Calm Air Pay

[C-GGGQ]

That 52 is only if you come with over 1000 hrs. Base salary for entry level is still 41.03

[CaptDukeNukem]

The goal is higher wages for everyone.

The FAs are all working together across companies for higher wages.
Its beneficial if the pilots support the FAs and pilots support other pilots.

https://unpaidworkwontfly.ca/

You’re right. Working together is good.

However, the information you brought to this group is incorrect. The wages are much different than you stated

It's not incorrect. As the company itself has let this information posted under their job advertisements.
The company or the union should be the one correcting the info if its wrong. Which they didn't do when CBC contacted them.
This indicates the Calm Air was ok with the $34,000 starting salary, which may have been a negotiating tactic.
The CBC also posted the link to the perimeter contract on the article, this is where the CBC took the salaries from.

Its up to the company and ALPA to post correct information, or to request that incorrect information be corrected.

If a company can't get its job ads posted straight it shows disorganized management.

Okay. Sure. Yup. Gotcha. Roger, copy, check.

This isn’t a company posted ad, it’s an “indeed” ad through a third party portal. Go on calm air’s website. There’s actually zero posting for pilot positions.

I’m sure ALPA isn’t using some third party data in their benchmarking for other airlines. Alpa and calm air do correctly post their contracts online, for all to see on the government of Canada website. I’m sure Alpa has all the latest data.

They don’t need to correct fake news. It just makes it worse.

Better yet, call CBC marketplace and get them to investigate.

Might make the 5 o’clock news reel.

[CaptDukeNukem]

In the event you can’t seem to find the careers current opportunities on the calm air web site. Here’s the link.

https://can63.dayforcehcm.com/Candidate ... S/calmair/

[CanadaAir]

You’re right. Working together is good.

However, the information you brought to this group is incorrect. The wages are much different than you stated

It's not incorrect. As the company itself has let this information posted under their job advertisements.
The company or the union should be the one correcting the info if its wrong. Which they didn't do when CBC contacted them.
This indicates the Calm Air was ok with the $34,000 starting salary, which may have been a negotiating tactic.
The CBC also posted the link to the perimeter contract on the article, this is where the CBC took the salaries from.

Its up to the company and ALPA to post correct information, or to request that incorrect information be corrected.

If a company can't get its job ads posted straight it shows disorganized management.

Okay. Sure. Yup. Gotcha. Roger, copy, check.

This isn’t a company posted ad, it’s an “indeed” ad through a third party portal. Go on calm air’s website. There’s actually zero posting for pilot positions.

I’m sure ALPA isn’t using some third party data in their benchmarking for other airlines. Alpa and calm air do correctly post their contracts online, for all to see on the government of Canada website. I’m sure Alpa has all the latest data.

They don’t need to correct fake news. It just makes it worse.

Better yet, call CBC marketplace and get them to investigate.

Might make the 5 o’clock news reel.

Indeed is not glassdoor.
Indeed allows companies to enter their salaries, as in the Calm Air ad above.

If indeed were to have estimated the salary for the Calm Air ad, then Indeed would have marked the salary as a estimate, example

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Calm air might not be hiring at the moment, there have been many ads they have posted this year.
The ads have shown the salary input by the company at $34,000.
Which may be in violation of the current contract.
The company did post this rate, not indeed estimating it.

Even if you don't like CBC. The CBC accurately reported it.

Why do you have an issue with the CBC trying to report on low pilot salaries, and help the public understand that pilots aren't all paid glamourous lifestyles.

The CBC reporter was trying to help pilots, but many on this forum are trashing the reporter.

Stop injuring your own cause.

[VincentJames]

Disregard

[braaap Braap]

It's not incorrect. As the company itself has let this information posted under their job advertisements.
The company or the union should be the one correcting the info if its wrong. Which they didn't do when CBC contacted them.
This indicates the Calm Air was ok with the $34,000 starting salary, which may have been a negotiating tactic.
The CBC also posted the link to the perimeter contract on the article, this is where the CBC took the salaries from.

Its up to the company and ALPA to post correct information, or to request that incorrect information be corrected.

If a company can't get its job ads posted straight it shows disorganized management.

Okay. Sure. Yup. Gotcha. Roger, copy, check.

This isn’t a company posted ad, it’s an “indeed” ad through a third party portal. Go on calm air’s website. There’s actually zero posting for pilot positions.

I’m sure ALPA isn’t using some third party data in their benchmarking for other airlines. Alpa and calm air do correctly post their contracts online, for all to see on the government of Canada website. I’m sure Alpa has all the latest data.

They don’t need to correct fake news. It just makes it worse.

Better yet, call CBC marketplace and get them to investigate.

Might make the 5 o’clock news reel.

Indeed is not glassdoor.
Indeed allows companies to enter their salaries, as in the Calm Air ad above.

If indeed were to have estimated the salary for the Calm Air ad, then Indeed would have marked the salary as a estimate, example


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Calm air might not be hiring at the moment, there have been many ads they have posted this year.
The ads have shown the salary input by the company at $34,000.
Which may be in violation of the current contract.
The company did post this rate, not indeed estimating it.

Even if you don't like CBC. The CBC accurately reported it.

Why do you have an issue with the CBC trying to report on low pilot salaries, and help the public understand that pilots aren't all paid glamourous lifestyles.

The CBC reporter was trying to help pilots, but many on this forum are trashing the reporter.

Stop injuring your own cause.

Dude I dont know why youre so hung up on all this fluff. Who cares what Indeed or some CBC article says. Its not accurate anymore and the internet is full of misinformation.

I was mistaken its 35% over 5 years. The real numbers will show up eventually. Unbelievable that people will continue to shit on groups who are actually doing work at lifting conditions. Calm Air sounds like a great place to work. Beyond the pay raise they have other juicy clauses that make for a great work balance, as long as youre okay with putting up with working up in the artic/getting stuck up there. Plus the relationship between labour and management isnt toxic like so many other places.

[CanadaAir]

Lets move on.

Whether the exact amount is $34,000 or $54,000, both are very low for what pilots are doing.
35% increase over 5 years, might make up for the previous few years of high inflation & a few years ahead.
Keeps pay rates low & constant for inflation.

How is this lifting conditions?

ALPA keeps talking about North American standard contracts.
An ATR pilot paid $50,000 or $60,000 a year isn't the standard rate for 70-80 seat aircraft.


ATR72 FO should start at $120/hour, same rate as the Q400 FO at Horizon if ALPA wants North American standard.

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Rates are American dollars, $90 US $120 Canadian

Pilots shouldn't be paying ALPA union dues if the results are salaries less than a meter reader or garbage truck drivers.




View the rates for ALPA represented Envoy. Flying 50 seat E145, less than ATR 72. E175 similar seats to ATR72.

https://www.envoyair.com/pilot-career-compensation/

If Envoy is the ALPA standard for 70 - 80 seat aircraft, then ALPA should negotiate the same for Calm.

[digits_]

Lets move on.

Whether the exact amount is $34,000 or $54,000, both are very low for what pilots are doing.
35% increase over 5 years, might make up for the previous few years of high inflation & a few years ahead.
Keeps pay rates low & constant for inflation.

How is this lifting conditions?

ALPA keeps talking about North American standard contracts.
An ATR pilot paid $50,000 or $60,000 a year isn't the standard rate for 70-80 seat aircraft.


ATR72 FO should start at $120/hour, same rate as the Q400 FO at Horizon if ALPA wants North American standard.


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Pilots shouldn't be paying ALPA union dues if the results are salaries less than a meter reader or garbage truck drivers.

I guess it depends on how the 35% increase is structured. If it's 25 the first year, and 2% every subsequent year, then it's not a bad starting point. If it's 5% for the first few years, you're still losing money and it's not good. All depends on the details.

[Slats]

The silence and lack of details around what was voted on is not reassuring.

Huge opportunity missed for the pilot industry.

I just picture Manager John Schneider looking at the lineup in the dugout.

Flair. Porter. Sunwing. Calm Air. Keewatin. Pasco. AirSprint. All walked up and batted. Hit singles and fielder choices. Trying to do their ‘part’.

Who’s gonna hit something meaningful and cash the industry in? I think we’re still climaxing but timing and leverage will eventually run out.

Hopefully WJ and AC can get some meaningful gains.

You guys should be infighting less about dumb shit like CBC and Glassdoor and paying more heed to the above. The conditions have never been better for pilots to make serious gains and make up for years of eroded wages and working conditions. But it's going to end at some point, and if we all haven't made big progress before it does, we'll be right back in the bad old days for a long, long time before you know it.

[Tbayer2021]

The silence and lack of details around what was voted on is not reassuring.

Huge opportunity missed for the pilot industry.

I just picture Manager John Schneider looking at the lineup in the dugout.

Flair. Porter. Sunwing. Calm Air. Keewatin. Pasco. AirSprint. All walked up and batted. Hit singles and fielder choices. Trying to do their ‘part’.

Who’s gonna hit something meaningful and cash the industry in? I think we’re still climaxing but timing and leverage will eventually run out.

Hopefully WJ and AC can get some meaningful gains.

You guys should be infighting less about dumb shit like CBC and Glassdoor and paying more heed to the above. The conditions have never been better for pilots to make serious gains and make up for years of eroded wages and working conditions. But it's going to end at some point, and if we all haven't made big progress before it does, we'll be right back in the bad old days for a long, long time before you know it.

Fascinating, isn't it? Shinning example of one of the many reasons pilots are consistently out maneuvered by management. You'll find better attention span in cats.

[futboler14]

I hope the Calm Air pilots ratified gains that reflect the prosperity of the EIF, as they just posted record 1st quarter results.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/exchange ... 00657.html

As a long-term investor of EIF, it's always a delicate balance for me. I for one would not be disappointed if the pilots ratified significant gains. I know firsthand the environment you pilots under the EIF umbrella contend with.

I write EIF a check every month and they reciprocate with the DRIP. I guess I should be happy with my 300% (~13% annualized) return since 2012.. but it pains me as someone who works in the industry as a rising tide lifts all boats.

[propfeather]

Apparently, these are the new hourly rates...

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[digits_]

Are 2 year bonds still in place for CPT and FOs?

[dhc#]

How do these rates compare to the other ATR operators ?

[Notta Simfalt]

A search of negotech shows a contract from 2013 to 2018 as being current, so it looks like it's 2 contracts behind or my puter skills aren't up to it.

[fish4life]

A search of negotech shows a contract from 2013 to 2018 as being current, so it looks like it's 2 contracts behind or my puter skills aren't up to it.

There was another one but negotech can be painfully slow

[funnypilots]

Hello did any one Interview with CALM AIR as FO or Capt
got selected (or)
completed Interview recently and got offer (or )
completed interview waiting for result (or )
waiting for interview call from May last month.

private message me your status or leave a comment thanks.