CDN ATPL to UK (JAA) ATPL

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CDN ATPL to UK (JAA) ATPL

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Canadian ATPL converted to UK (JAA) ATPL

1. Anybody out there done this daunting process? :?

2. Did you go to the UK or the US?

3. When all was said and done, what didi it cost? :shock:

4. Did you have to all the steps or meet the requirements to get waived from some?

5. Has anyone done the distance learning course from Naples Air Centre? What did you think?

6. Has anyone done it through the exemption by having 3000 hours of time on aircraft 30,000 kg or more?

Any info appreciated.
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Post by Ralliart »

Hey, I don't know much myself, but try looking at http://www.harvsair.com/jaa/to_convert_ ... o_atpl.htm if you haven't already, some good info there. Cheers
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Post by cyyz »

You can't do it in the States no matter what they tell you.

Naples and all the other organizations can get you as far as theory training/ground school..

You need to fly to england/europe and sit the written..

and you need to do your flying/conversion in Europe.

You're looking at another 20k+.

http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopic.php?t=608

more info on the subject..
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Post by xenon »

Wrong, you can sit the writtens in Orlando.
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Post by cyyz »

Blah.. don't remember seeing that there last year.. But whatever..

Xenon is correct you can write it in Orlando too..
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Post by MurtsAir »

Why cant there be one licence for all the countries that have there act togather like Canada, US, UK, Austrailia, NZ and such Aviation wise. We all fly into each others airspace does that mean a Canadian pilot is inferiour to a pilot from the UK. There should be an ICAO licence once certain requirements are met with a stadardized test for all countries. Not that I want to take another test and heap on more red tape to cut through. like an International ATPL thats good in all with no conversions neccasary.
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Post by cyyz »

Worst idea ever..

Sorry, I know it sucks that we can't fly in Europe with out their License.

But luckily our own regulations prevent the Americans into our pool...

The Yanks have their Right seaters log PIC time at their 100hrs for $5k programs. Luckily TC doesn't recognize that..

Imagine how many Canadian pilots would be hired if we let Americans into our Market?
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Post by JigglyBus »

Saw that coming.

Regarding the JAA the rules / abilities are somewhat changing on a daily basis. Although nothing has been firmly put in writing as of yet.

The lastest news being, that you can now write the JAA exams in the US. The required flight training can also now be completed in the US, however the flight tests have to be accomplished in a JAA state, so you'd probably want to do a couple fam flights in the area, just to get the feel.

The major thing which hasn't really changed is the price. Even with all the US cheapness added in, it will probably still run you around $20g USD.

There are quite a few odd exceptions to these rules floating around. Most notably the 1000+ on two crew type. If you have 1000+ on an aircraft which is certified 2 crew (no DHC6's etc) then you can do a type check on that particular type, in place of the GFT (commercial) and the multi IFR. You still have to write all the tests however. Maybe it's 500+, not 1000+ I can't remember.

Also, there are still a couple of other loopholes around. Heard some guy a while ago get his OECS ATPL converted to a french one, and then wrote a few tests and convert to a JAA. I don't know all the details, sounded kinda hokey to me, but he seemed pretty happy.

Regarding the transferability of licenses, someone had mentioned earlier something about "what if americans could fly here??".... that statement is very misplaced. Licensing is not what stops a pilot from moving to another country to work, IMMIGRATION is. A US pilot cannot just come to fly in Canada whether he had a Canadian license, unless he was legally allowed to be here.

I don't believe many US pilots want to come to Canada to work anyways, but thats another can of worms. The license conversion is no problem, maybe 5 days, and $2000 should cover US to Can ATPL.

The main reason the JAA won't allow easy conversions had really nothing to do with the 'our pilots are better than yours' mentality. ( well except maybe in England ). It's completely financial. The flightschools do not want to lose all their business. If the conversions were easy, EVERYONE would train in the US, and come back and convert. The authorities are very closely tied in with the larger companies and the schools, so they set rules to prevent this from happenning.

There has been talk of easy conversions for as long as I can remember. Don't count on it happenning in our lifetimes.
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Post by MurtsAir »

Dam I didnt even look at it from that point of view. I stand corrected but really would americans want to come up here. "whats an NDB?"
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Post by loopy »

Anyone done the process recently?

I guess like Canada, you have to have the medical before you can do the exams? Am I right in assuming you actually have to go to the UK, or other JAA country to do the medical, even if you are writing them through the US?

How did you find the 14 exam process?
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Post by flyboy441 »

Has anyone looked into Canadian (US) ATP to a commercial licence? IS it easier and is there any jobs available for that level. May give you a chance to earn income and work towards the higher.
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Post by loopy »

In regards to the previous question, is the UK commercial worth anything? It's my impression that most starting professional pilots do their exams and get the frozen ATPL. Is there much you can do in the UK or Europe without the ATPL or frozen ATPL?
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