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Truckers Convoy Has Resulted in Canadian Democratic Credibility Now Being Rated as Zero


The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has also suggested that the federal government has not met the threshold necessary to declare a public order emergency, given it allows it to bypass the courts.

“We are faced with the spectre of thousands of people being directly impacted by emergency orders that are not subject to warrants or judicial oversight,” said Abby Deshman, director of the CCLA’s criminal justice division.

“I don’t pretend to know everything the federal government knows, but what I do know is that we need to live in a country that accepts and embraces protests, even disruptive ones. … That is what it means to live in a democracy.”

Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland was explicit that the new provisions would allow banks to freeze or suspend accounts held by anyone involved in the blockades without a court order. “This is about following the money,” she said, adding corporate accounts of complicit truck owners would be frozen and their insurance suspended.

Such extreme measures have already dented Canada’s democratic credentials overseas. Nayib Bukele, El Salvador’s right-wing populist president, tweeted that Canada’s credibility as a democracy “is now worth zero.”

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/j ... li=AAggFp5

Trudeau brought this all on himself.


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Raymond J. de Souza: Invoking the Emergencies Act is the logical conclusion of Trudeau's government by decree
Father Raymond J. de Souza 4 hrs ago


So emaciated is the state of Canadian democracy that the declaration of the Emergencies Act — formerly known as martial law in the time of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s father — might be an improvement.

The Emergencies Act requires Parliament to vote within seven days. After two years of being governed by press conference, with fundamental liberties withdrawn by the simple fiat of a first minister or chief medical officer, a vote in Parliament seems boldly innovative, just like it did back in Queen Victoria’s time.

Perhaps Trudeau boned up on history during his recent COVID isolation, watching those cute “Heritage Minutes” about the “Canadian idea” of responsible government , the executive being held accountable to Parliament by constitutional convention.

Recall that the pandemic prime minister governed for more than a year without proposing a budget to Parliament, which, unlike liquor stores, was not considered an essential service. Even more, he proposed governance by decree entirely — irresponsible government? — until his naked power grab was exposed and the putative emperor had to put his clothes back on.

This time, we shall have a vote in Parliament and the NDP, which distinguished itself by opposing Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau’s declaration of martial law in 1970 — in the face of prevailing public opinion — has indicated that it will side with the government. Progressives in 1970 were made of sterner stuff.

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Thus the emergency powers will likely get parliamentary approbation, and Canada will become the first democracy to suspend normal governance in order to enable a forlorn and feckless — and now former — police chief to commandeer tow trucks. Should the prime minister’s motorcade have a dead battery during a cold snap, will he employ the Emergencies Act to commandeer the CAA to give him a boost?

It is all quite ridiculous. Like so much of the past two years, it is unnecessary public theatre. The prime minister conceded as much when he said, “This is about keeping Canadians safe, protecting people’s jobs and restoring confidence in our institutions.”

The last part gives it away. Just as his father declared martial law principally to strike a mighty blow for the federal government against Quebec separatism — civil liberties be damned — this latest manoeuvre is to restore confidence in the federal government, or more particularly, the prime minister. A political emergency for him now constitutes an emergency for the country.

“The scope of these measures will be time limited, geographically targeted, as well as reasonable and proportionate to the threats they are meant to address,” Trudeau said with a straight face, nearly two years after the first “time-limited” and “proportionate” pandemic measures were introduced.

He seems blithely unaware that the proximate cause of the convoy was a vaccine mandate that was wildly disproportionate, in an industry in which 90 per cent of truckers are already vaccinated and spend more time alone than practically any other profession.

The Emergencies Act is a fitting denouement, after two years of incompetence and overreach, to our national pandemic pantomime. Canadians have been forbidden from travelling to their own homes in the Maritimes. Cathedrals that can comfortably seat 2,000 were limited to five people.

How did we get here? The curtain on pandemic theatre rose just days after the Indigenous blockades of pipeline work sites and railways in February 2020. In response to that, federal and provincial ministers quickly concluded a deal to hand over new authority to the Wetʼsuwetʼen hereditary chiefs in northern British Columbia. The elected chiefs were cut out of the negotiations. The trucker convoy took note.

The next great scene of pandemic theater featured the Black Lives Matter protests, in which all social distancing and public gathering rules were cast aside. The prime minister even took a cameo knee. Canadians who were told to “follow the science” took note that political science seemed to be the better lens through which to look.

All the while, Canada’s leadership class developed new habits. Gone was a democratic respect for dissenting views and discordant voices. Instead there were decrees without reasonable explanation, and disparagement and disdain for any who disagreed.

Two years of delivering diktats by press conference on whether grandchildren could visit grandma in her rural farmhouse, whether a single mother would lose her job as a waitress or whether a man might kneel before God alone in a church — all this ingrained in our leaders some bad habits.

They lost the habits of democracy, which are more than just laws and processes. So when the truckers came, the default setting was to greet them with disgust, dealing them a double portion of derision and disparagement. Not surprisingly, it didn’t work.

Having shed the habits of democracy, the formal instrument to suspend normal democratic operations is now being invoked. It is supremely fitting, if more than a little farcical, as capital-E “emergency measures” are being declared at precisely the same time as most of the previous emergency measures are being lifted.

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Is it mischievous to explain Trudeau père et fils by reference to Karl Marx’s observation that history is first a tragedy and then repeated as farce? The tragedy was Trudeau 1970, the farce is Trudeau 2022.



Please come back with a reasonable explanation for what our PM has done. I would really like to hear it folks.

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Just imagine if the cops… actually did their jobs in the first place.

Not necessarily arrests.. but crowd control and deterrence. Like they did in Toronto.


All across my social media feeds “nOw ThEy CaN sEiZe YoUr BaNk AcCoUnTs!!!!!!1!!”

You mean like Civil Forfeiture? That’s been around for a long time, doesn’t require a conviction, and has a lot of case precedence supporting it even though it’s flirting dangerously with being unconstitutional. Why get paranoid now?
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‘Bob’ wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 12:19 pm Just imagine if the cops… actually did their jobs in the first place.

Not necessarily arrests.. but crowd control and deterrence. Like they did in Toronto.


All across my social media feeds “nOw ThEy CaN sEiZe YoUr BaNk AcCoUnTs!!!!!!1!!”

You mean like Civil Forfeiture? That’s been around for a long time, doesn’t require a conviction, and has a lot of case precedence supporting it even though it’s flirting dangerously with being unconstitutional. Why get paranoid now?
The government keeps reiterating it's not their place to tell the police how to do their jobs.

That applies to pilots too who don't know the first thing...about much except being a pilot.
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Now the CBC is slamming everyone who wants to talk with their MP.

Apparently we are ALL abusive and screaming, racist homophobic misogynists

Liars. Fake News Media.

I had one 40 min conversation with my MP's chief of staff, then another that long with my MP.

I recall both being rather pleasant, and I didn't vote for them. Too bad the Media can't report that.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/london/r ... -1.6353480
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The funny thing is Trudope is just pouring fuel on the fire and inciting more to show up in Ottawa. Many of the police side with the protesters anyway. The news showed several guys towing wagons with diesel cans today right past the cops. :lol:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz-GrEc5Kv0

@PierrePoilievre
A new low, even for Trudeau: he falsely accuses a Jewish MP and descendent of holocaust survivors of standing with people who wave swastikas. She did not.

Enough lying and dividing.

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rookiepilot wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:43 pm Why are you all standing with this PM
We don’t necessarily stand with this PM.

We stand for the Peace and Order portion of our system.


Meanwhile, another convoy stopped. Arrests, charges, and seizures ongoing.
https://windsor.ctvnews.ca/suspected-co ... -1.5783946
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pelmet wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:53 pm
rookiepilot wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:43 pm Why are you all standing with this PM
We don’t necessarily stand with this PM.
Don’t doublespeak.

Many of you — You sure do.

And those of you who do, support a PM who seems to have no problem with anti-semitism in his comments.
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Meanwhile……

“The emergency orders direct financial institutions to suspend services to both individual and business clients who they suspect are aiding the blockades.

They also require the institutions to conduct due diligence to identify accounts linked to the protests, and to disclose to the RCMP or CSIS any property or transactions they have identified as owned or controlled by those designated people.

Banks have been given protection from civil liabilities for actions done in following the orders
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Hope you didn’t donate any money, you might have some……splainin to do.
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rookiepilot wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:57 pm
pelmet wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:53 pm
rookiepilot wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:43 pm Why are you all standing with this PM
We don’t necessarily stand with this PM.
You sure do.

And those of you who do, stand for anti-semitism.
You are a strange man Rookie. This whole tirade of yours started with you being upset at the typical disgusting racism chants from the left at anyone who disagrees with them….a reasonable opinion to have.

But it morphed into outright support for an outright economic blockade on the citizens of Canada and damn the consequences on even the potentially millions of people who might agree with your reason for being upset.

Now you have become like the people you originally upset with.

I suggest trying to be a little more logical.
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rookiepilot wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 1:32 pm Now the CBC is slamming everyone who wants to talk with their MP.

Apparently we are ALL abusive and screaming, racist homophobic misogynists

Liars. Fake News Media.

I had one 40 min conversation with my MP's chief of staff, then another that long with my MP.

I recall both being rather pleasant, and I didn't vote for them. Too bad the Media can't report that.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/london/r ... -1.6353480
Were you vile and did you engage in "bullying, berating staff"? If not, I suspect they're not talking about you.
I wonder if you can believe that there are some people who might do that.

What would you have written in the article?
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This seems nice. Now every donor (i am not one) is being doxxed and threatened.

Wonder who facilitated this hack? Hmmmmm.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/sabrin ... -dangerous.

I wrote my MP just now again a follow up letter:

Dear —

I endorsed the emergencies act (in a prior email) introduced by the government to ensure security from the minority of radical participants, with the understanding it would be combined with an olive branch and lowering of the temperature.

This is not happening. Demonizing of small donors, (I am not one of these) is not constructive. A sledgehammer approach will not bring peace and unity along with the required security. People will become more marginalized, more radical.

I have seen the PM in the house, and his exchange today with the Jewish MP.

Plainly said — enough of this division. Sincerely! Let’s heal our nation.

This is all making me VERY concerned. Please pass along my thoughts.

Kind regards

In my prior email;

Thank you for arranging that call. I believe it was positive and productive.

As a follow up idea to pass along: I believe it would be an excellent time for the PM to address the nation in a formal TV broadcast, as a bridge building and vision casting opportunity. That is what I would advise, were I in a position of influence.

— sincerely. (He did not effectively do this)
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photofly wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:27 pm
rookiepilot wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 1:32 pm Now the CBC is slamming everyone who wants to talk with their MP.

Apparently we are ALL abusive and screaming, racist homophobic misogynists

Liars. Fake News Media.

I had one 40 min conversation with my MP's chief of staff, then another that long with my MP.

I recall both being rather pleasant, and I didn't vote for them. Too bad the Media can't report that.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/london/r ... -1.6353480
Were you vile and did you engage in "bullying, berating staff"? If not, I suspect they're not talking about you.
I wonder if you can believe that there are some people who might do that.

What would you have written in the article?
I know there are many that are nasty. My MP told me as much.

They also told me she had many respectful conversations like mine, and she appreciated my words. Why can’t those positive dialogs be highlighted too?

Because the CBC spreads toxic waste.
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Re: Truckers Convoy has led to a lot more abusive calls to MPs.

Hey MPs - you have some very angry people out there that are so frustrated with your dismissal of them that I think you all need to think about THE REASON you are getting these abusive calls.

Your miserable excuses for not standing up for the Constitution and Charter of Rights is exactly why these people are in your face.

The statement below from the link posted is exactly why your constituents - no actually your people- have had it with the nice talk.

"I think everybody is being brushed with the same brush. That we're all just politicians".


Yes you are all just politicians and if you stand for tyranny then expect freedom loving citizens to come at you.

You have a choice MPs - listen, de-escalate if you want, escalate if you want, and hang up if you need to. Exactly the same choice I have when I get a scammer call.
As always - YOUR CHOICE - so quit your whining.

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Calling Out The Banks That Have Been Freezing Accounts - Despicable but Not Unexpected.



So far I have seen the TD Bank

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHigMn5jnds

And The Bank Of Montreal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoG57cr1w7w


Remember people you have FREE CHOICE as to which institution you want to do your banking with.


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Hi-Lighter wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:54 pm Calling Out The Banks That Have Been Freezing Accounts



So far I have seen the TD Bank

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHigMn5jnds

And The Bank Of Montreal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoG57cr1w7w


Remember people you have choice as to which institution you want to do your banking with.


Stay safe.
They'll all be freezing accounts. Maybe try crypto but even that seems to be followable by the US government now. One could move to a life of bartering.
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At least one outlet would carry this story.

The Communist Broadcasting Company refused.

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What a pathetic excuse for a leader. Calling everyone who doesn’t agree with him Nazis. :roll:
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Inverted2 wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 6:02 pm What a pathetic excuse for a leader. Calling everyone who doesn’t agree with him Nazis. :roll:
So are those on this board defending him. Had it with the lot of you.
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Interesting Alternative Media Clip


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCJHgrYa_NY


Make your own decision on the truth.

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Looks like the MyPillow guy was trying to get ten thousand pillows through to the convoys.

https://westernstandardonline.com/2022/ ... -truckers/
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You mean like this:

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No swastika to see there. I must just be hallucinating from watching too much CNN according to Rookie.
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@ CpnCrunch -- Re: above photo of flag


Source Please???????

It is common courtesy to identify the source when posting.

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I did a quick search - was this photo taken Jan. 27, 2022 - the day before the truckers convoy arrived in Ottawa on the 28 Jan?
If it was part of the Trucker Protest why didn't mainstream media report it?? - Or was this the one that appeared for a few moments only to be shuttered by the surrounding decent bystanders. You know the one mainstream media has been shoving down everyone's' throat for the last 3 weeks??

Maybe because it would be a big stretch to connect this other protest (As reprehensible as it was) as a part of the Trucker Convoy???

Quote from source:

"It would be easy to dismiss those in the crowd flying a flag of hate as an “isolated incident,” or “radical plants” to take away from the protests’ core messages. The truth is that small numbers of radical haters are not the real issue. What concerns me most is the silence and passivity of other protesters who saw the Nazi symbols and said and did nothing. No media footage seems to exist of any attempts to remove these reprehensible symbols. The silence was deafening."


Here is the only source that I could find:

https://thecjn.ca/perspectives/swastika ... ederation/


Again - you can believe what you want.

- One of the interesting things is that if these guys in the convoy are such radicals why haven't we seen more flags like this??

- Possibly because they just like you are seriously offended by anyone flying that flag.


This is "OLD NEWS" - get over it my friend.

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