Negotiations

[Fanblade]

By stay the course I didn't mean stay at Jazz.

I meant don't give in

[CaptDukeNukem]

By stay the course I didn't mean stay at Jazz.

I meant don't give in

Ahh. My apologies. Then I’m in complete agreement with you. cheers

[Malfunction]

Pay rumors... I don't see this being real but since there's no communication from Claude this is all we got.

[rudder]

Pay rumors... I don't see this being real but since there's no communication from Claude this is all we got.

There is no such thing as a ‘day rate’ at Jazz.

That would be a new concept.

[rudder]

Regardless, this is not the beginning of the process, but rather the end.

Jazz (and AC) will either decide to put up a fight and attempt to sustain the Express operation or simply throw in the towel.

If it is surrender - then as much Express flying as possible will eventually be covered by mainline NB, Rouge, UA,UA Express resulting in AC Express basically wound down to a skeleton operation.

The market has changed. Pilot supply is critical. Bets will be placed on whether it is more important to ensure mainline pilot supply over Express. It is primarily a Jazz problem but clearly AC is affected if CHR continues to struggle to meet its CPA obligations.

[truedude]

Pay rumors... I don't see this being real but since there's no communication from Claude this is all we got.

There is no such thing as a ‘day rate’ at Jazz.

That would be a new concept.

It is a concept I don't like. How would that work if your day goes over sched? We just work for free? And our pay scale needs to top out closer to 200,000 a year.

[cdnavater]

Pay rumors... I don't see this being real but since there's no communication from Claude this is all we got.

There is no such thing as a ‘day rate’ at Jazz.

That would be a new concept.

It is a concept I don't like. How would that work if your day goes over sched? We just work for free? And our pay scale needs to top out closer to 200,000 a year.

I sure hope it’s not that, take the salary and divide it by the day rate, every level is 18 days per month. Without some type of max credit or max days it’s not something I would want for sure! Every day will be max duty day!
It’s a little late for April fools jokes isn’t it?

[capt_Z]

Pay rumors... I don't see this being real but since there's no communication from Claude this is all we got.

And where did you see this new payscale?

[KenoraPilot]

Pay rumors... I don't see this being real but since there's no communication from Claude this is all we got.

Jazz pay-scale has 18 years on it, not 6......wondering who's pay scale this? Sure doesn't look like a Jazz pay-scale, unless years 7-18 are cut off?

[Inverted2]

Anyone could have made that on a MS Excel type spreadsheet program.

[cdnavater]

Anyone could have made that on a MS Excel type spreadsheet program.

Funny though, it looks a lot like road show slides from previous contract road shows.
I can’t state this enough, the daily rate per annum ends up being 18 days per month, unless there is a high credit min day, this is lip stick on a pig, more days for more money is just more work

[accountant]

So you want to work less for more pay?

Are you a politician?

Get back to work and away from the trucker protests.

[rudder]

Anyone could have made that on a MS Excel type spreadsheet program.

Funny though, it looks a lot like road show slides from previous contract road shows.
I can’t state this enough, the daily rate per annum ends up being 18 days per month, unless there is a high credit min day, this is lip stick on a pig, more days for more money is just more work

There are a couple carriers with ‘day rates’ where they have max monthly work days (i.e. 14) and are paid monthly salary. CargoJet comes to mind.

It is almost certain that slide has nothing to do with Jazz and that Jazz will not be switching to a ‘day rate’ pay system.

[cdnavater]

Anyone could have made that on a MS Excel type spreadsheet program.

Funny though, it looks a lot like road show slides from previous contract road shows.
I can’t state this enough, the daily rate per annum ends up being 18 days per month, unless there is a high credit min day, this is lip stick on a pig, more days for more money is just more work

There are a couple carriers with ‘day rates’ where they have max monthly work days (i.e. 14) and are paid monthly salary. CargoJet comes to mind.

It is almost certain that slide has nothing to do with Jazz and that Jazz will not be switching to a ‘day rate’ pay system.

One things is for sure, if they did go to a day rate with max 14 days we would find out how efficient they could make pairings all of the sudden.

[khedrei]

So you want to work less for more pay?

Are you a politician?

Get back to work and away from the trucker protests.

Yeah... thats what the trucker protests were about.... wanting to get paid for doing less.

[truedude]

So you want to work less for more pay?

Are you a politician?

Get back to work and away from the trucker protests.

I want to be paid what I am worth. Which is a lot more than what I am currently making. We are severely underpaid in this country, and it is time to remedy that! Or they can keep losing pilots and keep shrinking the operation. The choice is theirs. But I'm prepared to see this through, and I can out wait them.

[belgianmoon]

Good Day,

Any updates on negotiations? Last I followed official meeting was on October 14?

Thank you

[truedude]

Good Day,

Any updates on negotiations? Last I followed official meeting was on October 14?

Thank you

They met again recently but no word yet. But it seems someone believes this entire situation is only temporary, an it will resolve itself in time. They just can't beleive that they might have to pay pilots more, and would rather keep shrinking.

Summer should be fun!

[canadian_aviator_4]

After this summer no idea how jazz will make it to and through summer 2024.

[swervin]

Unofficially from a good source. Company says they have no money to pay us. Air Canada doesn't want to give Chorus more money. Apparently MEC memo coming out this week.

[rudder]

Unofficially from a good source. Company says they have no money to pay us. Air Canada doesn't want to give Chorus more money. Apparently MEC memo coming out this week.

Hence corporate Plan B - allow Jazz to continue to shrink and backfill using mainline capacity and UAL/UA Express capacity.

Jazz pilots should be dusting off their resumes if not already done so. Porter should just set up an interview kiosk in Terminal 1.

[truedude]

Unofficially from a good source. Company says they have no money to pay us. Air Canada doesn't want to give Chorus more money. Apparently MEC memo coming out this week.

Heard something similar. Moral should be great. So fun working for a company that would rather shrink than pay properly. That is fine, they can shrink themselves into oblivion. I predict record book-offs this summer and spring, and probably within days of that memo coming out.

If you aren't on property, you should be looking everywhere else but here. If you are on property, you should be looking at going anywhere else.

These people are just incredible. Their stupidity is just shocking to witness firsthand. I am happy for them to choke on the current contract until they are prepared to pay 30% tomorrow, or it puts them out of business. Either option is fine by me.

[canadian_aviator_4]

Unofficially from a good source. Company says they have no money to pay us. Air Canada doesn't want to give Chorus more money. Apparently MEC memo coming out this week.

If this is the case, it sounds like neither company is interested in the long term future of jazz. Not sure what possibilities there are for jazz but nothing that is very promising.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Unofficially from a good source. Company says they have no money to pay us. Air Canada doesn't want to give Chorus more money. Apparently MEC memo coming out this week.

Heard something similar. Moral should be great. So fun working for a company that would rather shrink than pay properly. That is fine, they can shrink themselves into oblivion. I predict record book-offs this summer and spring, and probably within days of that memo coming out.

If you aren't on property, you should be looking everywhere else but here. If you are on property, you should be looking at going anywhere else.

These people are just incredible. Their stupidity is just shocking to witness firsthand. I am happy for them to choke on the current contract until they are prepared to pay 30% tomorrow, or it puts them out of business. Either option is fine by me.

I expect many other carriers HR departments will be sifting through resumes once that memo comes in, if it does say in fact what is being rumored.

[Inverted2]

Maybe this is all intentional? Does management realize the revolving door with all the training costs more than giving a proper raise? Are they that blind?