things that piss me off on the radio - please read this.

yvryvryvr · Post by **yvryvryvr** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 10:31 pm

just a quick rant.....hopefully all the new and upcoming pilots will read this and learn from it.. please feel free to add more stuff....

i've been flying for a few years now, and there have been so many things i had heard on the radio that i just shake my head at... when you broadcast your intentions or position, it should be as quick and precise as possible.....here is a list of words and sentences that piss me off (as i'm sure they do you as well)....

ex:

"currently" - ie. 'glenn valley traffic G-ABC is "currently" over blah blah'.... where else would you be at that moment??? you're OVER.. not currently....'glenn valley traffic G-ABC OVER the powerlines'.. get it?

"this is" - just say the damn call sign of the plane. "thunder bay radio, G-ABC inbound IFR from blah blah"

"any conflicting traffic" - oh god. are you for real?? trust me.. if i'm 'conflicting' with you, you're gonna hear about it... the last thing i want is to be looking down the business end of a rabid 152.. honeslty.

"we" - ie. 'WE are a 172 inbound from the south'...honeslty, noone cares who you have in the plane.. just say 'a 172 inbound from the south'

"performing spins and stalls and steep turns and slow flight at 3000 feet and below" - do instructors nowadays teach no radio etiquette?? how about 'airwork 3000 and below'... for real!! these are the people that shave years off my life.

"please advise" - well isn't that cute.... please..you know, cuz if you just said 'advise' or, god forbid just the call sign of the plane, i might come up from behind you and knock you out of the sky....how about this "blah blah blah glenn valley traffic ABC 123.2'

"approximately" - ie. "approximatey 5 miles to the north"....ok... seriously now. the last thing i want to know is 'approximately' where you are... just don't even make a radio call because i'd rather be killed by surprise....please just come out of nowhere and hit my plane because knowing 'approximately' where you are might leave me worrying a little too much.

"performing steep turns" - what are you some sort of acrobat pilot? you don't PERFORM a steep turn.. you DO a steep turn.

'doing emergency decents' - ok first of all, the word 'emergency' isn't really a good word to be broadcasting on the radio in the first place. the fact that this idiot was in a 172 makes me worry even more.

"a cessna 152 entering the zone" - everyone knows who makes 152's. get of it. it's not the space shuttle. just say '152'..

"traffic in the VICINITY of" - this sentence honestly keeps me awake at night with chest pains. 'in the vicinity of'..... hmmm.. let's think about this. do i live in the vicinity of canada??? no.. i live in canada. just say WHERE YOU ARE...... 'Stoney rapid traffic....'.. i'd rather get kicked in the face than hear this sentence while flying.

"15 nautical miles back' - @#$!. "15 back" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

here's the winner: (we've all heard it before)

"traffic in the vicinity of glenn valley on 123.2 this is golf alpha bravo charlie a cessna 152; we are currently entering the zone from approximately 5 nautical miles to the west and we will be performing emergency decents and spins and stalls and then some flow flight at 3000 feet and below any traffic in glenn valley please advise cessna 152 golf alpha bravo charlie on 123.2"

please add to this thread.

2low · Post by **2low** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 10:43 pm

Each and every one of us was at that point once. Hell, even I will admit that.

Bruno · Post by **Bruno** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 10:54 pm

My personal pet peeve is when people take the time to type up long winded ridiculous posts on avcanada about shit like this.

Get a clue, get out of the practice area. Maybe you will have something interesting to say.

ZBB118.10 · Post by **ZBB118.10** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:08 pm

Pedantic.

I think most of us selectively hear what we need to anyway. Jesus, if you are listening so hard that you can pick out all these faults, who on earth is flying the plane?

Bruno · Post by **Bruno** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:21 pm

haha well put, pedantic it is!!

flyer 1492 · Post by **flyer 1492** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:23 am

I think some one needs a vacation...

Jeromeo · Post by **Jeromeo** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:42 am

You know what I love about your post? The fact that I know you use to do these types of radio calls and someone else commented on it and you have slowly over time fixed this "problem". Everyone else knows you used to do this. I used to do it and I'm sure everyone in this damn forum is guilty of it. Step off. You're just the type of pilot that hates competition and any new pilot you see you give him the unwelcoming glare. The glare that tries to say "you'll never be as good as me". How do I know? I used to be there too. Just fly and have fun it's all you can do. Students just learn what they hear. So I guess the instructors are to blame for some of this. The point of aviation is to fly and have fun, not pick apart every single radio transmission. That's just my opinion.
Sincerely,
The average A-HOLE!

R2000/1830 · Post by **R2000/1830** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 4:48 am

I rather people say too much rather than nothing at all.

Sulako · Post by **Sulako** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:26 am

Wow, that's about the most anal thing I have read in a non-porn related context.

All the stuff that drives you crazy seems to add about 3 seconds to the total transmission time. And I concur with the others, I'd rather hear someone trying to make a good radio call and taking a little longer than have someone be too intimidated to make a call and wind up in my windshield.

w squared · Post by **w squared** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:27 am

I'm with R2000 on this one. in this situation, I'd rather hear too much information than have critical facts left out.

"GXYZglennvalleyfivebackspinsanstallsGXYZ123.3" strikes me as far shorter than your "pet peeve" transmission. However, given who's likely to be in the practice area, it strikes as being far more likely to be mis-interpreted and it simply doesn't provide all the necessary information.

I understand the reasoning behind your rant...you are right in saying that transmissions should be kept as short as possible. Just the pertinent facts, with a minimum of unecessary verbiage inserted into them. BUT...

How is a student to know what's pertinent and what's verbiage? Most people are used to putting our thoughts into a sentence before they come out of our mouths, and things flow more naturally if radio calls start out that way. Every new pilot is used to having verbiage inserted in a sentence (unless they habitually grunt like Tarzan) Trimming calls down to be quick and efficent is an acquired skill...kiinda like the skill needed to safely get that rabid 152 of theirs around the large blue area above the large multicoloured marble. Skills usually do not spring into being full-fledged, but need to be practiced and developed.

If you start insisting that they trim out sections of their radio calls, you just may find that three times as much of YOUR time gets used up with trying to figure out who was calling, and where exactly they're doing stalls and spins. It's much easier for you (who you would have us believe is an aviation authority) to filter out the pertinent bits of information than it is for them (who you are readily willing to dismiss as idiots) to correctly decide just what is important!

I guess you can say that we've all felt free to "add more stuff".

Driving Rain · Post by **Driving Rain** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 6:05 am

I love side-tone and the sound of my own voice.

This is Driving Rain from home in my chair in the office just off the kitchen. I'll be here for a while reading and answering some of the AV CANADA forms. Any conflickting please advice at http://www.avcanada.ca.

Mitch Cronin · Post by **Mitch Cronin** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 6:08 am

"these are the people that shave years off my life."

" honestly keeps me awake at night with chest pains."

Whooooeee, boy you might want ta find another line of work then!

Here's a counter to your rant...

I haven't done any flyin' in a while, but if/when I ever get back in an airplane for the purposes of aviatin'... I'm gonna say just exactly what comes to my mind as being proper at the time... If I get too wordy for you, oh well, at least you'll know my whereabouts and intentions. Hell, I might even accidentally say "please".

Y'know, there's an awful lot of folks who learn to fly for fun, who are pretty darned intimidated by the radio... the last thing they need is more reason to fear the damned thing! First they need to get comfortable talking on the radio... then maybe if they graduate to your high fallutin level of professional puddle jumper pilot, they can hone their radio yakking skills.... izzat ok with you?

Sheesh man, take a pill...

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 6:15 am

cpt sweet'njuicy wrote: noob

He said n00b.. <haha>

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 6:17 am

Mitch Cronin wrote:I'm gonna say just exactly what comes to my mind...

Liar... But by all means,

*waits for mitch to get the female ATCer*

Mitch Cronin · Post by **Mitch Cronin** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 6:28 am

well...

... I did say "proper" ....but I see your point. Guess I might hold back a few things.

desksgo · Post by **desksgo** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 6:32 am

yvryvryvr wrote:just a quick rant.....hopefully all the new and upcoming pilots will read this and learn from it.. please feel free to add more stuff....

Are you finished!!? Be sure to wash your hands.

Now to this issue at hand, Ginger, Mary Anne or Mrs. Howell?

Mitch Cronin · Post by **Mitch Cronin** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 6:37 am

No contest - Mary Anne!!

Beechball · Post by **Beechball** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 6:55 am

I for one agree with YVR, to a certain point. YVR may not really have been including low time-low experience guys in the rant. The 4000 hour plus guys are the problem. Once you get a decent amount of experience in, your radio work should be up to par. With a lot of guys however, it's really pathetic. It's because it's really fallen to the wayside as an aviation value in recent years. (like spelling).

desksgo · Post by **desksgo** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 7:00 am

Beechball wrote:I for one agree with YVR, to a certain point. YVR may not really have been including low time-low experience guys in the rant. The 4000 hour plus guys are the problem. Once you get a decent amount of experience in, your radio work should be up to par. With a lot of guys however, it's really pathetic. It's because it's really fallen to the wayside as an aviation value in recent years. (like spelling).

So you're saying you prefer the professor?

Hedley · Post by **Hedley** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 7:16 am

1) MaryAnn, hands down.

2) I actually agree with most of the rant.

3) I too am concerned about the mental health of the original poster

4) Calling 15nm back is required by CAR 602.104(2)(a)(i) when I an grounding 180K or better, otherwise I get yet another registered letter in the mail again.

5) "That's a big 10-4, good buddy!"

Jaques Strappe · Post by **Jaques Strappe** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 7:26 am

Well I am 15 back for a staight in to MaryAnne............any conflicting please advise.

Mitch Cronin · Post by **Mitch Cronin** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 7:37 am

NOTAM: 1440Z - MaryAnn unavailable - ugly AME "Mitch" unavailable - be advised wild animals reported rolling in the grass near threshold of rnwy 09 on Gilligan's Island.

marktheone · Post by **marktheone** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 7:58 am

yikes man. Yvrvyryvr if you're in the glen valley practice area then you are instructing. Or possibly being instructed. Don't let little shit like that piss you off. Either instruct or learn but don't waste time thinking about that kind of crap. Just my 2 pennies from someone who's bein there.

Driving Rain · Post by **Driving Rain** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 8:21 am

When did Misses Howell become such a nice looking MILF?

desksgo · Post by **desksgo** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 8:30 am

That's actually not Mrs. Howell, I threw a picture of my own mother in there just to see if anyone would notice. She appreciates the compliment and posts under the name "Tower Dudette" if you'd like to speak to her further.

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