Closing the COVID thread.

[TG]

I see what you did there....
Not you, or me or anyone here to decide if Covid is over!
Although, like you I will be more than happy when mandates will end.


But definitely yes! Time to close this dumb Covid Subforum, plenty of conspiracy sites elsewhere if one is in such a need to rant his "own interpretation of a pandemic/virus/vaccination/freedom/etc.."

[AirFrame]

1. COVID is not over.
2. The Covid forum never belonged here in the first place.

Neither choice fits, so not voting.

[WellThatAgedWell]

Why you all pretending democracy matters?

JT is King! It’s over when JT declares it over. Keep this thread up, I feel a new wave of omicron 2.0 will hit. Also next winter we will definitely see a couple thousand Covid deaths, so we will need reminders to mask and distance.

Restaurants, cinemas and gyms will be allowed to operate at full capacity in Ontario as of Thursday, the provincial government announced Monday.
Premier Doug Ford announced that capacity limits at indoor public settings where proof of vaccination is required will be lifted as of 12:01 a.m. on Feb. 17.
At the same time, the province will increase the number of people allowed to attend organized indoor public events to 50, and place no limit on organized outdoor public events.
The province will also allow 50 per cent seating capacity at sports arenas, concert venues and theatres.
Social gathering limits will increase to 50 people indoors and 100 people outdoors as well.

Seriously FOD, how are you declaring this over. If this is over why the hell do we still have passports and capacity limits. You can’t even go to a sporting event will more than half capacity. The science is different in America… super bowl with no masks and full stadium. Ellen went maskless yet she enforces mask policy when she runs her show! science! We should actually vote to keep the Covid sub permanent just like JT will want to keep some Covid policy permanent.

[WellThatAgedWell]

Let’s be honest,

Covid was over a few times….

In spring 2020 when in Spain they discovered the average age of a Covid death was higher than the average age of death, that was a signal that our restrictions were not warranted and we needed to protect a specific demographic. Covid was over.

In summer 2020 when politicians stopped working together and made things political, that was a signal that Covid was not as bad as they made it out to be and Covid was over.

In summer 2020 when dr tam and Fauci flipped mask science upside down and started making up new science. This was the beginning of new age science, political science science. Covid was over.

Spring 2021 when vaccines were available to everyone 60 plus in age, Covid was over.

Winter 2021 when omicron hit, and was exactly what the experts said in summer 2020 was the likely course of the pandemic. A less deadly variant that spreads faster. Covid was over.

In 2022 when even the most left leaning media outlets start to show the science on masking that it was all a complete fabrication and masking was not an effective measure against Covid. Covid was over.

The pandemic only ever continued because of fear porn and governments electing to take actions that were completely unscientific and designed to cause hysteria. It was never a pandemic, or a pandemic of the unvaccinated. It was a bad flu coupled with a completely inadequate social health system that was failing every flu season. Now watch as politicians try to end restrictions, but yet explain how restrictions were needed. We still have Covid cases, we still have hospitalization and deaths, how the hell do we just end restrictions? Why can we end them now, and not last summer? Idiots!

[WellThatAgedWell]

So let me get this straight, deaths and hospitalization is near all time high, yet now is the time to declare Covid over and start ending restrictions.

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[CpnCrunch]

3. I find it somewhat entertaining and/or intellectually challenging trying to correct people who are wrong on the internet but knowing they'll never change their mind.

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3. I find it somewhat entertaining and/or intellectually challenging trying to correct people who are wrong on the internet but knowing they'll never change their mind.

Oh yea? Because you're always right huh? Guess that's why you never answered my last post in the trucker convoy... you probably thought you're too good and smart to answer my probably stupid (in your mind), yet simple question...

[Inverted2]

It’s over but the government doesn’t want it to be over yet. They love the control. Plus they can’t remove all restrictions because it would make them look weak in regards to the protests. Narcissistic tyrants like Trudeau can’t be seen as week or bowing to the peasants.

[Impact]

It’s over but the government doesn’t want it to be over yet. They love the control. Plus they can’t remove all restrictions because it would make them look weak in regards to the protests. Narcissistic tyrants like Trudeau can’t be seen as week or bowing to the peasants.

With transparency comes enlightenment.

Personally, I don't think the C void thread should be closed. It needs to be kept open, not only for the purpose of educating people, but to draw out (through civil discourse and debate) all the petty arrogant tyrants. They need their noses rubbed into the reality that they've, whether intentional or not, targeted and stomped on the freedoms of their fellow Canadians. Never let tyrants think that they can get away it. Expose them, marginalize them, and let the chips fall where they may. They need to be taught a lesson.

They made a decision to side with a tyrant, and they must live with the consequences.

[pelmet]

Expose them, marginalize them, and let the chips fall where they may. They need to be taught a lesson.

Are you talking about the anti-vaxxers?

[WellThatAgedWell]

Expose them, marginalize them, and let the chips fall where they may. They need to be taught a lesson.

Are you talking about the anti-vaxxers?

Sure, expose them. Show us what data you got against them. I want to hear all about it. Be sure to finish all your posts with "And that's how they killed grandma"

[CpnCrunch]

3. I find it somewhat entertaining and/or intellectually challenging trying to correct people who are wrong on the internet but knowing they'll never change their mind.

Oh yea? Because you're always right huh? Guess that's why you never answered my last post in the trucker convoy... you probably thought you're too good and smart to answer my probably stupid (in your mind), yet simple question...

You asked "Will you still be wearing a mask once mask mandates get dropped everywhere?" and the answer is no to that. I didn't feel it was worth answering. Your problem is that you assume that everyone is a pro masker+convoy or anti masker+convoy. That's not how it works.

[WellThatAgedWell]

...Studies show that masks reduce infections by about 70%:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/f ... le/2776536

If that's the case, I don't know why we would drop mask policy. That is huge! Mask forever!

[Bingo Fuel]

Speaking only for myself, I believe the mandates have done their job.

If not for Omicron, I would have been more than comfortable removing mandates last fall, since we had reached an acceptable level of immunity through vaccination and exposure.

Unfortunately Omicron changed the math on that, and two vaccine doses had very little effectiveness. We needed to extend the mandates to buy time for third doses.

I believe everyone who wants their third dose either already has done so, or is getting it soon. There is also a high level of natural immunity from direct exposure to Omicron.

In my opinion, any mandates that require only two doses is next to worthless, so it's time to get rid of it and let the willfully unvaccinated deal with the consequences.

Everyone I care about has their booster. Some of my immunocompromised relatives even have their fourth dose. We're as protected as we can get.

The hospital system is in good shape, and people are as vaccinated as they're ever going to be.

Open it up, and let's see what happens. Oh, and maybe send some vaccines to developing countries, too.

[WellThatAgedWell]

Speaking only for myself, I believe the mandates have done their job.

If not for Omicron, I would have been more than comfortable removing mandates last fall, since we had reached an acceptable level of immunity through vaccination and exposure.

Unfortunately Omicron changed the math on that, and two vaccine doses had very little effectiveness. We needed to extend the mandates to buy time for third doses.

I believe everyone who wants their third dose either already has done so, or is getting it soon. There is also a high level of herd immunity from direct exposure to Omicron.

In my opinion, any mandates that require only two doses is next to worthless, so it's time to get rid of it and let the willfully unvaccinated deal with the consequences.

Everyone I care about has their booster. Some of my immunocompromised relatives even have their fourth dose. We're as protected as we can get.

The hospital system is in good shape, and people are as vaccinated as they're ever going to be.

Open it up, and let's see what happens.

This is interesting because I completely disagree.

The mandates were not effective against Delta, When omicron hit and was more transmissible it really just exposed how useless masking and lockdowns were. For example Canada banned flight from a few countries that had omicron cases climbing, and this appeared to have zero effect in slowing the spread. Within weeks Canada had more omicron than delta. The mandates were targeted at working age people, not the elderly. Getting thousands of 20-60 year old's vaccinated didn't save hospitals from filling up. If you wanted to reduce hospitalizations, vaccinate the elderly, vaccinate those at risk. That was never the mandate! How was this an effective policy? People 65 plus (the most at risk) never had a mandatory vaccine policy!

The vaccines were just as effective with delta as they are with omicron. These variants are all used in the media to hype misinformation and skew real data. Mass vaccination in Canada was only completed late summer 2021, As this is seasonal we did not even see the vaccine try the test of delta during a flu season and omicron took over by winter 2021/2022. This gives the illusion to many that vaccines were effective against delta but not against omicron... that's not that case. The vaccines are effective at protecting you from both strains. The key point that was misinformation was that vaccine don't prevent transmission and spread (like politicians said they would), they only protect the person who takes the vaccine. This was a political lie to coerce people to get vaccinated and create mandates. This was a huge lie and the reason I am not pro mandatory covid vaccine.

Here is another example of that. Texas dropped mask mandates in March while delta cases were already trending down. This was not evidence that masks do or do not work, its seasonal! Cases would drop with or without masking. Cases then rise with or without masking when new waves hit with seasonality.

With vaccines and booster, it all comes down to risk. A vax and booster 70 year old is at more risk to covid than an unvaccinated 30 year old. This whole vax movement is a joke because they don't talk about the real risks. They simply say we all need vaccines.

A huge way we are all misled is by using small blips of time to argue a narrative. Cases are dropping, or they are climbing and you say what policy you did where as "proof" it works. DeSantis said it best. "the science didn't change, the political science changed". Masks are just as effective against omicron as they are with delta and the original covid strain.

https://twitter.com/GovRonDeSantis/stat ... changed%2F

[Bingo Fuel]

I've seen data that says otherwise, and I choose to believe that data. I will not waste your time by showing it to you, because even if you read it, you will not believe it.

You keep on believing whatever you want.

Inevitably, mandates will end, and you can go around proclaiming you've won against the evil fascists, or whatever narrative you want to construct.

In the meantime, I'm finally off furlough, so I've got work to do.

Carry on with your sh*tposting, Montado.

[WellThatAgedWell]

I've seen data that says otherwise, and I choose to believe that data. I will not waste your time by showing it to you, because even if you read it, you will not believe it.

You keep on believing whatever you want.

Inevitably, mandates will end, and you can go around proclaiming you've won against the evil fascists, or whatever narrative you want to construct.

In the meantime, I'm finally off furlough, so I've got work to do.

Carry on with your sh*tposting, Montado.

I'm sorry you were furloughed, Welcome Back!

[Index]

3. I find it somewhat entertaining and/or intellectually challenging trying to correct people who are wrong on the internet but knowing they'll never change their mind.

Oh yea? Because you're always right huh? Guess that's why you never answered my last post in the trucker convoy... you probably thought you're too good and smart to answer my probably stupid (in your mind), yet simple question...

You asked "Will you still be wearing a mask once mask mandates get dropped everywhere?" and the answer is no to that. I didn't feel it was worth answering. Your problem is that you assume that everyone is a pro masker+convoy or anti masker+convoy. That's not how it works.

Why are you assuming that I automatically assume someone leans one way or the other? See this is the problem, people just automatically assume things without even knowing who they're talking to, aka resembling the "I'm always right mentality"... So thanks for proving my point

[Aviatard]

It’s over but the government doesn’t want it to be over yet. They love the control. Plus they can’t remove all restrictions because it would make them look weak in regards to the protests. Narcissistic tyrants like Trudeau can’t be seen as week or bowing to the peasants.

With transparency comes enlightenment.

Personally, I don't think the C void thread should be closed. It needs to be kept open, not only for the purpose of educating people, but to draw out (through civil discourse and debate) all the petty arrogant tyrants. They need their noses rubbed into the reality that they've, whether intentional or not, targeted and stomped on the freedoms of their fellow Canadians. Never let tyrants think that they can get away it. Expose them, marginalize them, and let the chips fall where they may. They need to be taught a lesson.

They made a decision to side with a tyrant, and they must live with the consequences.

But you’re a petty arrogant tyrant so how can this work?

[CpnCrunch]

Oh yea? Because you're always right huh? Guess that's why you never answered my last post in the trucker convoy... you probably thought you're too good and smart to answer my probably stupid (in your mind), yet simple question...

You asked "Will you still be wearing a mask once mask mandates get dropped everywhere?" and the answer is no to that. I didn't feel it was worth answering. Your problem is that you assume that everyone is a pro masker+convoy or anti masker+convoy. That's not how it works.

Why are you assuming that I automatically assume someone leans one way or the other? See this is the problem, people just automatically assume things without even knowing who they're talking to, aka resembling the "I'm always right mentality"... So thanks for proving my point

Yes, you're right, I shouldn't have assumed.

[Index]

I've seen data that says otherwise, and I choose to believe that data. I will not waste your time by showing it to you, because even if you read it, you will not believe it.

You keep on believing whatever you want.

Inevitably, mandates will end, and you can go around proclaiming you've won against the evil fascists, or whatever narrative you want to construct.

In the meantime, I'm finally off furlough, so I've got work to do.

Carry on with your sh*tposting, Montado.

I don't know what data you're reading

Hospitals have been over 100% capacity prior to covid, and was always in shambles, covid just proved how bad hospitals were here.. google icu full 20xx (whatever year you'd like pre covid) and you'll find tons of articles

Also, boosters don't do anything in terms of hospitalization... you're protection from hospitalization is almost the same with 2 doses, even 6 months after your second dose, and likely even farther beyond that, but more data is still needed since we have barely one year since the world started getting jabbed. Secondly, even the likes of WHO have said boosters aren't needed for young, healthy adults...

Here's 2 studies regarding boosters, one even funded by pfizer, which states the percentages of efficacy in terms of infection and hospitalization... the second comes from sweden; they include efficacy percentage for infection, not for chance of hospitalization, but do state that you're likely well protected even up to 9 months. ALSO, here's the caveat, these studies were primarily based on delta, which, was a deadlier variant then omicron

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... via%3Dihub

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanc ... 7/fulltext

and here's 2 other articles, one which has the WHO saying boosters aren't needed...

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/01/18/who ... sters.html

https://nationalpost.com/health/who-nee ... 9d7a3/amp/

I don't care what you or anybody else does in their personal life at the end of the day... if you want to get 12 booster shots, be my guest.

But, the biggest problem is the fact that those who so blindly follow main stream media and everything they say, completely forget how to use rationale, and to even search for things the contradict the mainstream... it's called CRITICAL THINKING, just because one data set says one thing, doesn't mean it's correct, there are MANY studies which contradict one another, and they come up with different numbers...

[digits_]

*starts a thread to close all COVID threads*

*amount of COVID threads increased by 1*

[CpnCrunch]

and here's 2 other articles, one which has the WHO saying boosters aren't needed...

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/01/18/who ... sters.html

https://nationalpost.com/health/who-nee ... 9d7a3/amp/

Did you even bother spending 2 seconds reading those articles? Even the title of the first article contradicts what you say...

[Aviatard]

and here's 2 other articles, one which has the WHO saying boosters aren't needed...

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/01/18/who ... sters.html

https://nationalpost.com/health/who-nee ... 9d7a3/amp/

Did you even bother spending 2 seconds reading those articles? Even the title of the first article contradicts what you say...

Does this surprise you? Conservatives can’t stop spreading bullshit.