CBAA wants to change fatigue rules already

[JHR]

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Sounds like the management companies are having a hard time crewing airplanes with two pilots so they are trying to change fatigue rules. Shocking...

[Jet Jockey]

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Sounds like the management companies are having a hard time crewing airplanes with two pilots so they are trying to change fatigue rules. Shocking...

To be fair even aircrafts crewed with over 3 pilots per aircraft are having a hard time making it worked.

The new rules are clearly made for airline operations not corporate aviation and thus they should be allowed to be adjusted to the reality of corporate aviation while remaining safe.

As an example, two years ago I was on a 3 and a half week trip in Europe where we had plenty of non flying days between trips but the main passenger wanted to go from Brussels back to Paris before the next leg which cut into one of our "mandatory" 3 days without flying for the next leg from Paris to Madrid.

We did the 30 minute flight between Brussels and Paris and a new crew had to be deadheaded to Paris from Montreal in business class to complete the two remaining legs of the trip... we took the airline back home in business class. So for a 30 minute trip, we the acclimated crew to the Euro time zone (3 and a half weeks in Europe), had to get off and allow a non acclimated crew to take over for a flight from Paris to Madrid and two days later from Madrid to Montreal... TC and their ridiculous rules... makes it a lot of sense and it is so, so much safer!

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Sounds like the management companies are having a hard time crewing airplanes with two pilots so they are trying to change fatigue rules. Shocking...

To be fair even aircrafts crewed with over 3 pilots per aircraft are having a hard time making it worked.

The new rules are clearly made for airline operations not corporate aviation and thus they should be allowed to be adjusted to the reality of corporate aviation while remaining safe.

As an example, two years ago I was on a 3 and a half week trip in Europe where we had plenty of non flying days between trips but the main passenger wanted to go from Brussels back to Paris before the next leg which cut into one of our "mandatory" 3 days without flying for the next leg from Paris to Madrid.

We did the 30 minute flight between Brussels and pairs and a new crew had to be deadheaded to Paris from Montreal in business class to complete the two remaining legs of the trip... we took the airline back home in business class. So for a 30 minute trip, we the acclimated crew to the Euro time zone (3 and a half weeks in Europe), had to get off and allow a non acclimated crew to take over for a flight from Paris to Madrid and two days later from Madrid to Montreal... TC and their ridiculous rules... makes it a lot of sense and it is so, so much safer!

Just because it might not work as you would have liked for this particular situation, doesn't mean the rules are bad. Operators have had ample chance to improve their working conditions, but it's been fairly obvious a significant portion of them will operate to the edge (and over) what the rules allowed.

Weren't 604 ops exempt anyways?

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Sounds like the management companies are having a hard time crewing airplanes with two pilots so they are trying to change fatigue rules. Shocking...

604 won't make a lick of difference.

It's all the ones trying to milk the 704 teet with the minimum amount of resources possible. Nails on a chalkboard trying to get the current set of managers to think outside the box and build something unique.

Many Canadian owners are so attracted to being cheap that these managers have become their yes men for fear of losing the charter revenue. 50% of the time these managers screw the owner by catering to an unreasonable acquisition budget and put the owner in a legacy bird that doesn't suit their mission. The other 50% heavily over promise and undeliver on their ability to staff and maintain said bird.

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Sounds like the management companies are having a hard time crewing airplanes with two pilots so they are trying to change fatigue rules. Shocking...

Good, hopefully they can come up with something that is tailored to business ops and not just airline ops.