Flair hire

[goingmissed]

How many pilots do you have in the pool right now?

Apparently not enough to prevent them from applying to hire TFWs.

[GRK2]

How many pilots do you have in the pool right now?

Apparently not enough to prevent them from applying to hire TFWs.

Seriously? Could you show us where?

Thank you.

[vrefplus5]

Sorry GRK2, goingmissed cannot show you, because his comment is factually false.

To quote the Vp Ops taken from another site “…. Flair is not hiring temporary foreign pilots. We do not have a need for temporary pilots and do not have the seasonality that other airlines may face.”

And the CP’s quote as well “…. you have been misinformed. Flair is not pursuing a TFW program. Any pilots employed with Flair have Canadian licenses and the right to work in Canada.”

goingmissed, I get that your sources may have presented that TFW falsehood as fact, but I’m just here to educate you and clear things up a little. Have a good weekend.

[medo]

Sorry GRK2, goingmissed cannot show you, because his comment is factually false.

To quote the Vp Ops taken from another site “…. Flair is not hiring temporary foreign pilots. We do not have a need for temporary pilots and do not have the seasonality that other airlines may face.”

And the CP’s quote as well “…. you have been misinformed. Flair is not pursuing a TFW program. Any pilots employed with Flair have Canadian licenses and the right to work in Canada.”

goingmissed, I get that your sources may have presented that TFW falsehood as fact, but I’m just here to educate you and clear things up a little. Have a good weekend.

I agree. When asked about staff shortages the ceo said on Wednesday "The workforces are stabilizing, the pilot population is stable".

[GRK2]

Sorry GRK2, goingmissed cannot show you, because his comment is factually false.

To quote the Vp Ops taken from another site “…. Flair is not hiring temporary foreign pilots. We do not have a need for temporary pilots and do not have the seasonality that other airlines may face.”

And the CP’s quote as well “…. you have been misinformed. Flair is not pursuing a TFW program. Any pilots employed with Flair have Canadian licenses and the right to work in Canada.”

goingmissed, I get that your sources may have presented that TFW falsehood as fact, but I’m just here to educate you and clear things up a little. Have a good weekend.

Appreciate your response, I might have been less charitable than you once I discovered his falsehood. Well done.

[goingmissed]

How many pilots do you have in the pool right now?

Apparently not enough to prevent them from applying to hire TFWs.

Seriously? Could you show us where?

Thank you.

It's a rumour I heard that I took at face value.

Sorry GRK2, goingmissed cannot show you, because his comment is factually false.

To quote the Vp Ops taken from another site “…. Flair is not hiring temporary foreign pilots. We do not have a need for temporary pilots and do not have the seasonality that other airlines may face.”

And the CP’s quote as well “…. you have been misinformed. Flair is not pursuing a TFW program. Any pilots employed with Flair have Canadian licenses and the right to work in Canada.”

goingmissed, I get that your sources may have presented that TFW falsehood as fact, but I’m just here to educate you and clear things up a little. Have a good weekend.

Good to hear that I trusted the wrong source. All we need is another airline bringing in foreign pilots as a way to suppress wages.

[Yogi21]

From what I understand being in the pool doesn’t mean anything necessarily. They do say “Your application will remain active in our pool for up to one year from today’s date.” That being said then I guess after one year your back to stage one? Someone can clarify

@tbalyx is this true?

I believe they keep applications active for one year if they haven't been updated. If you've been interviewed and received a successful letter then we want to hire you. However, hiring from now to early 2023 will focus on experienced pilots that can come as DEC's or upgrade in under 6 months. If you are lower on the experience spectrum then you will likely spend some time in the pool as more qualified pilots are targetted in order to meet the rapid growth captain requirements.

Our aircraft arrive April to July, then in November again. Hiring ramps up early in the new year to cover the spring deliveries. We anticipate hiring 150+ pilots for 2023 including 75+ internal upgrades/DECs.

How many pilots in the pool right now? Seeing that there is an open house in Calgary and probably lots of Encore pilots will apply. What would it mean for 704 guys who are already in the pool? Will 705 guys jump ahead of us next year?

[tbaylx]

@tbalyx is this true?

I believe they keep applications active for one year if they haven't been updated. If you've been interviewed and received a successful letter then we want to hire you. However, hiring from now to early 2023 will focus on experienced pilots that can come as DEC's or upgrade in under 6 months. If you are lower on the experience spectrum then you will likely spend some time in the pool as more qualified pilots are targetted in order to meet the rapid growth captain requirements.

Our aircraft arrive April to July, then in November again. Hiring ramps up early in the new year to cover the spring deliveries. We anticipate hiring 150+ pilots for 2023 including 75+ internal upgrades/DECs.

How many pilots in the pool right now? Seeing that there is an open house in Calgary and probably lots of Encore pilots will apply. What would it mean for 704 guys who are already in the pool? Will 705 guys jump ahead of us next year?

In early 2023 we will focus on DEC's and rapid upgrade first officers with 4000+ TT and 705 time. Once the captain positions are filled we'll focus on the 704 pilots in the pool. I would anticipate late spring 2023.

[co-joe]

I sat in the pool a few years ago before being hired for roughly 6 months, at the time I was still actively taking interviews and ended up being in the pool at another airline as well. Flair called first so here I am, and I'm glad it worked out like that. Back then HR was contracted out to a 3rd party and the process was much less organized, now you have a spot, I know it's a tough place to be in. Best advice is keep building time, don't sign any new training bonds, keep in touch here and keep your resume up to date with flair HR, make damn sure you keep us up to date on your contact information, and keep applying to airlines, keep doing interviews.

For Flair's part, we're growing fast, but we have the organisational structure to back up that growth now. We have our own Max sim, a new Max FTD on the way, our loads are good, our bookings are solid, things are rolling, and we need FOs too. tbaylx might be able to say more, but we've done hiring fairs in yyz, and yyc now, turn out was high, so almost guaranteed that more are coming.

[tbaylx]

I sat in the pool a few years ago before being hired for roughly 6 months, at the time I was still actively taking interviews and ended up being in the pool at another airline as well. Flair called first so here I am, and I'm glad it worked out like that. Back then HR was contracted out to a 3rd party and the process was much less organized, now you have a spot, I know it's a tough place to be in. Best advice is keep building time, don't sign any new training bonds, keep in touch here and keep your resume up to date with flair HR, make damn sure you keep us up to date on your contact information, and keep applying to airlines, keep doing interviews.

For Flair's part, we're growing fast, but we have the organisational structure to back up that growth now. We have our own Max sim, a new Max FTD on the way, our loads are good, our bookings are solid, things are rolling, and we need FOs too. tbaylx might be able to say more, but we've done hiring fairs in yyz, and yyc now, turn out was high, so almost guaranteed that more are coming.

There will certainly be increasing numbers of pilot open days and presence at industry events. If you're in the pool you should have been given an email to contact the recruiting team with questions that come up. They could better inform you of potential timelines. Don't hesitate to reach out to them

[Apestogetherstrong]

I have my interview coming up with both Flair and Transat. I have 1900 hrs. How long is the pool time at Flair? Kinda confused which way to go. I like Flair cuz its single day pairings. Does being in the pool guarantee that we will be called? Thinking if I get called by Transat first, should I wait in the pool and burn the Transat bridge? What if I dont get called since Flair is sponsoring SA pilots. Confused :s

[kiaszceski]

Transat is backed by the Quebec government.

[tbaylx]

I have my interview coming up with both Flair and Transat. I have 1900 hrs. How long is the pool time at Flair? Kinda confused which way to go. I like Flair cuz its single day pairings. Does being in the pool guarantee that we will be called? Thinking if I get called by Transat first, should I wait in the pool and burn the Transat bridge? What if I dont get called since Flair is sponsoring SA pilots. Confused :s

With 2000 hours, the recruitment of SA DEC's wont' have any effect on your employment opportunities. We're pursuing a limited number of experienced SA Captains but not First Officers.

Flair is hiring approximately 160-200 pilots next year beginning in January. Both companies have advantages and disadvantages. Depends on where you live, what you prefer for lifestyle (layovers vs single days), and how much you value a quick upgrade opportunity.

[TFTMB heavy]

I have my interview coming up with both Flair and Transat. I have 1900 hrs. How long is the pool time at Flair? Kinda confused which way to go. I like Flair cuz its single day pairings. Does being in the pool guarantee that we will be called? Thinking if I get called by Transat first, should I wait in the pool and burn the Transat bridge? What if I dont get called since Flair is sponsoring SA pilots. Confused :s

There are a lot of single days at Transat.

[Antigravity2233]

Happy New Year folks.

Any insight on what’s the latest in the hiring part ? Did anyone receive a call for interview recently?

[Bluewaffe]

How many pilots flair currently have?

[highspeed]

Happy New Year folks.

Any insight on what’s the latest in the hiring part ? Did anyone receive a call for interview recently?

Interviews planned for second and third week of January.

[tbaylx]

How many pilots flair currently have?

319 as of Jan 9th

[pilotguy53]

Now that we're in 2023, does any one know how long you can sit in the hiring pool? With course starts every 2 weeks, will things be quicker than 2022? Thanks!

[CaptDukeNukem]

Now that we're in 2023, does any one know how long you can sit in the hiring pool? With course starts every 2 weeks, will things be quicker than 2022? Thanks!

Depends how much experience you have I imagine. They’re probably gonna prioritize DECs and people who can upgrade quickly. I’ve heard people waiting anywhere from weeks to half a year.

[Duke86]

I just want to say how much I appreciate management being on here, responsive and open with their answers. It's very refreshing.

There has no doubt been a lot of interest in the YYC base. What's the likelihood of a pilot with >4000 hrs applying today being able to hold it reasonably soon after starting? Roughly how long do you estimate they would spend on reserve once they get to YYC?

[Yogi21]

How many pilots flair currently have?

319 as of Jan 9th

Hearing rumours that Swoop is planning YHM to Europe routes. Does Flair plan on adding European routes? Are more sun destinations planned? Thanks

[pacman007]

I highly doubt that will happen. With the European pax fees for delays they will never turn a profit. It’s probably a rumour .

[tbaylx]

How many pilots flair currently have?

319 as of Jan 9th

Hearing rumours that Swoop is planning YHM to Europe routes. Does Flair plan on adding European routes? Are more sun destinations planned? Thanks

We have no current plans for Europe, nor does that fit in a ULCC business model. There will be additional southern destinations added to the network for next winter.

[Arnie Pye]

We have no current plans for Europe, nor does that fit in a ULCC business model. There will be additional southern destinations added to the network for next winter.

https://worldairways.com/longhaul-low-c ... e-us-first

Not only does it seem to fit in the ULCC world but the Flair corporate overlords also seem to disagree. Yes, this is an article from 2018, when Norwegian also conducted long haul ULCC flights.

"Miami-based 777 Partners revealed that their intended strategy for World would be to turn the carrier into a primarily long-haul ULCC, operating flights between the United States, South America, and Asia. The company is currently [in 2018] in talks with Boeing to order up to ten Boeing 787-8 Dreamliners to operate out of their planned hubs in Miami and Los Angeles."