Leading Edge placed in interim receivership

[Old fella]

“Yes, I found out all the tricks of the trade
And that's there's only one way you're gonna get things done
I found out the only way to the top is looking out for #1
And that's me, I'm looking out for #1”

From that fine tune by a well known Canadian singer/songwriter and his group. Applicable in this crazy field of aviation as I see it during my 70 odd years of living.

[digits_]

All anyone is saying is that if you're on the verge of insolvency don't go promising jobs to people. Pretty basic human decency stuff.

Actually, if you’re on the verge of insolvency you’re duty-bound to do everything you can to protect the interests of your creditors, and human decency can go sit in a corner for a while. If that includes a last ditch attempt to recruit more staff that are needed to increase profitability, not only should you - you must.

Yeah but then some no - name brand new CPL might get offended and lose their slot at AC.

Forget the other long standing employee’s the company might be trying to save.

Ever heard “its not all about you” one wants to ask.

What's the relevance of the 'no name brand new CPL'? Would your opinion change if it was a 10 000 hour guy? If so, why?

[photofly]

What's the relevance of the 'no name brand new CPL'? Would your opinion change if it was a 10 000 hour guy? If so, why?

Because as a brand new pilot and not even-quite-an-employee they have nothing invested in the company and are owed nothing by it. The 10,000 hour guy who's worked there for 16 years? Sure. But even then, beyond than the statutory and contractual obligations to employees, the interests of the shareholders (up to the point of insolvency) and then those of the creditors come first.

[digits_]

What's the relevance of the 'no name brand new CPL'? Would your opinion change if it was a 10 000 hour guy? If so, why?

Because as a brand new pilot and not even-quite-an-employee they have nothing invested in the company and are owed nothing by it. The 10,000 hour guy who's worked there for 16 years? Sure. But even then, beyond than the statutory and contractual obligations to employees, the interests of the shareholders (up to the point of insolvency) and then those of the creditors come first.

No no, i meant a 10k guy applying at a company and getting half assed offered this job vs a 200 hr cpl.

[photofly]

Rookie has a a disdain for young people with no life experience, in all walks of life, especially ones who moan and whine. It's not personal against pilots.

[rookiepilot]

Rookie has a a disdain for young people with no life experience, in all walks of life, especially ones who moan and whine. It's not personal against pilots.

“With no life experience, an entitled attitude, and thinking the world owes them a living, usually funded by the bank of Mom and Dad”.

Fixed. I AM a massive cheerleader for young folks who want to learn, and show humility.

And I referenced the company would likely, and should, be more concerned about long standing employees in their fight for survival than a newbie who hasn’t invested a thing.

Let me rephrase, Digits.

Neither holding a CPL or an MBA from Harvard mean dog—-t to me as far as earned respect.

[ReserveTank]

To the OP...Many of us have been burned once or twice in this industry. Canada is a hard place to make it due to the business practices. I know it myself--Years ago, I came to work one morning with headset in hand just like 1000 mornings before, only to find a note on the door that the place was locked due to insolvency. We are always the last to find out. Fortunately, I had been busy upgrading my ratings and writing exams to work in other parts of the industry (such as PRM and licensing). Let it be a lesson to you to make alternate plans before the red flags start popping up. You can quickly find yourself out on your ass if you aren't doing your maximum to improve and expand your skillset while reaching for better opportunities. In short, be active and don't put your eggs all in the same basket. Good effort must be put forth.

[photofly]

Canada is a hard place to make it due to the business practices.

Do you think it's harder than most countries?

[rookiepilot]

To the OP...Many of us have been burned once or twice in this industry. Canada is a hard place to make it due to the business practices. I know it myself--Years ago, I came to work one morning with headset in hand just like 1000 mornings before, only to find a note on the door that the place was locked due to insolvency.

I’m sure they went bankrupt just to screw you over.

[photofly]

To the OP...Many of us have been burned once or twice in this industry. Canada is a hard place to make it due to the business practices. I know it myself--Years ago, I came to work one morning with headset in hand just like 1000 mornings before, only to find a note on the door that the place was locked due to insolvency.

I’m sure they went bankrupt just to screw you over.

I think his point is that his company should have put out multiple public announcements on Twitter and by emails to all employees that it wasn't doing so well, at repeated intervals over the previous three months, to avoid giving him such a terrible shock. It's monstrously unfair to him how he was treated.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

Canada is a hard place to make it due to the business practices.

Do you think it's harder than most countries?

It’s worse here now than it’s ever been (Canada). There used to be lots of flying, there’s isn’t anymore.

[photofly]

Canada is a hard place to make it due to the business practices.

Do you think it's harder than most countries?

It’s worse here now than it’s ever been (Canada). There used to be lots of flying, there’s isn’t anymore.

Lots of companies have been and gone, over the years. Is it worse now?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_d ... _of_Canada

[Bug_Stomper_01]

Do you think it's harder than most countries?

It’s worse here now than it’s ever been (Canada). There used to be lots of flying, there’s isn’t anymore.

Lots of companies have been and gone, over the years. Is it worse now?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_d ... _of_Canada

Absolutely it is!

[all_ramped_up]

Used to work there a few years back. Was a decent operation in terms of safety and hour building although pay was low. I'm honestly surprised to see them go under as they had a bunch of government contracts at the time.

Yeah. Same. They just got that base in Debert all set up and things looked like they were going well.

Unfortunate as the Maintenance guys there were a solid group.

[ReserveTank]

To the OP...Many of us have been burned once or twice in this industry. Canada is a hard place to make it due to the business practices. I know it myself--Years ago, I came to work one morning with headset in hand just like 1000 mornings before, only to find a note on the door that the place was locked due to insolvency.

I’m sure they went bankrupt just to screw you over.

I think his point is that his company should have put out multiple public announcements on Twitter and by emails to all employees that it wasn't doing so well, at repeated intervals over the previous three months, to avoid giving him such a terrible shock. It's monstrously unfair to him how he was treated.

As usual, you clowns missed the main point. When one is prepared, the shock of suddenly losing one's job is dampened. The point is that one should be always looking to augment their ability to provide services in their industry. It's easier to pick up and move on quickly while the rest are scratching their heads, waiting for someone to feed them.

[flyingcanuck]

AVCANADA about not jumping ship. "it's paying your dues don't be entitled to a better job you owe them"

Also AVCANADA posters when a company drops you after going bankrupt. "Well you should have seen it don't act entitled to a job.. young people these days"

See something wrong here?

[Bug_Stomper_01]

AVCANADA about not jumping ship. "it's paying your dues don't be entitled to a better job you owe them"

Also AVCANADA posters when a company drops you after going bankrupt. "Well you should have seen it don't act entitled to a job.. young people these days"

See something wrong here?

Yes, that it’s such a well known fact that air crew in Canada are used like management's prophylactic’s that we should have our bags packed after our first day of work…

[newlygrounded]

AVCANADA about not jumping ship. "it's paying your dues don't be entitled to a better job you owe them"

Also AVCANADA posters when a company drops you after going bankrupt. "Well you should have seen it don't act entitled to a job.. young people these days"

See something wrong here?

Yeah, the loonies are off their meds, lets home the CAME doesn't find out!

[digits_]

AVCANADA about not jumping ship. "it's paying your dues don't be entitled to a better job you owe them"

Also AVCANADA posters when a company drops you after going bankrupt. "Well you should have seen it don't act entitled to a job.. young people these days"

See something wrong here?

Don't forget the classic:

"Don't accept jobs for poverty wages! Don't drag down the industry!"

"You want a proper salary? Go sling some bags, you entitled 200 hour wonder!"

[Bug_Stomper_01]

AVCANADA about not jumping ship. "it's paying your dues don't be entitled to a better job you owe them"

Also AVCANADA posters when a company drops you after going bankrupt. "Well you should have seen it don't act entitled to a job.. young people these days"

See something wrong here?

Don't forget the classic:

"Don't accept jobs for poverty wages! Don't drag down the industry!"

"You want a proper salary? Go sling some bags, you entitled 200 hour wonder!"

Lol how dare people demand livable wages!

[rookiepilot]

AVCANADA about not jumping ship. "it's paying your dues don't be entitled to a better job you owe them"

So employers should honor a written contract but pilots don't need to?

[flyingcanuck]

AVCANADA about not jumping ship. "it's paying your dues don't be entitled to a better job you owe them"

So employers should honor a written contract but pilots don't need to?

No... Both should.

[rookiepilot]

AVCANADA about not jumping ship. "it's paying your dues don't be entitled to a better job you owe them"

So employers should honor a written contract but pilots don't need to?

No... Both should.

If there’s no bond, get a better deal, i suggest allow the existing employer to match. Says no, its bye bye. I threatened to leave my employer, who I liked, more than once, back when I had a job, unless they improved my deal. Not personal, its just business.

Loyalty….get a furry friend. I have no problem with people jumping ship, unless a bond agreement is in place. Don’t like the agreement, don’t sign it, or negotiate.

Stop whining, in general……Grow a spine people, learn to negotiate.

[newlygrounded]

So employers should honor a written contract but pilots don't need to?

No... Both should.

If there’s no bond, get a better deal, i suggest allow the existing employer to match. Says no, its bye bye. I threatened to leave my employer, who I liked, more than once, back when I had a job, unless they improved my deal. Not personal, its just business.

Loyalty….get a furry friend. I have no problem with people jumping ship, unless a bond agreement is in place. Don’t like the agreement, don’t sign it, or negotiate.

Stop whining, in general……Grow a spine people, learn to negotiate.

Your really blind to the reality of the industry. You can't negotiate if the government will block you from striking, or will allow an infinite amount of TFW's to come in (Tons of heli guys coming in last 2 years)

[Bug_Stomper_01]

No... Both should.

If there’s no bond, get a better deal, i suggest allow the existing employer to match. Says no, its bye bye. I threatened to leave my employer, who I liked, more than once, back when I had a job, unless they improved my deal. Not personal, its just business.

Loyalty….get a furry friend. I have no problem with people jumping ship, unless a bond agreement is in place. Don’t like the agreement, don’t sign it, or negotiate.

Stop whining, in general……Grow a spine people, learn to negotiate.

Your really blind to the reality of the industry. You can't negotiate if the government will block you from striking, or will allow an infinite amount of TFW's to come in (Tons of heli guys coming in last 2 years)

Heli guys in Canada are definitely headed to airlines in droves. There’s nothing left here