Did AC stop flying to Havana?

[RoAF-Mig21]

Hey,

As the topic title sais:

Did AC stop flying from YYZ and YUL to Havana? I was looking on the employee travel site to book a flight there, but it's not available. Is this a seasonal thing?

Cheers

[lownslow]

I thought Cuba was verboten for employee travel.

[iflyforpie]

Air Canada Cuba flights are embargoed for MyID.

[Crewbunk]

I don’t think HAV ever resumed following Covid.

It’s a very different passenger make-up to/from HAV than the beach resorts of Cuba, where the passenger must originate from Canada, (with added connections). On the HAV flight, the passenger could (and often did) originate from Cuba.

I’m not sure resident Cubans are cleared for international travel yet.

[MCB]

I don’t think HAV ever resumed following Covid.

It’s a very different passenger make-up to/from HAV than the beach resorts of Cuba, where the passenger must originate from Canada, (with added connections). On the HAV flight, the passenger could (and often did) originate from Cuba.

I’m not sure resident Cubans are cleared for international travel yet.

It did resume, but only for a month or two before being abruptly suspended again this winter.

[Crewbunk]

It did resume, but only for a month or two before being abruptly suspended again this winter.

Good to know. I do recall seeing in the print timetable, once a week using a Rouge 321, just didn’t know if any ever flew.

[RoAF-Mig21]

I thought Cuba was verboten for employee travel.

I had no idea that was not allowed, as long as it doesn't originate to/from the USA. I thought I did see it a while ago (YYZ-HAV). None the less I may be wrong.

It did resume, but only for a month or two before being abruptly suspended again this winter.

Good to know. I do recall seeing in the print timetable, once a week using a Rouge 321, just didn’t know if any ever flew.

So the are no legal restrictions to travel there, as Canadians. I also assume we can do YYZ-MEX-HAV on Aeromexico or YYZ-PTY-HAV on COPA, right? American carriers do offer flights to Havana from MIA and JFK, but I think that's restricted to Cuban-Americans and/or persons that are authorized by the State Department, right?

Basically I just wanted to go to Havana for a few days to have some rum and smoke some cigars on a rooftop patio. Nothing extravagant, like a weeklong all inclusive at a 5 star resort.

[Tbayer2021]

I thought Cuba was verboten for employee travel.

I had no idea that was not allowed, as long as it doesn't originate to/from the USA. I thought I did see it a while ago (YYZ-HAV). None the less I may be wrong.

It did resume, but only for a month or two before being abruptly suspended again this winter.

Good to know. I do recall seeing in the print timetable, once a week using a Rouge 321, just didn’t know if any ever flew.

So the are no legal restrictions to travel there, as Canadians. I also assume we can do YYZ-MEX-HAV on Aeromexico or YYZ-PTY-HAV on COPA, right? American carriers do offer flights to Havana from MIA and JFK, but I think that's restricted to Cuban-Americans and/or persons that are authorized by the State Department, right?

Basically I just wanted to go to Havana for a few days to have some rum and smoke some cigars on a rooftop patio. Nothing extravagant, like a weeklong all inclusive at a 5 star resort.

Or you know, stop giving your money to a dictatorship that kills its people for wanting such luxuries like elections and something to eat other than what they give them through the ration booklet.

[Crewbunk]

I have non-reved to HAV, so I’m curious about “restrictions”. As long as the US isn’t in the PNR, I can’t see any problems.

Namely, one could book (or list) YYZ-HAV-YYZ and ORD-YYZ-ORD but not ORD-YYZ-HAV-YYZ-ORD.

Basically I just wanted to go to Havana for a few days to have some rum and smoke some cigars on a rooftop patio. Nothing extravagant, like a weeklong all inclusive at a 5 star resort.

Havana is a fascinating place, worth the effort to visit. I have stayed in a hotel, or once rented a house and rented a car.

[‘Bob’]

I thought Cuba was verboten for employee travel.

I had no idea that was not allowed, as long as it doesn't originate to/from the USA. I thought I did see it a while ago (YYZ-HAV). None the less I may be wrong.

Good to know. I do recall seeing in the print timetable, once a week using a Rouge 321, just didn’t know if any ever flew.

So the are no legal restrictions to travel there, as Canadians. I also assume we can do YYZ-MEX-HAV on Aeromexico or YYZ-PTY-HAV on COPA, right? American carriers do offer flights to Havana from MIA and JFK, but I think that's restricted to Cuban-Americans and/or persons that are authorized by the State Department, right?

Basically I just wanted to go to Havana for a few days to have some rum and smoke some cigars on a rooftop patio. Nothing extravagant, like a weeklong all inclusive at a 5 star resort.

Or you know, stop giving your money to a dictatorship that kills its people for wanting such luxuries like elections and something to eat other than what they give them through the ration booklet.

And instead… give it to a broken democracy with a corrupt political duopoly who engages in modern day slavery (read the 13th Amendment) with for-profit prisons who’s victims stole less than the wage-theft that’s measured in the hundreds of billions of dollars by corporations who get off scot-free.

I don’t go to Cuba because the food sucks. That’s all.

[Tbayer2021]

I had no idea that was not allowed, as long as it doesn't originate to/from the USA. I thought I did see it a while ago (YYZ-HAV). None the less I may be wrong.




So the are no legal restrictions to travel there, as Canadians. I also assume we can do YYZ-MEX-HAV on Aeromexico or YYZ-PTY-HAV on COPA, right? American carriers do offer flights to Havana from MIA and JFK, but I think that's restricted to Cuban-Americans and/or persons that are authorized by the State Department, right?

Basically I just wanted to go to Havana for a few days to have some rum and smoke some cigars on a rooftop patio. Nothing extravagant, like a weeklong all inclusive at a 5 star resort.

Or you know, stop giving your money to a dictatorship that kills its people for wanting such luxuries like elections and something to eat other than what they give them through the ration booklet.

And instead… give it to a broken democracy with a corrupt political duopoly who engages in modern day slavery (read the 13th Amendment) with for-profit prisons who’s victims stole less than the wage-theft that’s measured in the hundreds of billions of dollars by corporations who get off scot-free.

I don’t go to Cuba because the food sucks. That’s all.

That would absolutely be objectively better. Go drive around Cuba with a sticker on your car that says "@#$! Diaz Canel". See if you make it from the airport to your hotel. Gotta love Canadians thinking they have it anywhere near as bad as your average Cuban. Lol pure comedy.

[rando]

I admire Cuba. Canada should be more like Cuba. They have lots of doctors, it's amazing. Best healthcare system.

[TheStig]

The falls under the “somebody told me” category, but flights to HAV were suspended shortly after the route was relaunched due to the war in Ukraine. Supposedly there were a lot of connections from Asian markets in YYZ that aren’t being operated due to the closure of Russian airspace to Canadian airlines.

[BigQ]

I thought Cuba was verboten for employee travel.

I had no idea that was not allowed, as long as it doesn't originate to/from the USA. I thought I did see it a while ago (YYZ-HAV). None the less I may be wrong.

Good to know. I do recall seeing in the print timetable, once a week using a Rouge 321, just didn’t know if any ever flew.

So the are no legal restrictions to travel there, as Canadians. I also assume we can do YYZ-MEX-HAV on Aeromexico or YYZ-PTY-HAV on COPA, right? American carriers do offer flights to Havana from MIA and JFK, but I think that's restricted to Cuban-Americans and/or persons that are authorized by the State Department, right?

Basically I just wanted to go to Havana for a few days to have some rum and smoke some cigars on a rooftop patio. Nothing extravagant, like a weeklong all inclusive at a 5 star resort.

Or you know, stop giving your money to a dictatorship that kills its people for wanting such luxuries like elections and something to eat other than what they give them through the ration booklet.

You mean like Ukraine?

[RoAF-Mig21]

Or you know, stop giving your money to a dictatorship that kills its people for wanting such luxuries like elections and something to eat other than what they give them through the ration booklet.

Thanks for the advice. I'll think about it.

[RoAF-Mig21]

I have non-reved to HAV, so I’m curious about “restrictions”. As long as the US isn’t in the PNR, I can’t see any problems.

Namely, one could book (or list) YYZ-HAV-YYZ and ORD-YYZ-ORD but not ORD-YYZ-HAV-YYZ-ORD.

Basically I just wanted to go to Havana for a few days to have some rum and smoke some cigars on a rooftop patio. Nothing extravagant, like a weeklong all inclusive at a 5 star resort.

Havana is a fascinating place, worth the effort to visit. I have stayed in a hotel, or once rented a house and rented a car.

I've been to Havana before and loved it, but it was just a day trip from Varadero, where I stayed for a week at an all-inclusive. I will never do that again - all inclusive that is. Those types of vacations are not my thing, but just going "solo" to Havana, staying at a decent hotel and enjoying the Cuban culture would be amazing. I'm not interested in their politics, our politics or anyone elses' politics.

Rum, cigars, patios some amazing Cuban music (something along the lines of "Buena Vista Social Club" comes to mind) should make for a great time.

[RoAF-Mig21]

The falls under the “somebody told me” category, but flights to HAV were suspended shortly after the route was relaunched due to the war in Ukraine. Supposedly there were a lot of connections from Asian markets in YYZ that aren’t being operated due to the closure of Russian airspace to Canadian airlines.

That's interesting. We all know, historically speaking, about the political ties between Havana and Moscow. I would not think that was still relevant in 2023, but I may be wrong. Also as a non-relevant fact (to this discussion) I know Aeroflot was operating flights from SVO to HAV, the long way (North toward Murmansk, North of Norwegian airspace over the Barents / Norwegian Sea then down the Atlantic to Cuba.

Oh well... like I said in a post above. Politics are not my focus here. "A good time" is the focus, and Cuba has plenty of culture, drinks, etc. to offer. I may have to postpone that trip till things around the world settle down, or just go via Latin America.

[NotDirty!]

I believe the route was suspended in January 2022, so before the war in Ukraine. But that might have factored into the decision against restarting the route.
The embargo on staff travel to Cuba only applies to OAL, if I understand correctly.

[Tbayer2021]

I have non-reved to HAV, so I’m curious about “restrictions”. As long as the US isn’t in the PNR, I can’t see any problems.

Namely, one could book (or list) YYZ-HAV-YYZ and ORD-YYZ-ORD but not ORD-YYZ-HAV-YYZ-ORD.

Basically I just wanted to go to Havana for a few days to have some rum and smoke some cigars on a rooftop patio. Nothing extravagant, like a weeklong all inclusive at a 5 star resort.

Havana is a fascinating place, worth the effort to visit. I have stayed in a hotel, or once rented a house and rented a car.

I've been to Havana before and loved it, but it was just a day trip from Varadero, where I stayed for a week at an all-inclusive. I will never do that again - all inclusive that is. Those types of vacations are not my thing, but just going "solo" to Havana, staying at a decent hotel and enjoying the Cuban culture would be amazing. I'm not interested in their politics, our politics or anyone elses' politics.

Rum, cigars, patios some amazing Cuban music (something along the lines of "Buena Vista Social Club" comes to mind) should make for a great time.

Yeah not interested in their politics as long as you get what you want. Who cares if you're directly financing their oppressive regime. I wonder who makes those cigars and rum in Cuba. Lol jokers.

[RoAF-Mig21]

Yeah not interested in their politics as long as you get what you want. Who cares if you're directly financing their oppressive regime. I wonder who makes those cigars and rum in Cuba. Lol jokers.

Let me ask you some questions "oh righteous one":

1. Who makes your sock, t-shirts and your clothes in general? You sure you don't have anything made in Vietnam, Bangladesh or India?
2. Who makes your electronics? Who mined the raw material to make your batteries? Who assembles your smartphone or computer? How many of the objects you own are made in China?
3. Do you drink coffee? Who farmed the beans? Where do you get your avocados from or bananas? You sure it's not from some Latin American country that oppresses their workers?
4. Where do you get your oil from? Who drilled for that in what country? How much of that is from Saudi Arabia, extracted by workers from the Indian subcontinent that work under "less than ideal conditions"?

Look at your every day things you consume and ask yourself "Where does this come from"? Then come to me and try to school me for wanting to go to Cuba to smoke some cigars and drink some rum.

[bradleyscotts]

Hey,

As the topic title sais:

Did AC stop flying from YYZ and YUL to Havana? I was looking on the employee travel site to book a flight there, but it's not available. Is this a seasonal thing?

Cheers

I asked recently and was told it was the lack of Jet A in Havana. The government is prioritizing the high demand tourist airports over Havana. The overnight fee for parking was also mentioned as being quite high.

[albertdesalvo]

Let me ask you some questions "oh righteous one":

As the kids say, pwned.

Every word the truth. But about AC & Havana.... ?

[rookiepilot]

Yeah not interested in their politics as long as you get what you want. Who cares if you're directly financing their oppressive regime. I wonder who makes those cigars and rum in Cuba. Lol jokers.

Let me ask you some questions "oh righteous one":

1. Who makes your sock, t-shirts and your clothes in general? You sure you don't have anything made in Vietnam, Bangladesh or India?
2. Who makes your electronics? Who mined the raw material to make your batteries? Who assembles your smartphone or computer? How many of the objects you own are made in China?
3. Do you drink coffee? Who farmed the beans? Where do you get your avocados from or bananas? You sure it's not from some Latin American country that oppresses their workers?
4. Where do you get your oil from? Who drilled for that in what country? How much of that is from Saudi Arabia, extracted by workers from the Indian subcontinent that work under "less than ideal conditions"?

Look at your every day things you consume and ask yourself "Where does this come from"? Then come to me and try to school me for wanting to go to Cuba to smoke some cigars and drink some rum.

Answer: He couldn’t care less.

He only spreads toxicity on every single thread.