‘Bob’ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 20, 2022 8:47 am
Just the kind of train wrecks you’d expect to see responsible for this idiocy.
Tamara Lich and her husband both work in oil and gas yet have no savings and 80 some odd thousand in debt against depreciating assets. I seriously doubt they were intelligent enough to hide assets.
I read somewhere that she asked if a chequing account counted as savings, when queried about the ability to pay a $5000 bail bond if breached.
Husband arrived by private jet offered by a “very nice gentleman” and was a “miracle”.
He thought that the protest was legal under “first amendment rights”. (No American influence there.. lol)
rookiepilot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 20, 2022 9:06 am
Rapists and child abusers get bail in Canada, but not for Tamara Lich, LOL.
Alleged rapists, and alleged child abusers.
I didn’t realize Tamara Lich had been convicted of anything.
“The Crown is arguing against bail for Tamara Lich, saying she's already proven she has no respect for the law”
Oh yeah.
Only child rapists are entitled to bail and a fair trial, right?
“ Mountie charged in notorious child-abuse case freed on bail
A Mountie accused of abusing two children, including an 11-year-old boy he allegedly kept shackled in the basement of an Ottawa home, has been released on bail.”
Sun, February 20, 2022, 2:00 a.m. What you need to know about mischief charges and the Ottawa protests
VANCOUVER — Some of the most high-profile organizers of protests against government and COVID-19 mandates in Ottawa are facing charges that include mischief and counselling to commit mischief. What does that actually mean? Here's a look at the significance of mischief charges and the consequences the people charged may face:
What is a mischief charge?
A mischief charge under the Criminal Code is extremely flexible, covering a wide range of possible offences from interfering with computer data to mischief endangering life or causing death.
The most common use of mischief in the context of protests relates to interference with someone's rights either to work or access property or tools, said Martin Peters, a Vancouver criminal lawyer.
What is counselling to commit mischief?
Counselling involves leading or telling someone to commit mischief.
What are the consequences of conviction?
Kicking a wall could result in a fine, while mischief to a war memorial or blocking significant portions of downtown could see up to 10 years of jail time, Toronto criminal lawyer Karen McArthur said.
In the most severe cases the maximum sentence is life imprisonment, Peters said.
While Peters said counselling to commit mischief should carry similar consequences to mischief itself, McArthur said this case could see prosecutors push for harsher penalties.
The counselling charge could be taken more seriously, as it puts organizers like Tamara Lich and Chris Barber in a leadership role of "an organization that had lots of tentacles," she said.
How does one typically argue for or against a mischief charge?
The case is typically a four-step process, according to McArthur. First the accused is charged, then the accused asserts his or her charter rights to free expression and peaceful assembly. Then the Crown would argue why those rights don't trump all others and then a judge would make a ruling.
How significant are these charges?
The very fact of being charged starts a process where a judge can set terms by which individuals are obligated to comply, as has been seen in other protests, Peters said.
"The charges are not that significant. Mischief to property is a pretty low-level crime and carries with it pretty low-level sanctions. But once the police are able to charge, then they are able to arrest and detain," he said. At a bail hearing, a judge can add further stipulations, such as "get out of town," Peters said.
This report by The Canadian Press was first published Feb. 20, 2022.
SRV wrote: ↑Sat Feb 19, 2022 11:22 am
"Many view ‘black friend defense’ as a tired, hollow argument". Ask your friend that you call 'black' how they feel about it, it's called empathy.
In my experience the very worst sort of hypocritical racists, are those that lecture on racism.
You guys seem pretty good at it.
Our universities and parliament are full of such people.
It’s all about divide and conquer. Race is the ultimate tool of division; we are all genetically programmed to have some degree of xenophobia. What we are seeing now is the radical elements within our society, (BLM), use race to build a political power base. No different than the KKK and the Nazis.
SRV wrote: ↑Sun Feb 20, 2022 9:33 am
Sun, February 20, 2022, 2:00 a.m. What you need to know about mischief charges and the Ottawa protests
VANCOUVER — Some of the most high-profile organizers of protests against government and COVID-19 mandates in Ottawa are facing charges that include mischief and counselling to commit mischief. What does that actually mean? Here's a look at the significance of mischief charges and the consequences the people charged may face:
What is a mischief charge?
A mischief charge under the Criminal Code is extremely flexible, covering a wide range of possible offences from interfering with computer data to mischief endangering life or causing death.
The most common use of mischief in the context of protests relates to interference with someone's rights either to work or access property or tools, said Martin Peters, a Vancouver criminal lawyer.
What is counselling to commit mischief?
Counselling involves leading or telling someone to commit mischief.
What are the consequences of conviction?
Kicking a wall could result in a fine, while mischief to a war memorial or blocking significant portions of downtown could see up to 10 years of jail time, Toronto criminal lawyer Karen McArthur said.
In the most severe cases the maximum sentence is life imprisonment, Peters said.
While Peters said counselling to commit mischief should carry similar consequences to mischief itself, McArthur said this case could see prosecutors push for harsher penalties.
The counselling charge could be taken more seriously, as it puts organizers like Tamara Lich and Chris Barber in a leadership role of "an organization that had lots of tentacles," she said.
Wow. Life in Jail. The Police Officer I referenced earlier got 15 years. Argued for 5. Wonder if he’s out on bail already.
I didn’t realize Tamara Lich had been convicted of anything.
I didn't say she had been.
Only child rapists are entitled to bail and a fair trial, right?
Nobody said that, either.
She's entitled to apply for bail under the same conditions as anyone else. You really are the master of false equivalences.
The Crown just said this! No respect for the law? Neither do I, on the 407.
I’ve quoted facts and statements right from the horses mouth. Read the factual quotes I added to my post.
If I lied, please show me.
I don’t think you understand the adversarial Justice system we have in Canada. The crown doesn’t have to be impartial. The crown routinely says all manner of horrible things about people, every day. It’s their job. Just like the defence says all manner of lovely things about exactly the same people.
It’s the court’s job to be impartial and to see justice is done. Not the crown prosecutor’s.
Moreover, the crown didn’t say she wasn’t entitled to apply for bail, nor that she wasn’t entitled to a fair trial.
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DId you hear the one about the jurisprudence fetishist? He got off on a technicality.
Black Lives Matter (BLM) is a decentralized political and social movement that seeks to highlight racism, discrimination, and inequality experienced by black people. When its supporters come together, they do so primarily to protest incidents of police brutality and racially motivated violence against black people.
kkk: The Ku Klux Klan (/ˌkuː klʌks ˈklæn, ˌkjuː-/), commonly shortened to the KKK or the Klan, is an American white supremacist terrorist and hate group whose primary targets are African Americans, Jews, Latinos, Asian Americans, Catholics, Native Americans[25][26] as well as immigrants, leftists, homosexuals, Muslims, and atheists.[27][28][29]
nazi:Nazism is a form of fascism,[2][3][4][5] with disdain for liberal democracy and the parliamentary system. It incorporates fervent antisemitism, anti-communism, scientific racism, and the use of eugenics into its creed. Its extreme nationalism originated in pan-Germanism and the ethno-nationalist neopagan Völkisch movement which had been a prominent aspect of German nationalism since the late 19th century, and it was strongly influenced by the Freikorps paramilitary groups that emerged after Germany's defeat in World War I, from which came the party's underlying "cult of violence".[6] Nazism subscribed to pseudo-scientific theories of a racial hierarchy[7] and social Darwinism, identifying the Germans as a part of what the Nazis regarded as an Aryan or Nordic master race.[8] It aimed to overcome social divisions and create a homogeneous German society based on racial purity which represented a people's community (Volksgemeinschaft). The Nazis aimed to unite all Germans living in historically German territory, as well as gain additional lands for German expansion under the doctrine of Lebensraum and exclude those whom they deemed either Community Aliens or "inferior" races.
Nope, BLM nothing like the other options. I choose BLM anyday. How about you?
photofly wrote: ↑Sun Feb 20, 2022 9:23 am
I didn't say she had been.
Nobody said that, either.
She's entitled to apply for bail under the same conditions as anyone else. You really are the master of false equivalences.
The Crown just said this! No respect for the law? Neither do I, on the 407.
I’ve quoted facts and statements right from the horses mouth. Read the factual quotes I added to my post.
If I lied, please show me.
I don’t think you understand the adversarial Justice system we have in Canada. The crown doesn’t have to be impartial. The crown routinely says all manner of horrible things about people, every day. It’s their job. Just like the defence says all manner of lovely things about exactly the same people.
It’s the court’s job to be impartial and to see justice is done. Not the crown prosecutor’s.
Moreover, the crown didn’t say she wasn’t entitled to apply for bail, nor that she wasn’t entitled to a fair trial.
How does she have a fair ability to apply for bail, or have the money for a fair trial, when all of her financial accounts have been frozen?
Do child rapists have their bank accounts frozen?
“Crown attorney Moiz Karimjee focused on both Lich and her husband Dwayne's ability to pay a proposed $5,000 bond if Lich breached any conditions the judge may impose.”
Course she can’t. Her accounts are frozen.
Is this “fair and impartial” ?
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Aviatard wrote: ↑Sun Feb 20, 2022 8:26 am
FOD did not say that. You lied and changed the words. Lying doesn’t help your cause. Dick move, dude.
Mad Libs Rule
Useful Idiots aren’t capable of independent thought. They are programmed to regurgitate their absurd talking points over and over. Cut and paste nonsense from their Useful Idiot hand book. Not surprising that the best retort it could come up with was to copy and edit someone else’s work. Typical of the class of meat puppet it is.
Definition of name-calling
: the use of offensive names especially to win an argument or to induce rejection or condemnation (as of a person or project) without objective consideration of the facts.
The right vote is so split there is little chance something like this will ever help the National party. Not very good 'thinking things through' processes built in. But very good if you enjoy watching self destruction in real time. It's a meltdown.
The Crown just said this! No respect for the law? Neither do I, on the 407.
I’ve quoted facts and statements right from the horses mouth. Read the factual quotes I added to my post.
If I lied, please show me.
I don’t think you understand the adversarial Justice system we have in Canada. The crown doesn’t have to be impartial. The crown routinely says all manner of horrible things about people, every day. It’s their job. Just like the defence says all manner of lovely things about exactly the same people.
It’s the court’s job to be impartial and to see justice is done. Not the crown prosecutor’s.
Moreover, the crown didn’t say she wasn’t entitled to apply for bail, nor that she wasn’t entitled to a fair trial.
How does she have a fair ability to apply for bail, or have the money for a fair trial, when all of her financial accounts have been frozen?
Do child rapists have their bank accounts frozen?
“Crown attorney Moiz Karimjee focused on both Lich and her husband Dwayne's ability to pay a proposed $5,000 bond if Lich breached any conditions the judge may impose.”
photofly wrote: ↑Sun Feb 20, 2022 9:41 am
I don’t think you understand the adversarial Justice system we have in Canada. The crown doesn’t have to be impartial. The crown routinely says all manner of horrible things about people, every day. It’s their job. Just like the defence says all manner of lovely things about exactly the same people.
It’s the court’s job to be impartial and to see justice is done. Not the crown prosecutor’s.
Moreover, the crown didn’t say she wasn’t entitled to apply for bail, nor that she wasn’t entitled to a fair trial.
How does she have a fair ability to apply for bail, or have the money for a fair trial, when all of her financial accounts have been frozen?
Do child rapists have their bank accounts frozen?
“Crown attorney Moiz Karimjee focused on both Lich and her husband Dwayne's ability to pay a proposed $5,000 bond if Lich breached any conditions the judge may impose.”
Which do I believe?
(I remain a supporter of our very professional police forces in Ontario)
Ottawa Police @OttawaPolice
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Please note: No one has been seriously injured or passed away in any of today's police actions. Safety is our priority.
Ottawa Police @OttawaPolice
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We hear your concern for people on the ground after the horses dispersed a crowd. Anyone who fell got up and walked away. We're unaware of any injuries. A bicycle was thrown at the horse further down the line and caused the horse to trip. The horse was uninjured.
The Special Investigations Unit (SIU) says that 5:14 p.m. on on Friday, a Toronto police officer on horseback made contact with a 49-year-old woman at Rideau Street and Mackenzie Avenue, north of the Senate of Canada building and east of the Chateau Laurier Hotel.
The SIU says the woman suffered a serious injury in the encounter.
photofly wrote: ↑Sun Feb 20, 2022 9:41 am
I don’t think you understand the adversarial Justice system we have in Canada. The crown doesn’t have to be impartial. The crown routinely says all manner of horrible things about people, every day. It’s their job. Just like the defence says all manner of lovely things about exactly the same people.
It’s the court’s job to be impartial and to see justice is done. Not the crown prosecutor’s.
Moreover, the crown didn’t say she wasn’t entitled to apply for bail, nor that she wasn’t entitled to a fair trial.
How does she have a fair ability to apply for bail, or have the money for a fair trial, when all of her financial accounts have been frozen?
Do child rapists have their bank accounts frozen?
“Crown attorney Moiz Karimjee focused on both Lich and her husband Dwayne's ability to pay a proposed $5,000 bond if Lich breached any conditions the judge may impose.”
Course she can’t. Her accounts are frozen.
Is this “fair and impartial” ?
Silence is agreement.
I’m out with the family on a sunny family day weekend. I can answer you later.
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DId you hear the one about the jurisprudence fetishist? He got off on a technicality.
rookiepilot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:00 am
How does she have a fair ability to apply for bail, or have the money for a fair trial, when all of her financial accounts have been frozen?
Do child rapists have their bank accounts frozen?
“Crown attorney Moiz Karimjee focused on both Lich and her husband Dwayne's ability to pay a proposed $5,000 bond if Lich breached any conditions the judge may impose.”
Course she can’t. Her accounts are frozen.
Is this “fair and impartial” ?
I guess she'll have to borrow the bail money from someone, if she's granted bail on bond. Maybe the guy with the jet who flew her husband in will help - who knows. I'm finding it difficult to summon a lot of sympathy for her, unfortunately.
What I actually think is that to expect someone to openly campaign for and receive millions of dollars, much from foreign countries, to fund a subversive and seditious campaign to bring down a democratic government and then not get some fairly tough treatment at the end of it, is way way beyond naïve.
How did she honestly expect this was going to end? To me, everything seems to be happening in a very please-thank-you-and-sorry Canadian way. In many countries she'd be reading with dilated eyes her forced confession on the nine o'clock news, or else there'd be a bullet put through her head by now. Thank god for Canada.
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DId you hear the one about the jurisprudence fetishist? He got off on a technicality.
rookiepilot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:00 am
How does she have a fair ability to apply for bail, or have the money for a fair trial, when all of her financial accounts have been frozen?
Do child rapists have their bank accounts frozen?
“Crown attorney Moiz Karimjee focused on both Lich and her husband Dwayne's ability to pay a proposed $5,000 bond if Lich breached any conditions the judge may impose.”
Course she can’t. Her accounts are frozen.
Is this “fair and impartial” ?
I guess she'll have to borrow the bail money from someone, if she's granted bail on bond. Maybe the guy with the jet who flew her husband in will help - who knows. I'm finding it difficult to summon a lot of sympathy for her, unfortunately.
What I actually think is that to expect someone to openly campaign for and receive millions of dollars, much from foreign countries, to fund a subversive and seditious campaign to bring down a democratic government and then not get some fairly tough treatment at the end of it, is way way beyond naïve.
How did she honestly expect this was going to end? To me, everything seems to be happening in a very please-thank-you-and-sorry Canadian way. In many countries she'd be reading with dilated eyes her forced confession on the nine o'clock news, or else there'd be a bullet put through her head by now. Thank god for Canada.
It’s not about sympathy. I’m speaking to a principle that governs our justice system.
It’s that the rule of law should apply to Tamara equally to an accused child rapist or anyone else, with rights and protections that can’t be changed by governments without oversight.
Otherwise we are the USA, torturing “enemy combatants” to get around the Geneva convention applying to POW’s.
rookiepilot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:00 am
How does she have a fair ability to apply for bail, or have the money for a fair trial, when all of her financial accounts have been frozen?
Do child rapists have their bank accounts frozen?
“Crown attorney Moiz Karimjee focused on both Lich and her husband Dwayne's ability to pay a proposed $5,000 bond if Lich breached any conditions the judge may impose.”
Course she can’t. Her accounts are frozen.
Is this “fair and impartial” ?
I guess she'll have to borrow the bail money from someone, if she's granted bail on bond. Maybe the guy with the jet who flew her husband in will help - who knows. I'm finding it difficult to summon a lot of sympathy for her, unfortunately.
What I actually think is that to expect someone to openly campaign for and receive millions of dollars, much from foreign countries, to fund a subversive and seditious campaign to bring down a democratic government and then not get some fairly tough treatment at the end of it, is way way beyond naïve.
How did she honestly expect this was going to end? To me, everything seems to be happening in a very please-thank-you-and-sorry Canadian way. In many countries she'd be reading with dilated eyes her forced confession on the nine o'clock news, or else there'd be a bullet put through her head by now. Thank god for Canada.
It’s not about sympathy. I’m speaking to a principle that governs our justice system.
It’s that the rule of law should apply to Tamara equally to an accused child rapist or anyone else, with rights and protections that can’t be changed by governments without oversight.
Otherwise we are the USA, torturing “enemy combatants” to get around the Geneva convention applying to POW’s.
Wrong then, wrong now.
It was Government subject to oversight that created the laws that have been used to end the occupation, so that seems to take some of the wind out of the sails of your complaint, to me. I also expect she'll get bail on much better terms than an alleged child rapist would.
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photofly wrote: ↑Sun Feb 20, 2022 2:25 pm
I guess she'll have to borrow the bail money from someone, if she's granted bail on bond. Maybe the guy with the jet who flew her husband in will help - who knows. I'm finding it difficult to summon a lot of sympathy for her, unfortunately.
What I actually think is that to expect someone to openly campaign for and receive millions of dollars, much from foreign countries, to fund a subversive and seditious campaign to bring down a democratic government and then not get some fairly tough treatment at the end of it, is way way beyond naïve.
How did she honestly expect this was going to end? To me, everything seems to be happening in a very please-thank-you-and-sorry Canadian way. In many countries she'd be reading with dilated eyes her forced confession on the nine o'clock news, or else there'd be a bullet put through her head by now. Thank god for Canada.
It’s not about sympathy. I’m speaking to a principle that governs our justice system.
It’s that the rule of law should apply to Tamara equally to an accused child rapist or anyone else, with rights and protections that can’t be changed by governments without oversight.
Otherwise we are the USA, torturing “enemy combatants” to get around the Geneva convention applying to POW’s.
Wrong then, wrong now.
It was Government subject to oversight that created the laws that have been used to end the occupation, so that seems to take some of the wind out of the sails of your complaint, to me. I also expect she'll get bail on much better terms than an alleged child rapist would.
The emergencies act hasn’t been passed yet, so hence the comment on oversight.
Intentionally or not, i think the whole point has been missed, let’s leave it there.
Mad Libs Rule 
