Federal budget 2023- emerging from covid

[rando]

The budget will balance itself. The 5 year plan, well... Covid.

And now we have another 5 years ahead with no plan to balance anything.

Here are some highlights...

$158 million over three years for a suicide prevention hotline, launching Nov. 30.

$4B over five years for an Indigenous housing strategy.

$20B over six years for tax credits to promote investment in green technologies. - guess who will get this $.

$13B over five years to implement dental care plan for families earning less than $90K - This is Jags contribution . I heard some discussions ongoing in some unions to drop dental plan coverage though work, as anyone with a work plan can't tap into Jags free dental. Good way to leverage some gains elsewhere folks! May as well take some gravy wherever you can find it!

Federal deficit climbs to over 31g per person. Money printer go brrrrrrrrr!

Young people are not happy. The assetless young working class see a budget they will have to pay for yet have very little to receive from. "Not poor enough for any help, rich enough to pay all these taxes. The Canadian Dream".

Recent survey that breaks down age and gender voting preferences. I thought this was interesting. 65 plus age demographic are the biggest liberal supporters. Generation "got mine!". I think this means the millennials should thank their parents for Trudeau and his snazy budget they will pay for. lol

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[khedrei]

Also interesting is that there is an age group that thinks Jagmeet could run a country. As much as I dont think anyone could be worse for canada than JT.... if it were Jagmeet.... I dunno.

[Bingo Fuel]

Interesting chart. Let's take an average of the numbers from ages 18-64:

Liberals: 23.7
Conservatives: 31.7
NDP: 28.6

Why yes, the Liberals seem to be supported mostly by retirees, but the NDP and the Conservatives are nearly tied.

Let's take it one step further and look at ages 18-49:

Liberals: 18.5
Conservatives: 30
NDP: 34

It's no mystery that the Liberals are unpopular among people under 50. Why aren't the Conservatives doing better than the NDP among workers?

[pelmet]

It's no mystery that the Liberals are unpopular among people under 50. Why aren't the Conservatives doing better than the NDP among workers?

Did you account for the China factor?

[Bingo Fuel]

It's no mystery that the Liberals are unpopular among people under 50. Why aren't the Conservatives doing better than the NDP among workers?

Did you account for the China factor?

The poll seems to be from Feb 24 to March 13 2023. I believe Rando pulled it from this Ekos poll:

https://www.ekospolitics.com/index.php/ ... -gridlock/

If you want more details, read the Ekos report yourself. It does not mention China. Perhaps you should ask Rando why he chose this particular poll. If you don't like that one, I'm sure you can find one here that you'd like better:

https://338canada.com/polls.htm

Either way, I wouldn't worry too much about it. The Conservatives are comfortably in the lead in most of the polls.

[Inverted2]

Don’t forget your CATSA fees are going up for you commuters too. Keep voting Lieberal!

[rando]

Here are the numbers from 2004, when they reduced the fees after 9/11. Initially they budgeted for lower demand travel, as things picked up adjustments were made.

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The new proposed 2024 fees exceed inflation by about 10 percent with my rough calculations. Probably because like 9/11, they are looking to recover the losses of the previous couple of years. Just another small example of how we will pay for the mismanagement and wealth transfer of the “pandemic”.

Wages will remain low, expenses will rise, government and corporations will fill their boots, and indirectly or unintentionally this is what the people asked for.

Hell, Trudeau has announced 20 billion for green shit! Do you think when green shit corporations get these subsidies, the plan is to forward the savings to the consumers? Why is R and D all paid by the taxpayers today, zero risks to the businesses. No accountability. And after the taxpayers fund these projects then we get to spend more and buy the green shit they crap out for us. Half of these subsidies will go to Trudeau friends and they will be mini companies that fail with zero production… **cough cough arrivecan, cough beeping bracelet cough cough** companies will just disappear and so will the money. Commi Capitalism.

[Bingo Fuel]

Looks like most people don't know what Socialism means, but they seem to like it when the government spends money.

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sites/d ... olling.pdf

I think most Canadians want something like the democratic socialism of Sweden or Denmark.

[rando]

Sweden is a great example of what Canadians "think they want". Perfect example of how socialism doesn't work.

Canadians think they want the Sweden of 40 years ago... All that fell apart and Sweden is a more free country today than Canada as they ditched the radical left NDP type BS. They also didn't go authoritarian over a flu, and managed covid 10x better.

[mmm...bacon]

Sweden is a great example of what Canadians "think they want". Perfect example of how socialism doesn't work.

Canadians think they want the Sweden of 40 years ago... All that fell apart and Sweden is a more free country today than Canada as they ditched the radical left NDP type BS. They also didn't go authoritarian over a flu, and managed covid 10x better.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

Scroll down a little, and you'll see that Sweden had a fataliy rate of .9%, and deaths/100,000 of 235.43; Canada, on the other hand: 1.1%, and 135.23 deaths/100000 population.

I guess it depends on what metric you use to measure "managed covid 10x better," but to my mind, only a sociopath would describe a per-capita deathrate 1.74x worse as being 'managed better...'

[khedrei]

Sweden is a great example of what Canadians "think they want". Perfect example of how socialism doesn't work.

Canadians think they want the Sweden of 40 years ago... All that fell apart and Sweden is a more free country today than Canada as they ditched the radical left NDP type BS. They also didn't go authoritarian over a flu, and managed covid 10x better.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

Scroll down a little, and you'll see that Sweden had a fataliy rate of .9%, and deaths/100,000 of 235.43; Canada, on the other hand: 1.1%, and 135.23 deaths/100000 population.

I guess it depends on what metric you use to measure "managed covid 10x better," but to my mind, only a sociopath would describe a per-capita deathrate 1.74x worse as being 'managed better...'

Sorry... im not following.

Higher fatality rate is better?

Or is .9 bigger than 1.1 using your math?

[rando]

Check out these approval ratings.

Realistic approach to a complex issue. Only our dumb experts used one metric to measure success. Their mantra was only covid deaths matter. Economy, who cares, public trust, who cares, other disease and healthcare needs, not our problem. Authoritarianisim, mandates shutting down economy is the only way. Never mind that one of the most significant predictors of health is wealth. You cripple your economy you cripple the health of your nation.

From wiki and yes I stand by my statement that they did 10x better:

Despite scepticism and criticism from a number of doctors and medical experts, as well as international news media, Sweden defended its strategy, with Prime Minister Stefan Löfven referring to "common sense" and Tegnell saying that the strategy is rooted in a "long tradition" of respecting "free will", as well as the high level of trust and respect Swedes have for public authorities.[19] According to a survey conducted by Sifo, the population's confidence in the Public Health Agency increased from 65 percent to 74 percent between 9–12 March and 21–25 March.[30] A March 2020 survey, carried out by the same company for TV4, showed more than half (53%) of the Swedish population had trust in Tegnell, a higher number than for any of the current leaders of the Swedish political parties, while 18% said they didn't trust the state epidemiologist.[31] In an April survey, the share who said they trusted Tegnell had increased to 69%, while the number who said they didn't trust their state epidemiologist had fallen to 11%.[32][33]

The strategy was commonly attributed to Tegnell,[23] who was quoted as saying:[19]

We have so far not had very much of a spread [of the virus] into old age homes and almost no spread into the hospitals, which is very important... We know that [with] these kinds of voluntary measures that we put in place in Sweden, we can basically go on with them for months and years if necessary. [The economy] has the potential to start moving as usual very, very quickly once these things are over.

and:[19]

In Sweden we are following the tradition that we have in Sweden and working very much with voluntary measures, very much with informing the public about the right things to do. That has worked reasonably well so far.

Most of Sweden pandemic criticism came from outside international media. No shit... They wanted to shame common sense and tell the world that is bad and we need to trust commi style authoritarianism government. Meanwhile the people of Sweden are like "what the f is going on in Canada, so glad I live here"

[Bingo Fuel]

Check out these approval ratings.
...
I stand by my statement that they did 10x better:

I like Sweden. Quite a lot. I do not like the way they handled COVID, but I still like them as a country. The Sweden of today, not the one of 40 years ago.

I think Canada should be much more like them. Maybe that's something we can agree on?

[khedrei]

Check out these approval ratings.

Realistic approach to a complex issue. Only our dumb experts used one metric to measure success. Their mantra was only covid deaths matter. Economy, who cares, public trust, who cares, other disease and healthcare needs, not our problem. Authoritarianisim, mandates shutting down economy is the only way. Never mind that one of the most significant predictors of health is wealth. You cripple your economy you cripple the health of your nation.

From wiki and yes I stand by my statement that they did 10x better:

Despite scepticism and criticism from a number of doctors and medical experts, as well as international news media, Sweden defended its strategy, with Prime Minister Stefan Löfven referring to "common sense" and Tegnell saying that the strategy is rooted in a "long tradition" of respecting "free will", as well as the high level of trust and respect Swedes have for public authorities.[19] According to a survey conducted by Sifo, the population's confidence in the Public Health Agency increased from 65 percent to 74 percent between 9–12 March and 21–25 March.[30] A March 2020 survey, carried out by the same company for TV4, showed more than half (53%) of the Swedish population had trust in Tegnell, a higher number than for any of the current leaders of the Swedish political parties, while 18% said they didn't trust the state epidemiologist.[31] In an April survey, the share who said they trusted Tegnell had increased to 69%, while the number who said they didn't trust their state epidemiologist had fallen to 11%.[32][33]

The strategy was commonly attributed to Tegnell,[23] who was quoted as saying:[19]

We have so far not had very much of a spread [of the virus] into old age homes and almost no spread into the hospitals, which is very important... We know that [with] these kinds of voluntary measures that we put in place in Sweden, we can basically go on with them for months and years if necessary. [The economy] has the potential to start moving as usual very, very quickly once these things are over.

and:[19]

In Sweden we are following the tradition that we have in Sweden and working very much with voluntary measures, very much with informing the public about the right things to do. That has worked reasonably well so far.

Most of Sweden pandemic criticism came from outside international media. No shit... They wanted to shame common sense and tell the world that is bad and we need to trust commi style authoritarianism government. Meanwhile the people of Sweden are like "what the f is going on in Canada, so glad I live here"

Haven't you been paying attention? The only thing that matters is covid deaths. Or to be more accurate, deaths after a positive covid test.

All other deaths and despair, EVERYTHING else is of absolutely no importance.

WAKE UP RANDO!!

[cdnavater]

Sweden is a great example of what Canadians "think they want". Perfect example of how socialism doesn't work.

Canadians think they want the Sweden of 40 years ago... All that fell apart and Sweden is a more free country today than Canada as they ditched the radical left NDP type BS. They also didn't go authoritarian over a flu, and managed covid 10x better.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

Scroll down a little, and you'll see that Sweden had a fataliy rate of .9%, and deaths/100,000 of 235.43; Canada, on the other hand: 1.1%, and 135.23 deaths/100000 population.

I guess it depends on what metric you use to measure "managed covid 10x better," but to my mind, only a sociopath would describe a per-capita deathrate 1.74x worse as being 'managed better...'

Sorry... im not following.

Higher fatality rate is better?

Or is .9 bigger than 1.1 using your math?

Sorry, I’m not following you, is 235.43/100,000 more than 135.23deaths/100,000 using your math.
The way I’m reading those numbers, less people who were confirmed to have Covid died but in Sweden almost twice as many per 100,000 of the population died, a higher per capita death seems worse to me

[rookiepilot]

Trudeau tells people to use their credit card to help the economy.

https://twitter.com/AmazingZoltan/statu ... 8010147841