P4C members terminated

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I know a ton of pilots hired at AC in the last few years who are mid 30s/40s and some even pushing 50. All of which feel the same way as thid so called entitled "young generation". Not everyone is 23 years old you know.

I wonder should they go find new careers as well sportingrifle?

Are they also all hiring mistakes?

Seriously what the @#$! is this thread.

[sportingrifle]

Bingo fuel…
Hiring is above my pay grade but two thoughts in reply to your question. The first is I would try to hire people who have done hard or unpleasant jobs, either in aviation or to pay for aviation. They appreciate a job where you can sit in a really well maintained heated/air conditioned airplane and sip coffee while the freight loads. The second thing is I would be ruthless getting rid of people with even a hint of a bad attitude while on probation. If they have a bad attitude six months in, it ain’t gonna get better 6 years in.

Unfortunately I can’t tell stories out of school, but some of the stuff I have seen and have heard from my colleagues simply is beyond belief.

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But because the terminated individual was a union guy, his termination for (alleged) bad behaviour has been twisted into an attack on our union, and by extension, ourselves and our contract. No, he was simply one of significant number of hiring mistakes we have made that got corrected. And probably not the last. Your explanation of the tremendous erosion of our wages and working conditions is accurate and something that we need to begin to correct in the upcoming negotiations. But that is a completely separate issue from culling bad apples.

I personally know the individual you are talking about that you refer to as a hiring mistake. My opinion of him is in stark contrast to yours. He was a true unionist. Selfless. An advocate for change. That is what his “bad behaviour” was about and why he was targeted. He will be back. No you can’t fire a union leader for saying something negative about a company. There would be no unions if that were so. This firing is way over the top. Way over. If it had happened with the IAM they would have downed tool. Yes this was a targeted attack on all of us. What you are applauding is the company stepping in and stomping on a union drive/change/ change of direction. Probably because you simply don’t want change.

We have a bunch of elections coming up. More of the same will be placed into leadership roles much to your dismay. Will you applaud if they fire them too?

You speak of correcting our abysmal performance yet you condone, no actually you fully support, the termination of unionists? Unionists are hiring mistakes. How on earth do you expect to correct the performance without unionists?

At no time did I insinuate that it was an entire generation, or even the majority of new hires. You did. It is perhaps 10 or 20 percent, but still a great increase from the perhaps 2 percent of previous generations.

Lol,

You actually think that is less offensive? Like I said, the YVR chair keeps doing the same demographic slagging without the self awareness to understand what he is doing.

Let’s put it this way. The new talent I work with on the line, in the real world, is superb. I have always been impressed with the quality AC hires. I have noticed nothing as far as degradation of attitude and professionalism with one exception. They are not happy with our contract and ACPA’s performance.

What’s going on is that as they try to take action to correct ACPA’s poor performance the company isn’t impressed.

[negative_g]

Bingo fuel…
Hiring is above my pay grade but two thoughts in reply to your question. The first is I would try to hire people who have done hard or unpleasant jobs, either in aviation or to pay for aviation. They appreciate a job where you can sit in a really well maintained heated/air conditioned airplane and sip coffee while the freight loads. The second thing is I would be ruthless getting rid of people with even a hint of a bad attitude while on probation. If they have a bad attitude six months in, it ain’t gonna get better 6 years in.

Unfortunately I can’t tell stories out of school, but some if the stuff I have seen and have heard from my colleagues simply is beyond belief.

Yeesh.

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[skyhighh]

Bingo fuel…
Hiring is above my pay grade but two thoughts in reply to your question. The first is I would try to hire people who have done hard or unpleasant jobs, either in aviation or to pay for aviation. They appreciate a job where you can sit in a really well maintained heated/air conditioned airplane and sip coffee while the freight loads. The second thing is I would be ruthless getting rid of people with even a hint of a bad attitude while on probation. If they have a bad attitude six months in, it ain’t gonna get better 6 years in.

Unfortunately I can’t tell stories out of school, but some of the stuff I have seen and have heard from my colleagues simply is beyond belief.

That shows your total lack and awareness of the pilots AC is hiring. Most of the new hires have been in this industry for decades, which means they most likely worked the ramp, flew planes older than their parents (grand parents?) up north in bad weather while freezing their ass off for a 703-704 who didn’t care about them and most likely forced them to do unsafe things in fear of not having a “recommendation”.

Maybe the reason why the new hires are not as happy to have a job at AC is because they have been selected for being the best, have extensive experience, good attitude, etc… all that while realizing upon arrival that the union doesn’t care about them and the working conditions are some of the lowest of the industry.

You mentioned that the company has been hiring more and more bad apples… Maybe the problem isn’t the apple.

I personally know a bunch of fantastic pilots at Air Canada and one of them just got fired… he isn’t a bad apple but someone motivated to make sure the industry becomes a better place and attract professional pilots. Did you notice there was a “pilot shortage”? Oh wait… no, it isn’t a pilot shortage but a shortage of pilots willing to go through all the s**t and see their pay diminish for every move they make. How many paycut did we take in our career in order to get to the airlines? We keep hearing the old guys saying “They have to pay their dues”… well, guess what, except for a handful… they did! And people like the ones who got fired know that and they are fighting to make sure to attract more and more pilots so we can keep those airplane flying.

Ask around you how many would leave Canada to fly for the US carriers in a heartbeat if the green card was easier to get? Meanwhile the union is like “Yeah… they are bad apples…” while they make 300K a year flying just enough to remain current on the aircraft.

Anyway… Thanks god I can’t get fired from Air Canada

[Ki-ll]

The question is a red herring. In 2003 we were dealing with over staffing due to a merger. In the late 90’s people were upgrading to the 320 in about 3-5 years. Not that different than today. The quality of life issues on the narrow body fleet weren’t as sever then either. Today some people avoid narrow body upgrading because of the poor pairing credit alone. Top of the list is working 16 days often. It’s going more junior partly because the quality of the job has dropped.

We certainly helped AC to expand by creating cheap new hire pay. Yes some got quick upgrades out of the expansion. Between the expansion, and doubling flat pay, our pilot population on flat pay more than tripled.

Think about it.

What were pilot's options in 2003 in terms of whether upgrade or not upgrade to left seat of a NB? Could the have good seniority on the FO list? WB FO? Were they off reserve?

I already answered you. See the bold above.

To expand on it you have picked the worse time in AC history for upgrades and career progression. A merger in 2000 which left us overstaffed. Then 911. Then CCAA. There were about 1600 pilot positions west of YYZ. By 2005 there were less than 1000. Yes it was absolutely brutal. Many people were forced off the YVR base. Left seats lost. Furloughs.

But it wasn’t the norm. It was bankruptcy. Like I said in the late 1990’s upgrades were almost as quick. In 2007 just as quick as today. Much of how fast one can upgrade is timing in a hiring cycle. You and I know it can stop just as fast as it starts.

Today people are upgrading quickly again, just like in previous hiring cycles, but the compensation is about 30% less than it was 20 years ago and the pension greatly degraded. And like always it could stop tomorrow.

Question for you to consider. We took 15% pay cuts in CCAA.

Why are we 30% (some instances 40%) behind pre bankruptcy pay levels today? An in-depth look at this question reveals a lot of continued concessionary bargaining even post CCAA. The most recent Cargo.

The truth of the matter is that in 2003 our wages were relatively close to US carriers. Then while US carriers fought to regain their bankruptcy losses post Chapter 11. ACPA continued to give concessions. Today we are embarrassingly far behind.

What does all this say about our performance over the last 15 years?

Now place yourself in the shoes of Joe junior pilot. Would you want this to continue?

If you want it stopped. How would you go about it?

As you went about trying to stop the concessionary bargaining how would it come across to you if senior pilots started saying to you. Greedy. Lazy. Trouble makers. Quite if you don’t like it.

Then you get to watch the agents for change you have elected get fired. The union response. Zero. Some of the senior response. Good riddance.

Think about it.

I don’t see you answering my questions with either of your posts.
I didn’t pick anything. The person I quoted picked 2003 wages so I did some digging and asked some question to get a perspective.

[BTD]

The first issue is the termination of an employee who ( I believe) disregarded the companies policies on publicly commenting on company affairs. A policy that he signed and acknowledged upon being hired. A policy that is no different from what almost all companies have, and that most companies also terminate their employees for violating. Including airlines represented by ALPA. I commented that a significant number of newer employees also displayed a lack of appreciation for the job and the profession, and that I would be happy if they moved on elsewhere. At no time did I insinuate that it was an entire generation, or even the majority of new hires. You did. It is perhaps 10 or 20 percent, but still a great increase from the perhaps 2 percent of previous generations.

There is no way you could know what percentage. Perhaps the avenues for dissenting opinions are not the same as they were for previous generations. IE social media.

The game would be totally different if social media was around long ago, or if it didn’t exist now. “If you build it he will come”. People are the way people are. Some are whiners and some aren’t. Some have integrity some don’t. Some are pleasant and some are crusty b*asterds, and they come in any combination.

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What were pilot's options in 2003 in terms of whether upgrade or not upgrade to left seat of a NB? Could the have good seniority on the FO list? WB FO? Were they off reserve?

I already answered you. See the bold above.

To expand on it you have picked the worse time in AC history for upgrades and career progression. A merger in 2000 which left us overstaffed. Then 911. Then CCAA. There were about 1600 pilot positions west of YYZ. By 2005 there were less than 1000. Yes it was absolutely brutal. Many people were forced off the YVR base. Left seats lost. Furloughs.

But it wasn’t the norm. It was bankruptcy. Like I said in the late 1990’s upgrades were almost as quick. In 2007 just as quick as today. Much of how fast one can upgrade is timing in a hiring cycle. You and I know it can stop just as fast as it starts.

Today people are upgrading quickly again, just like in previous hiring cycles, but the compensation is about 30% less than it was 20 years ago and the pension greatly degraded. And like always it could stop tomorrow.

Question for you to consider. We took 15% pay cuts in CCAA.

Why are we 30% (some instances 40%) behind pre bankruptcy pay levels today? An in-depth look at this question reveals a lot of continued concessionary bargaining even post CCAA. The most recent Cargo.

The truth of the matter is that in 2003 our wages were relatively close to US carriers. Then while US carriers fought to regain their bankruptcy losses post Chapter 11. ACPA continued to give concessions. Today we are embarrassingly far behind.

What does all this say about our performance over the last 15 years?

Now place yourself in the shoes of Joe junior pilot. Would you want this to continue?

If you want it stopped. How would you go about it?

As you went about trying to stop the concessionary bargaining how would it come across to you if senior pilots started saying to you. Greedy. Lazy. Trouble makers. Quite if you don’t like it.

Then you get to watch the agents for change you have elected get fired. The union response. Zero. Some of the senior response. Good riddance.

Think about it.

I don’t see you answering my questions with either of your posts.
I didn’t pick anything. The person I quoted picked 2003 wages so I did some digging and asked some question to get a perspective.

Bullsh!t.

You know full well 2003 was an inflection point. Or a cliff. Best wages and worst progression all in one year.

You are being opportunistic jumping on someone who didn't live the history.

[Buckle_Up]

What these guys did is serious and they will be lucky if all they get is fired. I don't see this a a shot at P4C in the least. The one clown was on track to get fired before he got laid off. He had made a name for himself during his PIT Course and the unabashed arrogance grew from there.

No ones going to drop tools to support these guys and if you think they'll get their jobs back - you are delusional.

From what I have seen P4C has some great ideas, may want to work on your delivery. No doubt ACPA is useless but this wasn't their doing and remember the MEC Chairman is the Grand Poohbah of the P4C Movement.

Unfortunately these three made a seriously bad move but for the rest of us - time to move on - nothing to see here.

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But because the terminated individual was a union guy, his termination for (alleged) bad behaviour has been twisted into an attack on our union, and by extension, ourselves and our contract. No, he was simply one of significant number of hiring mistakes we have made that got corrected.

What these guys did is serious and they will be lucky if all they get is fired. I don't see this a a shot at P4C in the least. The one clown was on track to get fired before he got laid off. He had made a name for himself during his PIT Course and the unabashed arrogance grew from there.

No ones going to drop tools to support these guys and if you think they'll get their jobs back - you are delusional.

From what I have seen P4C has some great ideas, may want to work on your delivery. No doubt ACPA is useless but this wasn't their doing and remember the MEC Chairman is the Grand Poohbah of the P4C Movement.

Unfortunately these three made a seriously bad move but for the rest of us - time to move on - nothing to see here.

A battle for control for ACPA has been raging since spring. Old guard vs new. The first shot was a failed attempt to remove the nationally elected NEM's from voting. The second shot was an attempted recall in YVR. The third shot has come from management. Firing one of the same people the old guard attacked in the spring.

Management has stepped in, in an attempt to pick which side they want to win in the internal union politics.

You can deny it all you want. Most people are reading the tea leaves the way I am. Internal union meddling. ACPA impotent. Political opposition dancing on graves.

I predict recent events will cause a landslide of voting in favor of change in the upcoming elections.

It really is too bad. The anger from the junior ranks was overwhelming directed at ACPA and not the company. However the companies choice to meddle in union politics just put the anger squarely on them as well.

I get that the company does not want to deal with a real union. But they don't have a choice. It's coming one way or another. They can play favourites and maybe delay it. But they won't stop it.

I'm really disgusted how many senior people are jumping on the good riddance band wagon

Do you remember Rainer? Pitbull. Our collective agreement was drastically better.

[YesMassaPayson]

What these guys did is serious and they will be lucky if all they get is fired. I don't see this a a shot at P4C in the least. The one clown was on track to get fired before he got laid off. He had made a name for himself during his PIT Course and the unabashed arrogance grew from there.

No ones going to drop tools to support these guys and if you think they'll get their jobs back - you are delusional.

From what I have seen P4C has some great ideas, may want to work on your delivery. No doubt ACPA is useless but this wasn't their doing and remember the MEC Chairman is the Grand Poohbah of the P4C Movement.

Unfortunately these three made a seriously bad move but for the rest of us - time to move on - nothing to see here.

KW,

I know you must still be salty from getting "clowned" in your NEM election, but spreading false management drivel isn't going to help your chances the next time you try to not get beat by 600 votes.

Everything in your post is false. Full stop.

[negative_g]

What these guys did is serious and they will be lucky if all they get is fired. I don't see this a a shot at P4C in the least. The one clown was on track to get fired before he got laid off. He had made a name for himself during his PIT Course and the unabashed arrogance grew from there.

No ones going to drop tools to support these guys and if you think they'll get their jobs back - you are delusional.

From what I have seen P4C has some great ideas, may want to work on your delivery. No doubt ACPA is useless but this wasn't their doing and remember the MEC Chairman is the Grand Poohbah of the P4C Movement.

Unfortunately these three made a seriously bad move but for the rest of us - time to move on - nothing to see here.

If you really are KW, imagine running for an elected union position and then cheering on the dismissal of your fellow union members. You should be ashamed. Better for you to just jump right to management, instead of wasting your time running for MEC and pretending to care about the pilot group.

[Fanblade]

Best way into management is through ACPA. Just have to give management what they want. I mean work with them. You eventually get rewarded.

Look no further than some of the architects of TA1. Handsomely rewarded

[Buckle_Up]

Of interest there was another termination hearing, outside of these 3, held earlier this summer. Another entitled little pr@ck whose scrawny @ss was saved by the VR LEC Chair you love to slam.

Hopefully 20 years down the road, when he grows up and is a Widebody Captain, he stops by the nursing home to thank him for saving his career.

Aviation 101, there are no secrets and everyone knows who you are.

Common denominator here largely points to Jazz hires. We certainly got some great guys and gals, but we did get some seriously defective ones who have returned from recall with an awful attitude.

I promise you if I was VP I would put a rapid end to the Jazz Flow Through, they can compete with all other applicants. Only benefactor here is Jazz, not AC.

The layoff was rough, four year flat pay is an embarrassment - everyone gets it - acting like spoiled brats isn't going to fix it.

As for your assertion that P4C will take over the association, good luck with that. Who is going to run for election after this mess. MEC Chairman is a great guy, smart and capable, but WAY over his head. There is a thousand times more Union experience in Flt Ops Management than the P4C group could ever muster.

The one guy you need heavily involved is D.M. in Vancouver and he has said he won't run for office.

[altiplano]

That's quite the way to describe your colleagues... scrawny, entitled, prick... wow...

And all the respect you seem to show for those that fück AC pilots.

"Thousand times more Union experience in Flight Ops Management"

Except that wasn't "Union experience." That was ladder climbing on the backs of the rest of us and at the expense of our contract and wawcon.

Those guys now in management didn't behave or act in the collective best interests of Air Canada pilots ergo that wasn't the behaviour of a unionist or union experience. I would describe it more as company bitch experience, and it shows in the way they run their department now. They are everyone's bitch. In Flight, Commercial, Sales, Ground Services... they all take priority over the needs of Flight Ops, the tail wags the dog in this airline.

Weak Pilot Union and staff. Weak Flight Ops management that doesn't stand up for it's pilots day to day or for the things that should take priority in our operations.

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There is a thousand times more Union experience in Flt Ops Management than the P4C group could ever muster.

This statement is true. ACPA is where people interested in management internships can be found. It’s a problem for the membership but some view it as a perk.

[bcflyer]

What these guys did is serious and they will be lucky if all they get is fired.

What exactly did they do?

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As for your assertion that P4C will take over the association, good luck with that. Who is going to run for election after this mess.

More agents for change willing to take the risk.

You realize the above statement implies these guys were targeted. That the next ones will be too. That the “MESS” as you put it, is foreshadowing for anyone else interested in pursuing change within ACPA.

Sadly though you are likely correct. How far management is willing to go in culling “problem pilots” who want real union representation is yet to be seen. How much cheering for the culling of those same pilots from within ACPA is yet to be seen. You may think management has scared the living crap out of the membership. What actually has happened is ACPA and the company have shown their hand. They are team mates at the moment.

You might scare some back under a rock. Others you just increase resolve.

One of the problems going on is the perceived value of a job at AC. It’s dropped. With it people are willing to take more risk.

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That's quite the way to describe your colleagues... scrawny, entitled, prick... wow...

And all the respect you seem to show for those that fück AC pilots.

"Thousand times more Union experience in Flight Ops Management"

The anger and hostility just means they feel threatened. They are worried status quo is at risk of being upended. They know the possibility of loss of control could happen between now and this fall.

YYZ Chair just stayed in the hands of pushing for a real union. 4 more elections to go.

That is a threat to ACPA, Management wannabes and Flight Ops management.

You have to know all entities will act in self interest. It's why we have had firings. It’s why ACPA supporters are cheering. It's an attempt to scare off new people willing to stand up for change, especially under a P4C banner.

Remember the P4C group has absolutely humiliated ACPA with it's performance review stats. You humiliate people like that and you will always get an angry blow back. Particularly so when it looks like your RP humiliated you. The sense of indignation is too strong to swallow for some.

The one positive I have noticed is that no one is defending ACPA's performance anymore.

[altiplano]

The one positive I have noticed is that no one is defending ACPA's performance anymore.

It's awfully difficult to defend!

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I promise you if I was VP I would put a rapid end to the Jazz Flow Through, they can compete with all other applicants. Only benefactor here is Jazz, not AC.

So you don’t plan on lasting long in management then?

If the flow through was cut off, Jazz would turn back into a training turnstile. The flow through is in place because it’s a cheap way to attract and retain pilots at the regional. It very much does benefit AC.

How long do you think your VP spot will last after you finish driving up AC’s costs and create a crewing problem at the airlines only regional?

[We_tu_lo]

Of interest there was another termination hearing, outside of these 3, held earlier this summer. Another entitled little pr@ck whose scrawny @ss was saved by the VR LEC Chair you love to slam.

Hopefully 20 years down the road, when he grows up and is a Widebody Captain, he stops by the nursing home to thank him for saving his career.

Aviation 101, there are no secrets and everyone knows who you are.

Common denominator here largely points to Jazz hires. We certainly got some great guys and gals, but we did get some seriously defective ones who have returned from recall with an awful attitude.

I promise you if I was VP I would put a rapid end to the Jazz Flow Through, they can compete with all other applicants. Only benefactor here is Jazz, not AC.

The layoff was rough, four year flat pay is an embarrassment - everyone gets it - acting like spoiled brats isn't going to fix it.

As for your assertion that P4C will take over the association, good luck with that. Who is going to run for election after this mess. MEC Chairman is a great guy, smart and capable, but WAY over his head. There is a thousand times more Union experience in Flt Ops Management than the P4C group could ever muster.

The one guy you need heavily involved is D.M. in Vancouver and he has said he won't run for office.

Classic bootlicking boomer "got mine, frick you" talk. Enjoy the flavour of management soles while the rest of us fight for better work conditions. P4C has the backing of the most powerful pilot union in the world, numbnuts.

[Fanblade]

Of interest there was another termination hearing, outside of these 3, held earlier this summer. Another entitled little pr@ck whose scrawny @ss was saved by the VR LEC Chair you love to slam.

Hopefully 20 years down the road, when he grows up and is a Widebody Captain, he stops by the nursing home to thank him for saving his career.

Aviation 101, there are no secrets and everyone knows who you are.

Common denominator here largely points to Jazz hires. We certainly got some great guys and gals, but we did get some seriously defective ones who have returned from recall with an awful attitude.

I promise you if I was VP I would put a rapid end to the Jazz Flow Through, they can compete with all other applicants. Only benefactor here is Jazz, not AC.

The layoff was rough, four year flat pay is an embarrassment - everyone gets it - acting like spoiled brats isn't going to fix it.

As for your assertion that P4C will take over the association, good luck with that. Who is going to run for election after this mess. MEC Chairman is a great guy, smart and capable, but WAY over his head. There is a thousand times more Union experience in Flt Ops Management than the P4C group could ever muster.

The one guy you need heavily involved is D.M. in Vancouver and he has said he won't run for office.

Classic bootlicking boomer "got mine, frick you" talk. Enjoy the flavour of management soles while the rest of us fight for better work conditions. P4C has the backing of the most powerful pilot union in the world, numbnuts.

I think you are making an error if you believe what is happening within ACPA is generational. Yes it is true it is likely part of the issue but I don’t think it is the root of the problem.

It’s the people and they exist in every generation.

Some history.

Post bankruptcy, somewhere around 2007-08 a group of pilots decided it was better to work with the company. The idea was that if AC became profitable we would get to share in that profitability. Lol.
It was called the “new relationship”. Within that relationship we would strive to help the company make money. That was the goal.

ACPA became by in large full of Company minded elected reps. They in turn staffed committees with company minded pilots. If you didn’t work with the company as a committee member you were turfed. Staff was hired to be company minded. LRD instructed to be the same. All with idea that there would be a big pay off for us once the company was profitable.

We became a union without Unionists. We became an extension of management

We agreed to zero cost bargaining. So for the pilot group to get a raise we had to give. We gave pay cuts for Rouge. We gave the company pay cuts for FO’s and RP's. We gave up our pension for future hires. We gave the company cheap cheap new hires.

As you are probably aware a revolution started after TA1 but was quashed by the company with the help of government. We came out worse than if we had just accepted all those cuts. Proof positive to some that we must work with the company at all cost.

We were warned in 2014 during our governance review that our idea that AC profitability would lead to a better contract was folly.

Quote -Hoping that economic conditions improve with Air Canada so more can be demanded at the bargaining table is not a sound go forward strategy.

Nevertheless we went back to the old ways with the old group completely focused on company profitability.

10 year contract locking us in at post bankruptcy wages just prior to AC showing profitability. That wasn’t a coincidence. We were played.

But that didn’t stop the mindset. 10% cut for Cargo. Best fit reserve. ACPA having no issue with the company stripping pilots of CEWS. And the loss of years of service as a result. Why? We need to save the company. Company first pilots second.

Now walks in some people that clearly see the folly in all of this Company first, pilots second mindset.

They get fired upon from all sides. Company minded ACPA doesn’t want them around. Company minded pilots don’t want them around. The company doesn’t want them around. They get left to twist in the wind.

But remember company minded pilots come in every generation. You have them too.

The key now is to remove such people from union elected positions. In turn they will reverse what has been created.

They will appoint pilot minded committees. The company and the company minded ACPA reps will scream.

They will direct staff to be pilot minded. The company and the company minded ACPA reps will scream.

They will direct LRD to defend our CBA. Grievances will be filed. The company and the company minded ACPA reps will scream.

But all of this takes time and more importantly control.

People think differently. We all have biases. It’s human. The overly company minded come in all age groups. They belong in management, not a union. We will just have to drag them along kicking and screaming. I advise earplugs

[CantTurfdaMurph]

Of interest there was another termination hearing, outside of these 3, held earlier this summer. Another entitled little pr@ck whose scrawny @ss was saved by the VR LEC Chair you love to slam.

Hopefully 20 years down the road, when he grows up and is a Widebody Captain, he stops by the nursing home to thank him for saving his career.

Buckle Up -

Thank you for the support. Make sure your buckle is off & your pants are down next time you're on the island, I'll make sure you to personally thank you. No need to wait for the nursing home here.

This decade of avoiding the flight line is a bit tiring, the Cottage doesn't repair itself

It's not easy representing one member all summer on full displacement, but I do enjoy the ferry ride, paid for by the suckers flying to confinement in Hong Kong. Hope the hotel has better reception than up in cottage country - could make for a tough few days of isolation or maybe worse. But like any good leader, you get your troops to eat bullets while the base boss eats caviar.

As I always say - Capture that flying, at all costs, at any wage, under any conditions - cause you won't see me flying freight or anywhere near China!