C-172 Crashed in Northern Sask.

Visual Sensations · Post by **Visual Sensations** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 7:52 pm

I heard that Northern Dene smashed up ther 172 in Fond Du Lac. The owners brother did a low buzz job and hit the tail gate of a half ton.Ripped off the one gear leg. I think he put it down on the ice. Anyone else hear or know what happened.

shitdisturber · Post by **shitdisturber** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 8:15 pm

What kind of half ton?

Sulako · Post by **Sulako** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 10:28 pm

I'm glad noone was hurt. That being said, the owner's brother is a complete jackass, and it couldn't happen to a nicer guy. I'm glad he brought it on himself.

//has a few dozen hours on that particular 172 from years ago.

co-joe · Post by **co-joe** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 11:03 pm

I didn't know NDA had a 172. Last time I was in the tropical oasis known as ZFD Boner and I went spin casting for seagulls. I almost caught one with a five of diamonds and a chunk of bread, but the bugger got away when I tried to set the hook. Took my bait too.

Jackass or not, glad the CP's brother's okay. CJ

Beaver Driver · Post by **Beaver Driver** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 11:10 pm

It's not the owners brother who is a jackass, but the owner himself.

pogeypilot · Post by **pogeypilot** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 6:30 am

Before we all start smashing anyone lets just remember that these guys, regardless of what you think of them personally, are the same guys who gave alot of us our starts. I had a great time up North, all things considered, and really enjoyed working for the brothers. Had it not been for bush fever setting in and a little falling out with Mary-Lou Bigcanoe, I bet I'd still be there. I know this particular scenario sounds off the wall but those of us who've worked on Lake Athabasca, and did the usual lake flying, should clearly see that this was just a strike of bad luck and most likely could have happened to any of us. I'm sure you'd agree....hey co-joe?

Anyway... just adding my 2 cents. Cheers.

shitdisturber · Post by **shitdisturber** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 10:10 am

pogey, if you hit a half ton with an airplane in flight, it isn't bad luck; it's bad judgement pure and simple. Somebody was showing off and it bit him in the ass. I know nothing of the company or the owner or his brother, I have no axes to grind with any of em; but the fact remains, he f****d up.

co-joe · Post by **co-joe** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 10:25 am

I do agree pogey, it could have happened to me. In fact it almost did. It wasn't a half ton pickup but rather a set of power lines I didn't see until the last one thousandth of a second. (jumped up at me out of nowhere

) All we know here is that some guy calling himself "borken wing" (WTF?) is saying someone hit a truck with a buck seventy too. I'll wait for the TSB report before I armchair this one. CJ

turbo-prop · Post by **turbo-prop** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 1:55 pm

I can believe he hit the truck. I worked up there and have seen alot of bone head moves made by the brothers. Like doing a tear drop over beaverlodge lake and busting down through the clouds to land when ceiling is close to minimums. I know it ain't the rockies but their are some hills around Uranium City that can jump out and hit you.

corn-shoot · Post by **corn-shoot** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 3:08 pm

pogeypilot wrote:are the same guys who gave alot of us our starts

Yea, if not for them, I wouldn't be in aviation at all. Suuuuuure we should thank them. It's like thanking my cocaine dealer for the substance that makes me paranoid and impotent. THANKS guys!

DA900 · Post by **DA900** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 3:33 pm

shitdisturber wrote:What kind of half ton?

LMAO

pogeypilot · Post by **pogeypilot** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 5:25 pm

corn-shoot wrote: It's like thanking my cocaine dealer for the substance that makes me paranoid and impotent. THANKS guys!

Thanks for sharing your habits with us. Oh, and that user name you have, did that stem from how you get the cocaine?

desksgo · Post by **desksgo** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 6:47 pm

Nope, I merely serve as a transport.

oldtimer · Post by **oldtimer** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 7:50 pm

Airplane/truck-car collisions are not all that rare. Usually as a result of a buzz job gone bad. Even Air Canada (Trans Canada Airline then, ) did it in Lethbridge many moons ago when a Viscount hit a cop car on the highway. Little Red Air hit a pick-up with and Islander Makes a mess. This is one thing that will drive up your insurance. Accidents are caused by carelessness, this is stupidity.

Intentional Left Bank · Tue Apr 20, 2004 10:27 pm

shitdisturber wrote:What kind of half ton?

Half-ton pickup with a box liner.

southernpilot · Post by **southernpilot** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 10:50 am

i heard that the other brother flew a pa31 from key lake to prince albert on one engine, and the one engine, that was running, was spitting out oil. obviously these two brothers that own an airline don't have a clue what safety is. i would never work for this company and i don't recommend anyone else to either

co-joe · Post by **co-joe** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 1:54 pm

Airplane/truck-car collisions are not all that rare

Nor rock band tour buses eh old timer? What band was it? Sabbath? cj

CrimsonSkies · Post by **CrimsonSkies** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 1:54 pm

Working in the North has it's problems, mainly it's the attitude that we bring each day to work. There was once a time that we all would have all stood in line for an opportunity presented by these operators. The experience gained allowed us to move on to different jobs, and hopefully we have taken a bit of knowledge with us. My experience is that these operators have been very fair over the years, and although many of us would not return to that lifestyle, we now have that choice thanks to our former bosses, and the experience we gained. Personally, I think that Northern Dene has provided many opportunities to pilots throughout the years, and without them, we would not be where we are today. As for the accident, its unfortunate, but he got caught. Can anyone say that they have NEVER put themselves in that same situation......I think not. Just remember that when you point your finger......there are 3 more pointing right back to you. I enjoyed working for the brothers, and I hope them all the best. Thanks for the ride !

groo · Post by **groo** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 4:24 pm

na na nahh nah na na nahh nah hey hey hey good bye

Oh and the engine thing, had a cracked case before takeoff, (pax noticed it and pointed it out to the pilot) flew off on a medivac, ran out of oil in flight, shut it down and landed at YKJ (key lake). left it there for 3 weeks (they are a customer of nda) then JB welded the crack (comes in a tube at Canadian tire for about 4 bucks) filled it with oil took off, shut it down in flight and back to PA for the repair.

If Transport dosen't get em, SERM will for leaving crap all over the province.

True though, 2 of the nicest guys you will ever meet.

Visual Sensations · Post by **Visual Sensations** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 6:34 pm

I heard more details today. The buzz job happened between ZFD and YBE. He thought he knew the people in the truck, turns out he didn't. Not sure if they were injured. Heard two different stories, one the nose gear was ripped off , the other says the mains hit the truck. He had his three year old son with him. How smart is that. He then went to YBE for a belly landing. Twisted up the wings on landing. Supposely the cops have recovered the missing gear and have taken his licence. Maybe Transport should pull their OC. and get this company moving in the right direction before they do something stupid again !!

pogeypilot · Post by **pogeypilot** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 8:57 pm

Three year old son??? Shutting down the engine to ferry to get fixed??? Jeeze...it's funny how the broken telephone results come out on the other end. BS Unless you know the facts, and you obviously don't, you shouldn't be so quick to tell the story.

pogeypilot · Post by **pogeypilot** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 9:01 pm

groo wrote: ran out of oil in flight, shut it down and landed at YKJ (key lake).

Run out of oil...would it not shut off on its own?

Beaver Driver · Post by **Beaver Driver** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 9:39 pm

Three year old son???

That one got me wondering too

oldtimer · Post by **oldtimer** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 9:39 pm

Pogeypilot. If you run any engine out of oil it will eventually shut it's self down, sometimes in a less than pretty fashion. If you just left it, maybe the engine will start to seize and slow (below 1100 RPM) till the start locks engage and you cannot feather the damn thing. Now you are in a whole world of hurt. Shut it down when oil pressure drops.
Also heard of China Airlines were in some distant station with a pooched engine in an A340 so the captain got out a seat belt extender and cinched the fan down so it wouldn't turn and loaded up the passengers and flew to Germany on 3 engines. Dumbness does not recognise borders. Also the owner of a Northern Manitoba air line (no name, no pack drill, still operating) attempted a single engine ferry with a Twotter and that was less than pretty. Hurt himself rather badly.

Visual Sensations · Post by **Visual Sensations** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 9:53 pm

All I was saying is if he is willing to risk the life of his own son for a buzz job, just imagine what he is willing to do with someones life he does know or care about.