Should Air Canada be nationalized

[WellThatAgedWell]

https://canadiandimension.com/articles/ ... air-canada

Above is an opinion piece. Weak arguments but fun to entertain anyways.

What would jobs look like at Air Canada if this were to happen? Would service improve? Would it be profitable? Would it better serve the public?

[rudder]

No.

[fish4life]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6389874

This is what happens when the government gets involved

[PeterParker]

Let's also nationalize Nav Canada while we're at it. Nav Canada is a gong show to the point that I feel that we're going to see airplanes fall out of the sky due to an utter and complete lack of staffing within Canada's ATC system...

Also, for everyone in here who will invariably come out to argue how privatization will make things better - show me how Nav Canada is supposedly better than the FAA's ATC system?

[altiplano]

We should contract or cede control of our entire air system to the FAA, boot Transport, Nav Canada, CATSA, GTAA, etc. - the whole lot of them. Complete integration from agency mandate to licensing to flight time rules to air traffic to airport priorities.

[TFTMB heavy]

We should contract or cede control of our entire air system to the FAA, boot Transport, Nav Canada, CATSA, GTAA, etc. - the whole lot of them. Complete integration from agency mandate to licensing to flight time rules to air traffic to airport priorities.

Only if we can keep CPDLC.

[altiplano]

CPDLC has launched in several US centres. The infrastructure is there nationwide. No doubt we will see national KUSA coverage soon.

[Blue42]

CPDLC has launched in several US centres. The infrastructure is there nationwide. No doubt we will see national KUSA coverage soon.

We asked a US controller one day when theirs would be on line for Canadian aircraft, the response was “you will be able to once you guys are caught up!” . It was silence when we responded that we’ve had it for years….

[DHC-1 Jockey]

Let's also nationalize Nav Canada while we're at it. Nav Canada is a gong show to the point that I feel that we're going to see airplanes fall out of the sky due to an utter and complete lack of staffing within Canada's ATC system...

Also, for everyone in here who will invariably come out to argue how privatization will make things better - show me how Nav Canada is supposedly better than the FAA's ATC system?

If you've been following the ATC FAA subreddit, you know that things aren't any better in the FAA. Their staffing is at critical levels much the same way NavCanada is.

And for the technology, NavCanada has the FAA beat hands down. When they come visit, FAA controllers are amazed at the technology NavCanada is using. I believe some FAA sites are still using old-school paper strips that get sent from one sector to another by vacuum tube the way it was done in the 60's.

[newlygrounded]

Let's also nationalize Nav Canada while we're at it. Nav Canada is a gong show to the point that I feel that we're going to see airplanes fall out of the sky due to an utter and complete lack of staffing within Canada's ATC system...

Also, for everyone in here who will invariably come out to argue how privatization will make things better - show me how Nav Canada is supposedly better than the FAA's ATC system?

If you've been following the ATC FAA subreddit, you know that things aren't any better in the FAA. Their staffing is at critical levels much the same way NavCanada is.

And for the technology, NavCanada has the FAA beat hands down. When they come visit, FAA controllers are amazed at the technology NavCanada is using. I believe some FAA sites are still using old-school paper strips that get sent from one sector to another by vacuum tube the way it was done in the 60's.

Try to call or email TC then then a fsdo. See who replies first?

[alkaseltzer]

Nationalize the airport authorities and ATC.

Much better for the end customer.

[rudder]

Nationalize the airport authorities and ATC.

Much better for the end customer.

You mean reverse everything the Feds have done over the past 25 years?

[JHR]

Let's also nationalize Nav Canada while we're at it. Nav Canada is a gong show to the point that I feel that we're going to see airplanes fall out of the sky due to an utter and complete lack of staffing within Canada's ATC system...

Also, for everyone in here who will invariably come out to argue how privatization will make things better - show me how Nav Canada is supposedly better than the FAA's ATC system?

If you've been following the ATC FAA subreddit, you know that things aren't any better in the FAA. Their staffing is at critical levels much the same way NavCanada is.

And for the technology, NavCanada has the FAA beat hands down. When they come visit, FAA controllers are amazed at the technology NavCanada is using. I believe some FAA sites are still using old-school paper strips that get sent from one sector to another by vacuum tube the way it was done in the 60's.

Try to call or email TC then then a fsdo. See who replies first?

Oh the FSDO does respond quickly. Unfortunately they tell you nobody is back in the office due to covid and you need to work through a third party $$$ to have your issue addressed!

[photofly]

Nationalize the airport authorities and ATC.

If it takes Transport Canada sixteen months to issue a Category 1 medical, what makes you think they're going to get you through customs any faster than the GTAA?

[schnitzel2k3]

Let's also nationalize Nav Canada while we're at it. Nav Canada is a gong show to the point that I feel that we're going to see airplanes fall out of the sky due to an utter and complete lack of staffing within Canada's ATC system...

Also, for everyone in here who will invariably come out to argue how privatization will make things better - show me how Nav Canada is supposedly better than the FAA's ATC system?

If you've been following the ATC FAA subreddit, you know that things aren't any better in the FAA. Their staffing is at critical levels much the same way NavCanada is.

And for the technology, NavCanada has the FAA beat hands down. When they come visit, FAA controllers are amazed at the technology NavCanada is using. I believe some FAA sites are still using old-school paper strips that get sent from one sector to another by vacuum tube the way it was done in the 60's.

Gotta be honest, whatever they (FAA) are using for weather is way better than Canada. I feel a lot more confident getting vectors from the Americans in terminal airspace, vs Canadian controllers who repeatedly vector into significant weather.

[jpilot77]

Let's also nationalize Nav Canada while we're at it. Nav Canada is a gong show to the point that I feel that we're going to see airplanes fall out of the sky due to an utter and complete lack of staffing within Canada's ATC system...

Also, for everyone in here who will invariably come out to argue how privatization will make things better - show me how Nav Canada is supposedly better than the FAA's ATC system?

If you've been following the ATC FAA subreddit, you know that things aren't any better in the FAA. Their staffing is at critical levels much the same way NavCanada is.

And for the technology, NavCanada has the FAA beat hands down. When they come visit, FAA controllers are amazed at the technology NavCanada is using. I believe some FAA sites are still using old-school paper strips that get sent from one sector to another by vacuum tube the way it was done in the 60's.

Gotta be honest, whatever they (FAA) are using for weather is way better than Canada. I feel a lot more confident getting vectors from the Americans in terminal airspace, vs Canadian controllers who repeatedly vector into significant weather.

100%

[newlygrounded]

If you've been following the ATC FAA subreddit, you know that things aren't any better in the FAA. Their staffing is at critical levels much the same way NavCanada is.

And for the technology, NavCanada has the FAA beat hands down. When they come visit, FAA controllers are amazed at the technology NavCanada is using. I believe some FAA sites are still using old-school paper strips that get sent from one sector to another by vacuum tube the way it was done in the 60's.

Try to call or email TC then then a fsdo. See who replies first?

Oh the FSDO does respond quickly. Unfortunately they tell you nobody is back in the office due to covid and you need to work through a third party $$$ to have your issue addressed!

Hasn't been my experience. See what the others said about ATC vectors too

[Arnie Pye]

Let's also nationalize Nav Canada while we're at it. Nav Canada is a gong show to the point that I feel that we're going to see airplanes fall out of the sky due to an utter and complete lack of staffing within Canada's ATC system...

Also, for everyone in here who will invariably come out to argue how privatization will make things better - show me how Nav Canada is supposedly better than the FAA's ATC system?

Two words: Descend Via,...

[JHR]

Try to call or email TC then then a fsdo. See who replies first?

Oh the FSDO does respond quickly. Unfortunately they tell you nobody is back in the office due to covid and you need to work through a third party $$$ to have your issue addressed!

Hasn't been my experience. See what the others said about ATC vectors too

I must have made it up then...

[alkaseltzer]

Nationalize the airport authorities and ATC.

Much better for the end customer.

You mean reverse everything the Feds have done over the past 25 years?

Gaslighted question. What have the feds done to be reversed?

[alkaseltzer]

Nationalize the airport authorities and ATC.

If it takes Transport Canada sixteen months to issue a Category 1 medical, what makes you think they're going to get you through customs any faster than the GTAA?

You must have some pre-existing conditions.

[rudder]

Nationalize the airport authorities and ATC.

Much better for the end customer.

You mean reverse everything the Feds have done over the past 25 years?

Gaslighted question. What have the feds done to be reversed?

1996 - privatized airports and NavCan.

[alkaseltzer]

You mean reverse everything the Feds have done over the past 25 years?

Gaslighted question. What have the feds done to be reversed?

1996 - privatized airports and NavCan.

Misunderstood my question…I’ll rephrase. In todays climate, what would be better for Nav Can and airport authorities to be able to continue gouging passenger livelihoods and wallets? Compared to re-nationalizing them?

When do the fat cats finally get kicked out from running these enterprises inefficiently? It is Canada after all, and we have an extremely high tolerance for bureaucracy.

[tango308]

Nationalize the airport authorities and ATC.

If it takes Transport Canada sixteen months to issue a Category 1 medical, what makes you think they're going to get you through customs any faster than the GTAA?

You must have some pre-existing conditions.

Pre-existing conditions or clean bill of health for a newly issued Cat 1, TC turnaround times are down right awful at the moment.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/co ... DwMYNzvKbo

[thenoflyzone]

Only 1 guy answered the OP's question, and the rest of the thread turned into a rant against NavCan. Why am I not surprised.

https://canadiandimension.com/articles/ ... air-canada

Above is an opinion piece. Weak arguments but fun to entertain anyways.

What would jobs look like at Air Canada if this were to happen? Would service improve? Would it be profitable? Would it better serve the public?

I don't think nationalization will be better for anyone really. To answer your questions directly....

Service wouldn't improve.
Profitable? Hell no....(alitalia, Air india are but a few examples of mismanaged government owned airlines)
Would it better serve the public? Debatable. Subsidizing underserved routes would be a better strategy I think.

Also, if you want pilot pay to increase, nationalization isn't the way.

If privatizing the gains and making the losses public is a problem, then the solution isn't to un-privatize the gains. It's to stop using public funds to bail out the company. Period.

We should contract or cede control of our entire air system to the FAA, boot Transport, Nav Canada, CATSA, GTAA, etc. - the whole lot of them. Complete integration from agency mandate to licensing to flight time rules to air traffic to airport priorities.

Let's just remove the border and get annexed by the U.S while were at it..

Let's also nationalize Nav Canada while we're at it. Nav Canada is a gong show to the point that I feel that we're going to see airplanes fall out of the sky due to an utter and complete lack of staffing within Canada's ATC system...

I guess you better stop flying right now then....What a stupid comment to make.