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So it's been 5 months since that tool Trevor Jacobs jumped out of a light airplane. Now we have these 2 losers performing this stunt which involves switching airplanes mid-air. I think stunts like these are extremely unprofessional, very dangerous, and give aviation a poor image. Aviation is NOT about chasing social clout.

The FAA has already revoked Trevor Jacobs license and I hope the same happens to these 2 Fucking Losers.

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I have no rebuttal. That's spot on.
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I think there is a big difference between a guy lying on youtube for likes vs a company trying to do an aviation stunt. The first one is disgusting, the last one fits in the 'airshow' category for me.
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piperdriver wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 10:52 am
So it's been 5 months since that tool Trevor Jacobs jumped out of a light airplane. Now we have these 2 losers performing this stunt which involves switching airplanes mid-air. I think stunts like these are extremely unprofessional, very dangerous, and give aviation a poor image. Aviation is NOT about chasing social clout.

The FAA has already revoked Trevor Jacobs license and I hope the same happens to these 2 Fucking Losers.

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Agreed Piperdriver,

I have read that the two C182 wasters applied to the FAA for authorization to fly this ridiculous stunt, were told no, and flew it anyway. It was a ridiculous use of two airplanes, even with permission and success. The public, seeing such silly displays, cannot think much of those of us who fly responsibly. This stupidity gives aviation a bad name.
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PilotDAR wrote: applied to the FAA for authorization to fly this ridiculous stunt, were told no, and flew it anyway.
This is the most ridiculous part, and guarantees the FAA will take action. I would expect asking for an exemption, not getting it, then doing this stunt anyway is going to have more consequences than the Taylorcraft being crashed for likes.
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I'm a bit surprised that Redbull allowed their name/brand to be associated with this "stunt" once the FAA had deemed it as unauthorized
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elonmusk wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2022 6:51 am
This was a planned "stunt" in a closed area. Not even close to the same situation you numpty.
Another waste of a perfectly good aircraft.

How do you know they ensured the area was closed?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI7hTc5BUa0




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This type of social media sensationalism has no place in aviation. Sadly these 2 clowns will likely make money from the whole thing even after paying for wasting 2 planes. FAA told them no, pull their license for good as it was a direct disobedience of the ruling. We need to end this type of recklessness and image in "sport" aviation.
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Stunts like this are akin the self abuse in a house of ill repute: you can do it, but what's the point...?

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JasonE wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2022 9:01 am This type of social media sensationalism has no place in aviation. Sadly these 2 clowns will likely make money from the whole thing even after paying for wasting 2 planes. FAA told them no, pull their license for good as it was a direct disobedience of the ruling. We need to end this type of recklessness and image in "sport" aviation.
Only one plane was wrecked I believe.

Just because the FAA said no, doesn't mean it is illegal per se. It likely was an easy attempt to avoid further issues, but that doesn't mean that what they did was illegal. It's just extremely more likely courts will be involved to decide if it was indeed (il)legal.


Does anyone have any actual source about what precisely they applied for, and what the factual FAA response was?
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digits_ wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2022 10:15 am Only one plane was wrecked I believe.

Just because the FAA said no, doesn't mean it is illegal per se. It likely was an easy attempt to avoid further issues, but that doesn't mean that what they did was illegal. It's just extremely more likely courts will be involved to decide if it was indeed (il)legal.


Does anyone have any actual source about what precisely they applied for, and what the factual FAA response was?
Hopefully their "speedbrake" mod can be removed without any permanent damage. The FAR reg is quoted in Juan's video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dXgDNq ... lancolirio
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So they applied for an exemption for https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/91.105
§ 91.105 Flight crewmembers at stations.
(a) During takeoff and landing, and while en route, each required flight crewmember shall -

(1) Be at the crewmember station unless the absence is necessary to perform duties in connection with the operation of the aircraft or in connection with physiological needs; and

(2) Keep the safety belt fastened while at the crewmember station.
Interesting. Would be a tough one to get out of. I suppose you could argue that that for this particular flight, it was necessary to be away from the crewmember station for the purpose of the flight.
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digits_ wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2022 10:15 am
JasonE wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2022 9:01 am This type of social media sensationalism has no place in aviation. Sadly these 2 clowns will likely make money from the whole thing even after paying for wasting 2 planes. FAA told them no, pull their license for good as it was a direct disobedience of the ruling. We need to end this type of recklessness and image in "sport" aviation.
Only one plane was wrecked I believe.

Just because the FAA said no, doesn't mean it is illegal per se. It likely was an easy attempt to avoid further issues, but that doesn't mean that what they did was illegal. It's just extremely more likely courts will be involved to decide if it was indeed (il)legal.


Does anyone have any actual source about what precisely they applied for, and what the factual FAA response was?
It was illegal. I'm almost certain the 182 has a AFM requirement for a minimum crew of 1. Operating it with less than that is illegal. If you can use the term "operating"
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Perhaps it's just me, and maybe I'm getting old, but I really fail to see what the attraction or the audience is for this type of stuff? It seems, pretty much every time I see something stupid being done with machines, either the machines or the people involved are festooned with Red Bull stickers...
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I think they shouldn't be able to do it
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It seems, pretty much every time I see something stupid being done with machines, either the machines or the people involved are festooned with Red Bull stickers...
Haha, yeah! If I were Red Bull, I would be denying the use of their logo on aircraft, certainly not encouraging it! It's just reminding me which brand to not buy!
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There's no such thing as bad publicity. Red Bull's name is all over the news.
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Personally don't think anyone's view of pilots will change.

The only effect the public has on us is closing airports because they are too close to their houses that didn't exist 10 years ago.
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Is this not just the new era of Barnstormers? So they wrecked a perfectly good 182, otherwise who got hurt?
Barnstorming “seemed to be founded on bravado, with ‘one-upmanship’ a major incentive.”[9] By 1927, competition among barnstormers resulted in their performing increasingly dangerous tricks, and a rash of highly publicized accidents led to new safety regulations, which led to the demise of barnstorming. Spurred by a perceived need to protect the public and in response to political pressure by local pilots upset at barnstormers stealing their customers, the federal government enacted laws to regulate a fledgling civil aviation sector.
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So they wrecked a perfectly good 182, otherwise who got hurt?
All of the pilots who flew it with care and pride before, all of the AME's who maintained it with care and pride, the people at Cessna who built it with care and pride, and all the new pilots who could have flown it, gained experience and been a better pilot for it, but won't ever fly that plane - so, a few people.

I have flown hundreds of planes because the pilots and AMEs before me took care of it, and I like to honour that commitment by treating any machine with respect - for the machine itself, and the people who took care of it before me. The fact that you can afford to wreck something still does not entitle you to. If you are willing to build it to wreck it, then that is your privilege - you built it.

There is already too much "consumption" in our society, Cessna 182's are not a consumable - particularly for meaningless and unapproved stunts by attention wh@res.

I used my excavator to clean up the steel parts of the C 150 I'd owned for 34 years, after it burned overnight in my hangar. I had just done a complete top overhaul, balanced the prop, and firewall forward, had one flight, it flew smooth a silk. That really hurt.

I'd better stop now, or I might say what I really think about this!
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I'd like nothing more than to drop an F-bomb on these clowns.

I hope the FAA throws every possible violation they can scrape up at these two and heavily sanctions RedBull on any further "events". Genuine displays of aeronautical skills, aerobatics etc are a pleasure to watch, these kinds of "stunts" are a waste of internet bandwidth.
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This post would probably have a different tone if they pulled it off
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No. It was stupid all of the way around. This was actually one of the better outcomes.. with nobody killed and only one destroyed aircraft.

It’s one of those things where you start taking record breaking to the absurd. Like world’s youngest pilot or first blind pilot.

There comes a time where it’s no longer advancing aviation or science and it’s just theatrics.
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