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[cdnavater]

Ok, Mach1, you've asked a polite question. I'll attempt to give a polite but direct answer.

I answer in the context of one who hasn't worked on an hourly wage since I was a teenager. Near 40 years ago. Since then, commission, then my own business.

Short answer, it doesn't diminish me. It's the attitude that offends.

I AM on the side of Pilots receiving more pay -- especially younger pilots. None of us want to see a Colgan Air up here.

I have repeatedly posted about professional negotiation thoughts for young people, including exploring out of the box options.

Been Trolled.

Posted about financial wisdom.

Been Trolled.

I think when sharing with the general public or anyone who can help you, angry entitled rants get you no-where. Pilots are important, so are a whole host of other professionals like first responders and medical staff. Demeaning their role isn't going to win points.

Professional, assertive negotiation, mixed with HUMILITY, is the path to follow, IMO.

Gotta run.

When I look at the message, I see it slightly different. I see the frustration with the situation and the entrenched attitude of the companies involved towards devaluing the person as well as the work.


Enjoy the day,
Cheers

I sympathize, I really do.

That is not going to change by posting here, good as that might feel to vent. IMO there are 3 viable options to proceed for one who wants to effect change in their own destiny.

NONE of these choices are easy or comfortable. All will take personal sacrifice. Is what it is......

One is effective labour action to call attention. Fire your Union leaders if they won't represent you.

2 is getting unique training and qualifications, to stand out from the herd, and compensation would change appropriately.

3 would be my choice, and that is to leave Canada. Go to Asia / M East, live an adventure, make a killing, come back with a giant pile of PIC hours and experience, write your own ticket.

Rookie,
Plenty of pilots have gone overseas and come back, PIC doesn’t equate to writing your own ticket. To be honest I’m not quite sure what you mean by that.
All pilots who work for the airlines in Canada, start at the bottom of the list, 10,000, 20,000, 30,000 hours, doesn’t matter.
I started at the airline with 6000 hours of multi-turbine pic, one of the next new hire classes, was the first of the college program 250 hour pilots who made the exact same pay.
Back then it was 8-10 years to upgrade so I literally had no advantage other than I started before them so I would have upgraded before them. Today, coming with experience means you will likely upgrade before a low time pilot hired before you but certainly doesn’t equate to writing your own ticket.
What unique training would give pilots a leg up over the herd?

[Tbayer2021]

When I look at the message, I see it slightly different. I see the frustration with the situation and the entrenched attitude of the companies involved towards devaluing the person as well as the work.


Enjoy the day,
Cheers

I sympathize, I really do.

That is not going to change by posting here, good as that might feel to vent. IMO there are 3 viable options to proceed for one who wants to effect change in their own destiny.

NONE of these choices are easy or comfortable. All will take personal sacrifice. Is what it is......

One is effective labour action to call attention. Fire your Union leaders if they won't represent you.

2 is getting unique training and qualifications, to stand out from the herd, and compensation would change appropriately.

3 would be my choice, and that is to leave Canada. Go to Asia / M East, live an adventure, make a killing, come back with a giant pile of PIC hours and experience, write your own ticket.

Rookie,
Plenty of pilots have gone overseas and come back, PIC doesn’t equate to writing your own ticket. To be honest I’m not quite sure what you mean by that.
All pilots who work for the airlines in Canada, start at the bottom of the list, 10,000, 20,000, 30,000 hours, doesn’t matter.
I started at the airline with 6000 hours of multi-turbine pic, one of the next new hire classes, was the first of the college program 250 hour pilots who made the exact same pay.
Back then it was 8-10 years to upgrade so I literally had no advantage other than I started before them so I would have upgraded before them. Today, coming with experience means you will likely upgrade before a low time pilot hired before you but certainly doesn’t equate to writing your own ticket.
What unique training would give pilots a leg up over the herd?

Rookie likes to run his mouth about subjects he doesn't understand simply because he has a PPL and thinks that qualifies him to speak about matters affecting professional pilots.

The fact that he thinks you can write your own ticket with any airline in Canada tells you how much of a fundamental misunderstanding he has of the profession. Like any boomer, he probably thinks you can get hired by walking into a place of work and shaking some hands.

[Mach1]

I sympathize, I really do.

That is not going to change by posting here, good as that might feel to vent. IMO there are 3 viable options to proceed for one who wants to effect change in their own destiny.

NONE of these choices are easy or comfortable. All will take personal sacrifice. Is what it is......

One is effective labour action to call attention. Fire your Union leaders if they won't represent you.

This is happening right now. The union and it's leadership are ramping up as the process allows. No need for a firing as I am confident they are representing the desires of the group.

2 is getting unique training and qualifications, to stand out from the herd, and compensation would change appropriately.

Yes, one can absolutely specialize in aviation. Airline pilot is a specialization, within which are many subcategories.

3 would be my choice, and that is to leave Canada. Go to Asia / M East, live an adventure, make a killing, come back with a giant pile of PIC hours and experience, write your own ticket.

You can throw the hook into the water but you can't always get them to take the bait. Also, some people may not have the ability to go do the overseas contract for family or personal reasons.

I look forward to seeing a continued improvement in the Canadian aviation sector, in pay, in scheduling and in over all safety and career progression.

[rookiepilot]

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[rookiepilot]

Rookie,
Plenty of pilots have gone overseas and come back, PIC doesn’t equate to writing your own ticket. To be honest I’m not quite sure what you mean by that.
All pilots who work for the airlines in Canada, start at the bottom of the list, 10,000, 20,000, 30,000 hours, doesn’t matter.

That’s crazy to me.

I did not know that was the case. Aren’t there DEC positions?

[Mach1]

Short answer: No.

[twa22]

Rookie,
Plenty of pilots have gone overseas and come back, PIC doesn’t equate to writing your own ticket. To be honest I’m not quite sure what you mean by that.
All pilots who work for the airlines in Canada, start at the bottom of the list, 10,000, 20,000, 30,000 hours, doesn’t matter.

That’s crazy to me.

I did not know that was the case. Aren’t there DEC positions?

News flash, since the covid pandemic hit, there have been plenty of expats coming back home going right seat as most had no choice.

I have heard of some going to Air Canada, starting on flat pay at 60k a year. We're talking about a380 captains, with 10000-20000 hours total time, as an example, sitting right seat at AC, regardless of what type they are flying now, making 60k before tax, after making 200-300k CAD a year, IN HAND, NO TAX.

I don't have an exact number for you of how many expat captains have gone right seat at AC, but what I can tell you is I personally know a few expats who have come back and gone to various different airlines, at the bottom of list right seat. These are all captains or senior FOs, most with over 10000 hours.

The only large airline that has taken direct entry captains is Flair, and a good part of that has to do with their expansion over the years and the need for high time captains. Just have a look on linkedin, type pilot then some legacy airline that is known for having mainly expats, and you will see a large swath of pilots that are now back in Canada. Some have stayed here, others have gone back when they got the opportunity... Like others have said, some can't go outside of Canada for various reasons, and others don't want to, much like how after the pandemic, some who could have gone back to their former airline outside of Canada decided not to

So before you say we are all entitled and should do x, y, z...there are so many variables that go into it, I don't think you quite understand the whole picture. I'm sure you have gained a lot of great experience in your life and ventures, but that doesn't always apply here, it really doesn't

[rookiepilot]

Rookie,
Plenty of pilots have gone overseas and come back, PIC doesn’t equate to writing your own ticket. To be honest I’m not quite sure what you mean by that.
All pilots who work for the airlines in Canada, start at the bottom of the list, 10,000, 20,000, 30,000 hours, doesn’t matter.

That’s crazy to me.

I did not know that was the case. Aren’t there DEC positions?

News flash, since the covid pandemic hit, there have been plenty of expats coming back home going right seat as most had no choice.

I have heard of some going to Air Canada, starting on flat pay at 60k a year. We're talking about a380 captains, with 10000-20000 hours total time, as an example, sitting right seat at AC, regardless of what type they are flying now, making 60k before tax, after making 200-300k CAD a year, IN HAND, NO TAX.

I don't have an exact number for you of how many expat captains have gone right seat at AC, but what I can tell you is I personally know a few expats who have come back and gone to various different airlines, at the bottom of list right seat. These are all captains or senior FOs, most with over 10000 hours.

The only large airline that has taken direct entry captains is Flair, and a good part of that has to do with their expansion over the years and the need for high time captains. Just have a look on linkedin, type pilot then some legacy airline that is known for having mainly expats, and you will see a large swath of pilots that are now back in Canada. Some have stayed here, others have gone back when they got the opportunity... Like others have said, some can't go outside of Canada for various reasons, and others don't want to, much like how after the pandemic, some who could have gone back to their former airline outside of Canada decided not to

So before you say we are all entitled and should do x, y, z...there are so many variables that go into it, I don't think you quite understand the whole picture. I'm sure you have gained a lot of great experience in your life and ventures, but that doesn't always apply here, it really doesn't

Fair. I had no idea…experience is that worthless in Canada. That is sad.

I don’t understand seniority based systems. Obviously!

[Tbayer2021]

That’s crazy to me.

I did not know that was the case. Aren’t there DEC positions?

News flash, since the covid pandemic hit, there have been plenty of expats coming back home going right seat as most had no choice.

I have heard of some going to Air Canada, starting on flat pay at 60k a year. We're talking about a380 captains, with 10000-20000 hours total time, as an example, sitting right seat at AC, regardless of what type they are flying now, making 60k before tax, after making 200-300k CAD a year, IN HAND, NO TAX.

I don't have an exact number for you of how many expat captains have gone right seat at AC, but what I can tell you is I personally know a few expats who have come back and gone to various different airlines, at the bottom of list right seat. These are all captains or senior FOs, most with over 10000 hours.

The only large airline that has taken direct entry captains is Flair, and a good part of that has to do with their expansion over the years and the need for high time captains. Just have a look on linkedin, type pilot then some legacy airline that is known for having mainly expats, and you will see a large swath of pilots that are now back in Canada. Some have stayed here, others have gone back when they got the opportunity... Like others have said, some can't go outside of Canada for various reasons, and others don't want to, much like how after the pandemic, some who could have gone back to their former airline outside of Canada decided not to

So before you say we are all entitled and should do x, y, z...there are so many variables that go into it, I don't think you quite understand the whole picture. I'm sure you have gained a lot of great experience in your life and ventures, but that doesn't always apply here, it really doesn't

Fair. I had no idea…experience is that worthless in Canada. That is sad.

I don’t understand seniority based systems. Obviously!

It is indeed very sad. The system has its pros and cons, and thats probably its greatest weakness. It shackles you to one airline and disincentivizes movement the longer you stay with your employer. This hands a lot of negotiating capital to the airlines.

On the topic of you not liking the delivery of our message. You couldn't be a larger hypocrite if you tried. You've spent so long opining about a subject you clearly don't know about with a stereotypical "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" message that it borders on comedy. You're literally the walking definition of a boomer. Thinking the world hasn't changed or that whatever worked for you before must surely work elsewhere. Without taking the time to understand why things are the way they are. You just expect others to listen simply because you're a successful business owner. Maybe there is a little bit more to the equation than you realize and either keep your mouth shut if you don't know, or take the time to ask why things are the way they are before offering outdated or irrelevant opinions.

[rookiepilot]

On the topic of you not liking the delivery of our message. You couldn't be a larger hypocrite if you tried. You've spent so long opining about a subject you clearly don't know about with a stereotypical "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" message that it borders on comedy. You're literally the walking definition of a boomer. Thinking the world hasn't changed or that whatever worked for you before must surely work elsewhere. Without taking the time to understand why things are the way they are. You just expect others to listen simply because you're a successful business owner. Maybe there is a little bit more to the equation than you realize and either keep your mouth shut if you don't know, or take the time to ask why things are the way they are before offering outdated or irrelevant opinions.

What are you going to do about your situation Tbayer?

Many years ago I was in a somewhat similar situation. I was an employee in an industry with no future, in which my hours were certain to go up and my compensation down.

I chose to uproot everything, roll the dice, move across the country, and start my business on a shoestring. It was insanely risky, insanely stressful, but…it worked. Bigly.

I didn’t bitch and whine on the Internet, and troll people willing to offer advice, I’ll tell you that much.

What are you going to do? What’s your long term plan?

[photofly]

The real question here is, "Why are these other people so against you getting better pay and working conditions? What is their motivation to see you make less?"

How about explaining (yes, I am looking at you photofly and rookiepilot) how pilots getting paid more directly hurts you and why you are so against it?

I"m not against pilots getting paid more. I certainly don't want them to get paid less. What I did do was post some suggestions about why the pilot career ladder doesn't lend itself naturally to higher salaries, and how that might change You might not agree or find them practical or helpful, but at least I put some effort into thinking about it.

I also I don't think comparisons with other jobs are very helpful. Every job has pros and cons, and every job-holder (yes, every single one!) believes with complete sincerity that they deserve more, and their job is uniquely challenging and under-appreciated. Everyone who does any job for long enough builds up a long list of resentments and issues. That's human nature. Ripplerock wrote convincingly about some of the downsides of this career. There are upsides too.

Hopefully airline pilots can make a more compelling case for better pay than "the universe owes us more than people who do <x> just 'because'". There's no ethical or moral scale of who gets paid what, and there's no arbiter to appeal to on that basis.

[rookiepilot]

During the 2008/09 recession. Delta management came looking for concessions from the pilots claiming it was an existential crisis. The union caved and gave somewhere in the area of $600M in total concessions. Not long after (a month or two from what I recall the Delta MEC member telling me) the company announced bonuses totalling around $600M for their executives, during an earnings call. Quite the coincidence, no? He told me that since that moment, the Union took the stance of "We will bankrupt the company before we give anymore concessions".

The results of a less humble and more hardline approach speak for themselves.

Humility may have served you well during your life and small business ventures, Rookie. I'm not saying it should be ignored. But in the world of large airlines and multi billion dollar negotiations, humility won't get you very far.

And while you're claiming to be the victim of trolling, maybe take a look in the mirror and reflect as to the reason why this has been a constant response to many of your posts. If it smells everywhere you go, check under your own shoe. Or so they say.

You are confusing assertive, professional negotiation, which I endorse, with personal humility in individual interactions.

2 different things.

[Tbayer2021]

On the topic of you not liking the delivery of our message. You couldn't be a larger hypocrite if you tried. You've spent so long opining about a subject you clearly don't know about with a stereotypical "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" message that it borders on comedy. You're literally the walking definition of a boomer. Thinking the world hasn't changed or that whatever worked for you before must surely work elsewhere. Without taking the time to understand why things are the way they are. You just expect others to listen simply because you're a successful business owner. Maybe there is a little bit more to the equation than you realize and either keep your mouth shut if you don't know, or take the time to ask why things are the way they are before offering outdated or irrelevant opinions.

What are you going to do about your situation Tbayer?

Many years ago I was in a somewhat similar situation. I was an employee in an industry with no future, in which my hours were certain to go up and my compensation down.

I chose to uproot everything, roll the dice, move across the country, and start my business on a shoestring. It was insanely risky, insanely stressful, but…it worked. Bigly.

I didn’t bitch and whine on the Internet, and troll people willing to offer advice, I’ll tell you that much.

What are you going to do? What’s your long term plan?

Have you not noticed that I've never asked you to explain yourself to me? Thats because you don't owe me anything, not even an explanation. On that same tune, I don't owe you a single thing. Specially not to someone that sees nothing wrong with opining about a subject they clearly know very little, if anything about. But I'll indulge you because you clearly assume that anyone who bitches on avcanada must not be doing anything else. I guess by that logic I should be questioning all your claims.

Anyways. I'm brand new at my current outfit and have some things to learn before I join the union and help with change initiatives. But I was part of it at my previous job and volunteered my time towards union/pilot causes.

On a more personal note, I believe firmly in financial independence from your employer. Because I believe one should love their job, but not their employer. Following that logic, I've been an investor since I was 18 and currently have a few properties to my name that make me rent money every month. I also trade options with my money. But don't worry, I'm not doing anything naked so no need to lecture me on the risks of that. Just selling covered calls on very blue chip stocks, which translates to low premiums, I know. But it substantially decreases my risk. I think the riskiest options I do is buying deep in the money calls with high Delta. But even that isn't risky with non volatile stocks.

But you know what I don't do? I don't go around professional traders telling them how to do their job simply because I know how to do a very specific thing. I don't pontificate to land developers simply because I've found success with a few properties.

Again, maybe the reason you find so many not taking a liking to your comments is more to do with your delivery than your message. Because from the first time I remember seeing your posts, you come off as an arrogant, condescending individual. It was the cherry on top to see you admitting that you have no idea how the one thing that affects everything from pay to quality of life for a pilot, works. Yet you see thing wrong with telling us your opinions on what we should do. Stay in your lane and feel free to pontificate on whatever the @#$! you've been so successful at.

[rookiepilot]

On the topic of you not liking the delivery of our message. You couldn't be a larger hypocrite if you tried. You've spent so long opining about a subject you clearly don't know about with a stereotypical "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" message that it borders on comedy. You're literally the walking definition of a boomer. Thinking the world hasn't changed or that whatever worked for you before must surely work elsewhere. Without taking the time to understand why things are the way they are. You just expect others to listen simply because you're a successful business owner. Maybe there is a little bit more to the equation than you realize and either keep your mouth shut if you don't know, or take the time to ask why things are the way they are before offering outdated or irrelevant opinions.

What are you going to do about your situation Tbayer?

Many years ago I was in a somewhat similar situation. I was an employee in an industry with no future, in which my hours were certain to go up and my compensation down.

I chose to uproot everything, roll the dice, move across the country, and start my business on a shoestring. It was insanely risky, insanely stressful, but…it worked. Bigly.

I didn’t bitch and whine on the Internet, and troll people willing to offer advice, I’ll tell you that much.

What are you going to do? What’s your long term plan?

Have you not noticed that I've never asked you to explain yourself to me? Thats because you don't owe me anything, not even an explanation. On that same tune, I don't owe you a single thing. Specially not to someone that sees nothing wrong with opining about a subject they clearly know very little, if anything about. But I'll indulge you because you clearly assume that anyone who bitches on avcanada must not be doing anything else. I guess by that logic I should be questioning all your claims.

Anyways. I'm brand new at my current outfit and have some things to learn before I join the union and help with change initiatives. But I was part of it at my previous job and volunteered my time towards union/pilot causes.

On a more personal note, I believe firmly in financial independence from your employer. Because I believe one should love their job, but not their employer. Following that logic, I've been an investor since I was 18 and currently have a few properties to my name that make me rent money every month. I also trade options with my money. But don't worry, I'm not doing anything naked so no need to lecture me on the risks of that. Just selling covered calls on very blue chip stocks, which translates to low premiums, I know. But it substantially decreases my risk. I think the riskiest options I do is buying deep in the money calls with high Delta. But even that isn't risky with non volatile stocks.

But you know what I don't do? I don't go around professional traders telling them how to do their job simply because I know how to do a very specific thing. I don't pontificate to land developers simply because I've found success with a few properties.

Again, maybe the reason you find so many not taking a liking to your comments is more to do with your delivery than your message. Because from the first time I remember seeing your posts, you come off as an arrogant, condescending individual. It was the cherry on top to see you admitting that you have no idea how the one thing that affects everything from pay to quality of life for a pilot, works. Yet you see thing wrong with telling us your opinions on what we should do. Stay in your lane and feel free to pontificate on whatever the @#$! you've been so successful at.

Arrogant?

That is the issue with these posts. Egomaniac city.

When I see repeated posts that reek of “I far am MORE important than the doctors / nurses / paramedics / firefighters of the world, and should get paid more than any of them at 250 hours”, I get offended.

STFU with that attitude and I’ll stay out of this lane.

[Tbayer2021]

What are you going to do about your situation Tbayer?

Many years ago I was in a somewhat similar situation. I was an employee in an industry with no future, in which my hours were certain to go up and my compensation down.

I chose to uproot everything, roll the dice, move across the country, and start my business on a shoestring. It was insanely risky, insanely stressful, but…it worked. Bigly.

I didn’t bitch and whine on the Internet, and troll people willing to offer advice, I’ll tell you that much.

What are you going to do? What’s your long term plan?

Have you not noticed that I've never asked you to explain yourself to me? Thats because you don't owe me anything, not even an explanation. On that same tune, I don't owe you a single thing. Specially not to someone that sees nothing wrong with opining about a subject they clearly know very little, if anything about. But I'll indulge you because you clearly assume that anyone who bitches on avcanada must not be doing anything else. I guess by that logic I should be questioning all your claims.

Anyways. I'm brand new at my current outfit and have some things to learn before I join the union and help with change initiatives. But I was part of it at my previous job and volunteered my time towards union/pilot causes.

On a more personal note, I believe firmly in financial independence from your employer. Because I believe one should love their job, but not their employer. Following that logic, I've been an investor since I was 18 and currently have a few properties to my name that make me rent money every month. I also trade options with my money. But don't worry, I'm not doing anything naked so no need to lecture me on the risks of that. Just selling covered calls on very blue chip stocks, which translates to low premiums, I know. But it substantially decreases my risk. I think the riskiest options I do is buying deep in the money calls with high Delta. But even that isn't risky with non volatile stocks.

But you know what I don't do? I don't go around professional traders telling them how to do their job simply because I know how to do a very specific thing. I don't pontificate to land developers simply because I've found success with a few properties.

Again, maybe the reason you find so many not taking a liking to your comments is more to do with your delivery than your message. Because from the first time I remember seeing your posts, you come off as an arrogant, condescending individual. It was the cherry on top to see you admitting that you have no idea how the one thing that affects everything from pay to quality of life for a pilot, works. Yet you see thing wrong with telling us your opinions on what we should do. Stay in your lane and feel free to pontificate on whatever the @#$! you've been so successful at.

Arrogant?

That is the issue with these posts. Egomaniac city.

When I see repeated posts that reek of “I far am MORE important than the doctors / nurses / paramedics / firefighters of the world, and should get paid more than any of them at 250 hours”, I get offended.

STFU with that attitude and I’ll stay out of this lane.

Yes, arrogant and a multitude of other adjectives. You've admitted to not knowing basic facts about pilot employment in Canada and yet don't see anything wrong with continuing to talk about things you know nothing about.

[averageatbest]

Pilots deserve to be paid a salary that they can raise a family on.

We deserve to be paid more than a new manager at a McDonalds.

We deserve to have the ability to be at home and see our family more than a handful of times per month.

[rookiepilot]

Pilots deserve to be paid a salary that they can raise a family on.

We deserve to be paid more than a new manager at a McDonalds.

We deserve to have the ability to be at home and see our family more than a handful of times per month.

No one is disputing that.

Going after first responders and highly trained medical staff is not the way to gain support.

[averageatbest]

Pilots deserve to be paid a salary that they can raise a family on.

We deserve to be paid more than a new manager at a McDonalds.

We deserve to have the ability to be at home and see our family more than a handful of times per month.

No one is disputing that.

Going after first responders and highly trained medical staff is not the way to gain support.

First responders and "highly trained" medical staff are irrelevant to the conversation and this forum.

[rookiepilot]

Pilots deserve to be paid a salary that they can raise a family on.

We deserve to be paid more than a new manager at a McDonalds.

We deserve to have the ability to be at home and see our family more than a handful of times per month.

No one is disputing that.

Going after first responders and highly trained medical staff is not the way to gain support.

First responders and "highly trained" medical staff are irrelevant to the conversation and this forum.

Tell the posters that who say the pilot should be highest paid person on board the aircraft.

That is where you lost me.

[averageatbest]

Tell the posters that who say the pilot should be highest paid person on board the aircraft.

That is where you lost me.

Unless the CEO is on board, the pilots should be the highest paid employee on board.

Last I checked, airlines don't employ first responders or medical staff.

[rookiepilot]

Tell the posters that who say the pilot should be highest paid person on board the aircraft.

That is where you lost me.

Unless the CEO is on board, the pilots should be the highest paid employee on board.

Last I checked, airlines don't employ first responders or medical staff.

READ the other threads. Everyone is saying the PIC should be the highest paid PERSON on board. Including passengers!

[twa22]

Tell the posters that who say the pilot should be highest paid person on board the aircraft.

That is where you lost me.

Unless the CEO is on board, the pilots should be the highest paid employee on board.

Last I checked, airlines don't employ first responders or medical staff.

READ the other threads. Everyone is saying the PIC should be the highest paid PERSON on board. Including passengers!

Holy crap dude... do you understand that when someone says the PIC should be the highest paid person on board, that means the highest paid person who is WORKING on the aircraft, last I checked, a passenger is a paying customer who is not WORKING

I don't recall anyone saying that the PIC should be the highest paid person on board an aircraft at all times, including all the PAX, that's ludicrous... corporate aviation wouldn't exist if that were case, as probably 99% of paying customers on a private jet make far more then the PIC does

Get off the forums man, you're taking things way out of context

[Anonymouse]

Rookiepilot, I'm sure if you read through every single thread on avcanada you will eventually find someone who possibly implied thr PIC should be the best paid person on the planet.

But come on. None of us believe that. Grow up.

Your understanding of this industry is completely wrong. Experience means nothing without seniority, you can work your whole life and then a company folds and you're down to earning $57,000 a year. And going overseas isn't the answer. Not everyone wants to work in the middle east. What dies it say about canada if the best solution is to just get the hell out.

I'm so tired of people who aren't professional pilots coming onto a forum for professional pilots and telling them how they should feel about union negotiations that they have no stake in.

[rookiepilot]

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[digits_]

Personally;

I am a little tired of almost every thread being hijacked