how does your company rate????
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Read the following statement about SMS:
An organization should document and define the roles and responsibilities of all personnel in the safety management system. Furthermore, a statement should be made attesting that everyone has a responsibility for safety. This includes a commitment on the part of top management to be accountable for safety within the company. The dedication and involvement of top management towards safety and safety practices should be clearly visible. It is important that senior management is seen to provide a strong and active leadership role in the safety management system. This includes a commitment to provide the resources necessary to attain the strategic safety objectives established by the organization.
THE FUTURE PLANS OF TRANSPORT CANADA is to have every company down to the 703 operator on board in the next five years.
An organization should document and define the roles and responsibilities of all personnel in the safety management system. Furthermore, a statement should be made attesting that everyone has a responsibility for safety. This includes a commitment on the part of top management to be accountable for safety within the company. The dedication and involvement of top management towards safety and safety practices should be clearly visible. It is important that senior management is seen to provide a strong and active leadership role in the safety management system. This includes a commitment to provide the resources necessary to attain the strategic safety objectives established by the organization.
THE FUTURE PLANS OF TRANSPORT CANADA is to have every company down to the 703 operator on board in the next five years.
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At first I'd say theres no problem with self regulation, because most of us can take care of ourselves. But then I think a bit harder and remember there's a few bad companies that ruin it for all of us. In that case, Cat Driver might think TC is corrupt, but I'm sure corruption would present itself in a worse case in self regulation. We would risk having the public loose faith in aviation and be too scared to fly.
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RSC :
Eventually all of you will understand how TC works.
First let me state that I do not think TC is corrupt, far from it TC is the regulator and their mandate is to ensure the industry works within the regulations that are the law.
However there is a very identifiable group of TC management who are morally corrupt and are allowed to abuse their positions of power in some cases.
Until this culture at the top is changed the interaction between the regulator and us the regulated will leave something to be desired.
When you read most documents that are put out by any bureaucracy as big as TC you will note that it is couched in motherhood type issues that can not be denied, however taken in their whole context and read to the finish everything becomes blurred like feeding pablum in great quantities.
So please get something clear, I am not anti regulation nor anti TC as long as those who we are dealing with oversee the industry with integrity.
Self regulation on its own will not work....what is needed is self regulation overseen by a regulator that is evenly enforced and those regulating the industry have a bigger agenda than just CYA.
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Eventually all of you will understand how TC works.
First let me state that I do not think TC is corrupt, far from it TC is the regulator and their mandate is to ensure the industry works within the regulations that are the law.
However there is a very identifiable group of TC management who are morally corrupt and are allowed to abuse their positions of power in some cases.
Until this culture at the top is changed the interaction between the regulator and us the regulated will leave something to be desired.
When you read most documents that are put out by any bureaucracy as big as TC you will note that it is couched in motherhood type issues that can not be denied, however taken in their whole context and read to the finish everything becomes blurred like feeding pablum in great quantities.
So please get something clear, I am not anti regulation nor anti TC as long as those who we are dealing with oversee the industry with integrity.
Self regulation on its own will not work....what is needed is self regulation overseen by a regulator that is evenly enforced and those regulating the industry have a bigger agenda than just CYA.
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The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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Woah! I'm not sure what I said to spark that! I am in 100% agreement with you and I always was. All I was trying to do in my previous post was comparing the potential corruption of companies regulating themselves to your well documented dealings with TC. By no means was I trying to put you down, merely using a well known landmark of corruption that you have laid out in this board (or the old one), which I have no problem with. I also do understand that not ALL TC is corrupt, nor do I think you believe this either. I didn't say anything of the kind in my last post. It's just like if we were self regulated, not all companies would take advantage of this, only some. But in the end I am and always was in agreement with you.Cat Driver wrote:Eventually all of you will understand how TC works.
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So please get something clear, I am not anti regulation nor anti TC as long as those who we are dealing with oversee the industry with integrity.
Self regulation on its own will not work....what is needed is self regulation overseen by a regulator that is evenly enforced and those regulating the industry have a bigger agenda than just CYA.
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I may not understand TC as well as you do, but I would like to think that I'm learning in the right direction. From what I hear on here, and my own dealing with them, I've got a pretty good picture in my head of teh situation. They aren't enemies, nor are they bad. But there are a few who take advantage of their positions for their own advancements at the cost of others, or for whatever reason.
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In order for the SMS to work, the employees must see leadership from their employer, and the employer must see leadership from TC. Fortunatly, the TC that I deal with is proactive when it comes to giving advice and providing contructive critisism. The SMS has the potential to do great things. Let's just hope that it doesn't just become a pile of "red tape" that everybody complains about.


