5,6,7 Pay

[tango308]

Great info here, thanks for sharing.

Does AC have YOS when moving from FO -> CA or do CA start back at year 1?

[bob99]

You keep your YOS

[Malfunction]

Any idea how long new upgraded cpts are on reserve for?

[Col. Panic]

Any idea how long new upgraded cpts are on reserve for?

Like my underwear, the answer is “depends”!

If you hold off upgrading until you are senior enough, you may not have to do much reserve at all… unless you want to. It is all seniority based, but some relatively senior pilots intentionally bid reserve for a variety of reasons. Probably less so now with the new reserve system.

If you are the most junior pilot in a category, the chances are that you will be stuck on reserve. Historically there were times (like December) where you could be too junior to hold a reserve block, but that is rare. So how long you spend on reserve depends upon how quickly they train pilots junior to you into the same position. If you happen to upgrade at the leading edge of a wave, you may be on reserve for a relatively short time, but if you are on the trailing edge, you may be at the bottom of the list for years!

[bob99]

What ^ said. It's really impossible to say, especially right now because everything's still a mess from covid. There's generally 20 to maybe 30 pilots on rsv (in yyz) every month. Many will delay their upgrade for a year to avoid being at the very bottom. So if you bid captain right away, you're always gonna have guys parachuting in on top of you. And you never really know how long those guys are going to defer for.

[Rooster69]

Any idea how long new upgraded cpts are on reserve for?

Reserve is two vastly different worlds when comparing narrow body Vs. Wide body worlds. (I don’t mean pilot’s bodies). Narrow body was extremely painful. Never knew when you were done. You could arrive back at home base and be sent out on rapidair and layover.

Wide body, you are pretty much done when you get in.

Furthermore, the days of being on Reserve and not flying all month are gone due to ‘best fit’.

[Hangry]

Any idea how long new upgraded cpts are on reserve for?

Reserve is two vastly different worlds when comparing narrow body Vs. Wide body worlds. (I don’t mean pilot’s bodies). Narrow body was extremely painful. Never knew when you were done. You could arrive back at home base and be sent out on rapidair and layover.

Wide body, you are pretty much done when you get in.

Furthermore, the days of being on Reserve and not flying all month are gone due to ‘best fit’.

The days of never knowing when you’re done are also gone. Can only extend 2hrs into GDO.

[Malfunction]

Any chance 4 yr flat pay can be fixed in 2025?

[PT6onH20]

Any chance 4 yr flat pay can be fixed in 2025?

Sure, we’ll start working on it just cause you asked.

[Malfunction]

Any chance 4 yr flat pay can be fixed in 2025?

Sure, we’ll start working on it just cause you asked.

Nice attitude

[Eric Janson]

Overseas pay and international override pay aren't uncommon at large airlines.

I've always earned a flat salary/mo - even at a Flag carrier. Same pay regardless of type flown.

I think it's a N American thing.

[Fanblade]

Any chance 4 yr flat pay can be fixed in 2025?

The list of things that need fixing is long. The shit representation that agreed to the mess, is not up to, or willing to fix it.

Currently there is a movement afloat to take us to ALPA. If that movement succeeds, we all have a shot at a better future.

If it fails? Expect more of the same.

Believe it or not there is actually substantial resistance to change within ACPA the union, and almost half of ACPA elected pilot reps. This despite the total train wreck our contract has become in comparison to industry standard.

ACPA is only just barely in transition away from being an extension of management after last falls election. Next fall there will be more elections. We could easily slip back if we fail to elect more unionists.

Hopefully that does not happen. But the opposition to change is very strong.

Realistically “catching back up” takes time. A lot of it. It took the Delta pilots over a decade to recover and catch back up after bankruptcy.

So will the mess be better in 2025? With the right representation yes. But realistically it will be a bunch of small steps in the right direction over a long period of time to fully recover.

[Malfunction]

Thank you

[Dingbatt]

*THREAD DRIFT*

What the EFF is the justification for the 4 years of flat pay? I made more than year 3 flying a !Navajo! in 2002!

Seriously agree. It makes AC a really not appealing job. Seems like the classic "pay your dues" never ends in Canadian aviation.

[tango308]

Aircanada pay rates

Do these 2022 base rate increase at 2% per annum?
Let say, today a year 5 FO is making 109.58. Someone starting today on the same fleet and position could see a 10% bump (5x2%) 5 years from now, making the base salary 120.53?

I hope my question is clear.

Thanks

[Victory]

In another thread a 10 year NB CA says they make $245k with 1 OT trip. Where does the extra $40-45k come from beyond the pay table above?

[Hangry]

In another thread a 10 year NB CA says they make $245k with 1 OT trip. Where does the extra $40-45k come from beyond the pay table above?

That’s the min guarantee at 75 hrs. I don’t know if any NB CA is working that little. Most doing 80-85. Per Diem. Training. Few more extras. Edit to add when you’re getting 80-85 you’re only sitting in the seat for maybe 60-65.

[Col. Panic]

Aircanada pay rates

Do these 2022 base rate increase at 2% per annum?
Let say, today a year 5 FO is making 109.58. Someone starting today on the same fleet and position could see a 10% bump (5x2%) 5 years from now, making the base salary 120.53?

I hope my question is clear.

Thanks

Yes.

Or hopefully better than that, because we negotiate better rates between now and 5 years from now.

[Victory]

In another thread a 10 year NB CA says they make $245k with 1 OT trip. Where does the extra $40-45k come from beyond the pay table above?

That’s the min guarantee at 75 hrs. I don’t know if any NB CA is working that little. Most doing 80-85. Per Diem. Training. Few more extras. Edit to add when you’re getting 80-85 you’re only sitting in the seat for maybe 60-65.

Thanks. How many credits does a WB FO average in a month? Can they also expect to make 25% more than the pay table?

[Hangry]

I couldn’t say. I know the Nav and Overseas pay WB pilots receive aren’t included in the pay tables but hopefully a WB pilot can chime in and let you know.

[Curiousflyer]

In another thread a 10 year NB CA says they make $245k with 1 OT trip. Where does the extra $40-45k come from beyond the pay table above?

The pay rates are hourly and within the bidding system you can ask for more hours, all training events aren’t included either.

The best rule of thumb at AC is take the hourly rate, multiply by 1000, that’s what you can expect to earn on your T4. So a 10 year 320 CA day night blended rate is $229/hr. You could expect to make $229k/yr. The same logic applies to widebody positions as well