're likely to point out that those views are shared by millions across Canada. Perhaps they are, perhaps they aren't. The next opportunity for those millions to express their opinions and have them taken into account will be at the next election. If those millions can't wait until then, then they *all* need to take the time and go to the trouble of being in downtown Ottawa. They clearly don't care enough, because they aren't there.

You can't have more influence than you deserve just by "ramping up the pressure" or being an ass, or blockading, or honking horns. That's not how government works, nor how (the millions) want it to work.

There was some interesting research done on the protests that toppled governments in Europe in the 90's and the Arab Spring. It takes about 4% of the population to turn out on to the street before governments fall. 4% of 38 million is 1.5 million. When 1.5 million Canadians march to Ottawa to demand the end of restrictions, something will happen. Wake me up if that happens.

[CpnCrunch]

There was some interesting research done on the protests that toppled governments in Europe in the 90's and the Arab Spring. It takes about 4% of the population to turn out on to the street before governments fall. 4% of 38 million is 1.5 million. When 1.5 million Canadians march to Ottawa to demand the end of restrictions, something will happen. Wake me up if that happens.

And the reason we mostly don't care is because the restrictions are already on the way out. There are really just the travel restrictions, and some mask mandates and vaccine passports in BC (which are on the way out). I'm hoping the government will make an announcement on travel restrictions this week. I care about that, but does the population in general care enough to kick out the government? They voted in the government that promised to enact them in the first place.

That just leave the truckers. Even if Canada removes their vaccine mandate (unlikely, as they've just brought it in), they still have the same mandate in the US, so it won't actually achieve anything. I suspect they have now put themselves to the end of the line anyway.

So the question is: do the Canadian public care enough about the 10% of unvaccinated truckers, and remaining travel restrictions, to bring down their government?

[digits_]

There was some interesting research done on the protests that toppled governments in Europe in the 90's and the Arab Spring. It takes about 4% of the population to turn out on to the street before governments fall. 4% of 38 million is 1.5 million. When 1.5 million Canadians march to Ottawa to demand the end of restrictions, something will happen. Wake me up if that happens.

They are trying to influence the covid restrictions. Not topple the government.

I'd say they are succeeding as well. The recent announcements from some provinces mentioned here before who are (planning to) removing restrictions are likely influenced by the convoy.

I've always been convinced that the people will decide when covid is over, not the government. I think that moment is here.


Note, if a thousand people show up at your parliament, the least they deserve is something like "Welcome all, we understand your concerns, we notice you are here. We hear you, we will take your grievances into account, but unfortunately it might take a while for them to be implemented". That's likely all it would have took to end it. Not "We don't negotiate with neo nazis or terrorists".

[Big Bird Anonymous]

There was some interesting research done on the protests that toppled governments in Europe in the 90's and the Arab Spring. It takes about 4% of the population to turn out on to the street before governments fall. 4% of 38 million is 1.5 million. When 1.5 million Canadians march to Ottawa to demand the end of restrictions, something will happen. Wake me up if that happens.

They are trying to influence the covid restrictions. Not topple the government.

I'd say they are succeeding as well. The recent announcements from some provinces mentioned here before who are (planning to) removing restrictions are likely influenced by the convoy.

I've always been convinced that the people will decide when covid is over, not the government. I think that moment is here.


Note, if a thousand people show up at your parliament, the least they deserve is something like "Welcome all, we understand your concerns, we notice you are here. We hear you, we will take your grievances into account, but unfortunately it might take a while for them to be implemented". That's likely all it would have took to end it. Not "We don't negotiate with neo nazis or terrorists".

No government made changes because of the traitor terrorists...these changes were due because of the Omicron variant spread is weakening...just pandering to make the twats go home...

[Hi-Lighter]

“SAWABONA”

A little comment about the “Little Guy Truckers convoys” that are present at every airport in the country.

To all you “High Flyers” (Elites with Wings) you best contemplate that your your flight experience might come to an abrupt end.

All of the little Fringe Minority of people who drive all types of trucks at your airport are tired of being dismissed as “Children of a Lesser God”.

These are some of the ones that drive trucks and support equipment on the airport.

All considered “Non-Essential” and paid accordingly.

You know:

The Poo truck drivers,
Fuel truck drivers,
Baggage cart drivers,
De-ice truck drivers and operators,
Huffer cart and HVAC cart drivers and operators,
Catering truck drivers,
Crew bus drivers,
Cabin cleaning truck drivers,
Maintenance truck and equipment drivers,
ETC

These people work for a crappy wage – often living literally pay period to pay period with little or no ability for many to even put away a bit of money for a rainy day. They don’t take their sick days – most are legally allowed a few and of course have the right to stay home if they are sick. Most contracts give them a 5 day window that after that period they have to get a Doctors note. But what would happen if one group or heaven forbid the whole group just happened to come down with flu and cold symptoms at the same time?

How high would you “Winged Gods” be flying then?

By your elitist manner the vast majority have dismissed these folks to just background noise. (Yes there are exceptions and you know who you are and we know who you are)

When was the last time you even said “Hello” to your re-fueler?

Said “Great job, Thanks” to a cabin cleaner?

Been down on the hangar floor lately and engaged in some meaningful dialog with a maintenance guy or a cleaner.

By the way in my almost 50 years in the industry the worst treatment and contempt for the “BLACK GANG” - as we sometimes like to call ourselves were: ( Black Gang – so called - because it came from the days of coal fired trains, ships etc. And the men who shoveled coal were covered in coal dust)

KLM
Lufthansa
BOAC
British Airways
and Air Canada

All tied for first place.



When I was in Africa I learned a great many things – one of those was a greeting that was most respectful and meaningful.


It was: “SAWABONA”

A common greeting among the tribes of northern Natal in South Africa and it literally means: “I SEE YOU”

As to say, “I respect and acknowledge you for who you are”

In return, people say “SIKBONA” which literally means: “I AM HERE” as to say “When you see me you bring me into existence”.

When was the last time you were even remotely close to a similar greeting to the third principle of the “Theory of Flight”.

In case you have forgotten:

1 - Bernoulli’ Principle
2 – Aircraft Fly on Money Principle.
3 – It takes a team to make an aircraft fly.


These folks are angry – they have been through all the same crap we all have the last 2 years including many job losses. In addition they have been marginalized and disrespected for the entire life cycle of this industry.

The loss of $500.00 in a month because of lock-downs won’t matter much to those of you making 3 figure salaries. A loss of $500.00 per month for this group is a catastrophic event.

Of course over the years of entitlement and privilege you have lost the ability to have any empathy for your fellow human beings. That is a shame, because these people matter, they have lives – often lived in quiet desperation – unseen, not heard, and not respected by you all.

If you want to keep flying, I suggest you get with a program to acknowledge that they even exist and are valued by you and the company that they work for.

I would not like to see the result of all these Fringe Minority people taking their 5 days of sick time and some holidays at the same time, but on the other hand, maybe you might think for a minute about them.

“SIKBONA”

[Big Bird Anonymous]

buddy, you got issues

Yes I have major opposition issues, but not nearly the mental retardation issues all of these scumbags and all their mental support goofs have everyday of their miserable, pathetic lives...I guess to be fair it should be Pathetic Traitor Lives Matter Too

What I've seen on other SM sites is if one encounters an anti-vaxxer just spit in their face and tell them you have the virus...sounds fun but I would never advocate for that, it's just wrong
https://convoytraitors.ca/

Go get em

For those who have foed this clown. Now he is advocating for violence. Hey pandemicists, you ok with this? He’s on your team after all.

Hi, I am just throwing back what vile verbiage you all spew...what can't take it? That's a weakness that I will exploit. And I thank you for quoting me.