How backed up is hiring???

[Topgun13]

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[daedalusx]

Why are people even looking at Jazz as a legitimate operation to join. Genuinely question the logic to come here. I’ve personally met 3 people from Perimeter who got hired at AC. Captains on the metro. Why bother coming to Jazz. Go up north get experience, apply to flair and then AC. Jazz is a dead end. You get better flight passes at Westjet or Flair. Fair bidding at Westjet unlike the sludge you truck through at Jazz.

By the time you build up enough seniority at Jazz you’ll be want to blow your brains out from years of harsh working conditions and eating Kraft dinner. Don’t forget to pack 3 days worth of food for your layover. Gotta save that per diem.

Pretty much. Imagine making less in 2023 than a Jazz FO was making in 2013. Not even accounting for inflation.

My favourite part is this on their recruitment website :

Daily tax-free meal per diems on average $9000* per annum.

See, they even give you TAX FREE money so that you can eat shitty food and drink your sorrow away on that layover. That’s almost like having a salary ! Such generosity.

[RRJetPilot]

75k a year for skytrain attendant. That’s how much you are valued.
https://www.translink.ca/careers

[FL030]

75k a year for skytrain attendant. That’s how much you are valued.
https://www.translink.ca/careers

Thanks I actually applied.

[co-joe]

You mean enter poverty, right?

Jazz FO take home pay is just over $1000 (after tax and deductions) biweekly. So hopefully it’s better than that.

Funny you should say that, I heard your first pay cheque at AC is around $800 take home. I'm sure you have no pre-diem yet, and lots of deductions to start with.

[QKZXKV]

You mean enter poverty, right?

Jazz FO take home pay is just over $1000 (after tax and deductions) biweekly. So hopefully it’s better than that.

Funny you should say that, I heard your first pay cheque at AC is around $800 take home. I'm sure you have no pre-diem yet, and lots of deductions to start with.

Sounds sadly familiar

[negative_g]

You mean enter poverty, right?

Jazz FO take home pay is just over $1000 (after tax and deductions) biweekly. So hopefully it’s better than that.

Funny you should say that, I heard your first pay cheque at AC is around $800 take home. I'm sure you have no pre-diem yet, and lots of deductions to start with.

Not even close. It's still shit but not that shit.

[kiaszceski]

Does someone know if Sept 19th is still 20 pilots? And what about the remaining GSs in 2022?

[KenoraPilot]

12 in Sept 19 I believe
Oct 31 will be next GS for Jazz

[kiaszceski]

12 in Sept 19 I believe
Oct 31 will be next GS for Jazz

Okay,
Should we expect a reduction in class as well for Oct, Nov and Dec?

[doiwannabeapilot]

75k a year for skytrain attendant. That’s how much you are valued.
https://www.translink.ca/careers

But do they have flow ?

[doiwannabeapilot]

Jazz FO take home pay is just over $1000 (after tax and deductions) biweekly. So hopefully it’s better than that.

Funny you should say that, I heard your first pay cheque at AC is around $800 take home. I'm sure you have no pre-diem yet, and lots of deductions to start with.

Not even close. It's still shit but not that shit.

C'mon for @#$@$ sakes. why the fake news / rumours/ bs on this site. What is the take home then. Can't someone post factual information.
Might as well watch a Mello video.

[pirep]

75k a year for skytrain attendant. That’s how much you are valued.
https://www.translink.ca/careers

But do they have flow ?

Yeah, you could flow to the Seabus.

[canadian_aviator_4]

Funny you should say that, I heard your first pay cheque at AC is around $800 take home. I'm sure you have no pre-diem yet, and lots of deductions to start with.

Not even close. It's still shit but not that shit.

C'mon for @#$@$ sakes. why the fake news / rumours/ bs on this site. What is the take home then. Can't someone post factual information.
Might as well watch a Mello video.

Just over $1000 before perdiem and OT is the actual take home. That is why jazz has so many angry FOs. The reason why it’s so low, besides the pay scale, is the insane amount of deductions at the company. Health plan is the most expensive I have ever seen, and it’s extremely difficult to get off of, short and long term disability both expensive and non negotiable items, union dues, and then on top of that you have the government’s cut as well. So most guys have close to %50 in deductions. No BS.

[the-minister31]

Just over $1000 before perdiem and OT is the actual take home. That is why jazz has so many angry FOs. The reason why it’s so low, besides the pay scale, is the insane amount of deductions at the company. Health plan is the most expensive I have ever seen, and it’s extremely difficult to get off of, short and long term disability both expensive and non negotiable items, union dues, and then on top of that you have the government’s cut as well. So most guys have close to %50 in deductions. No BS.

I think he was refering to the AC pay, but thank you for the factual information

[rudder]

12 in Sept 19 I believe
Oct 31 will be next GS for Jazz

So from Aug 29 until Oct 31 (9 weeks) Jazz will have hired approximately 51 pilots (19/12/20). Meanwhile, AC is hiring 40 pilots every 2 weeks (so nearly 160 over same time frame). 96+ should come from Jazz (but will not).

What is the problem at Jazz? I have heard lack of instructor resources.

Hiring and training is a planning exercise. Is there a problem at the planning level?

I doubt this deficiency is sustainable.

[Transition9er2]

12 in Sept 19 I believe
Oct 31 will be next GS for Jazz

So from Aug 29 until Oct 31 (9 weeks) Jazz will have hired approximately 51 pilots (19/12/20). Meanwhile, AC is hiring 40 pilots every 2 weeks (so nearly 160 over same time frame). 96+ should come from Jazz (but will not).

What is the problem at Jazz? I have heard lack of instructor resources.

Hiring and training is a planning exercise. Is there a problem at the planning level?

I doubt this deficiency is sustainable.

AC isn’t hiring 40 every class. I don’t think they’ve managed a class of 40 all year.

Latest PIT that just finished week 1 has 29. Last PIT class had 32.

Everyone is told there’s a stack of resumes and there’s no shortage of applicants… yet I don’t think jazz or AC has managed to fill a single class to expectations all year.

Could be wrong, but I doubt it.

[negative_g]

Not only are they not filling classes, a lot of the pilots they are hiring recently, and nothing against them they're more than qualified it just speaks to the so called resume stack and compared to recent historical trends, are coming from 703 and 704/705 combination ops like Pasco. A big difference from just two years ago. And there's also apparently been a number of no shows day one too.

[ellinas]

12 in Sept 19 I believe
Oct 31 will be next GS for Jazz

So from Aug 29 until Oct 31 (9 weeks) Jazz will have hired approximately 51 pilots (19/12/20). Meanwhile, AC is hiring 40 pilots every 2 weeks (so nearly 160 over same time frame). 96+ should come from Jazz (but will not).

What is the problem at Jazz? I have heard lack of instructor resources.

Hiring and training is a planning exercise. Is there a problem at the planning level?

I doubt this deficiency is sustainable.

AC isn’t hiring 40 every class. I don’t think they’ve managed a class of 40 all year.

Latest PIT that just finished week 1 has 29. Last PIT class had 32.

Everyone is told there’s a stack of resumes and there’s no shortage of applicants… yet I don’t think jazz or AC has managed to fill a single class to expectations all year.

Could be wrong, but I doubt it.

So a stack of resumes means no real shortage, just alot of hype shortage! Shortage! Sure and really are these guys at Jazz take home $1000 holy crap!!

[Jester123]

Not only are they not filling classes, a lot of the pilots they are hiring recently, and nothing against them they're more than qualified it just speaks to the so called resume stack and compared to recent historical trends, are coming from 703 and 704/705 combination ops like Pasco. A big difference from just two years ago. And there's also apparently been a number of no shows day one too.

Are we talking AC here or Jazz?

[canadian_aviator_4]

So from Aug 29 until Oct 31 (9 weeks) Jazz will have hired approximately 51 pilots (19/12/20). Meanwhile, AC is hiring 40 pilots every 2 weeks (so nearly 160 over same time frame). 96+ should come from Jazz (but will not).

What is the problem at Jazz? I have heard lack of instructor resources.

Hiring and training is a planning exercise. Is there a problem at the planning level?

I doubt this deficiency is sustainable.

AC isn’t hiring 40 every class. I don’t think they’ve managed a class of 40 all year.

Latest PIT that just finished week 1 has 29. Last PIT class had 32.

Everyone is told there’s a stack of resumes and there’s no shortage of applicants… yet I don’t think jazz or AC has managed to fill a single class to expectations all year.

Could be wrong, but I doubt it.

So a stack of resumes means no real shortage, just alot of hype shortage! Shortage! Sure and really are these guys at Jazz take home $1000 holy crap!!

~$1000 biweekly after all deductions, excluding Per diem and OT pay.

[negative_g]

Not only are they not filling classes, a lot of the pilots they are hiring recently, and nothing against them they're more than qualified it just speaks to the so called resume stack and compared to recent historical trends, are coming from 703 and 704/705 combination ops like Pasco. A big difference from just two years ago. And there's also apparently been a number of no shows day one too.

Are we talking AC here or Jazz?

AC. I was replying to the post above mine referencing AC pit class.

[Aspiredtofly]

Overtime and spending time away from home in the hotel for perdiems is the only way to survive at jazz after all those deductions. It's best to start young if this is where the industry is going

[canadian_aviator_4]

Overtime and spending time away from home in the hotel for perdiems is the only way to survive at jazz after all those deductions. It's best to start young if this is where the industry is going

Senior pilots talk about buying their next 80k vehicle or a new property they are looking to buy, and you silently scream that you cannot even afford to go out for dinner on the overnight. Extremely large pay disparity, outside of the pay scale alone making unity difficult to believe.

[rudder]

~$1000 biweekly after all deductions, excluding Per diem and OT pay.

That number is pathetic. For most (but not all) Part 705 carriers, current starting pay is an embarrassment.

I am not sure why an employer would wear that as a badge of honour.

Market forces. Seller’s market. Parked airplanes and cancelled flights is not a credible business plan.

Empty seats on PIT courses is just a symptom. For other carriers, the stack of resignations is another symptom.

Grab a chair and some popcorn. This is going to be an entertaining. Those trapped in an outdated paradigm will meet the same fate as the proverbial frog in a pot of boiling water.